The Cascade County Narrow Gauge

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On3 Cascade County Narrow Gauge - MRH Issue 9 - Sep/Oct 2010

 

 

 

 

 

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Joe Brugger's picture

Struck speechless

Well, color me puzzled, as people said in the '60s.

Did we (MRH) miss the mark with this layout feature? Not one comment or question in four weeks.

Wish we could have taken all the MRHers along with us to Dave's basement. He's done a great job achieving his vision, and shows off the advantages of O scale narrow gauge.

Rio Grande Dan's picture

You missed a little more than the Mark

I think the main reason nobody commented was because:

#1. Even though Dave has a wonderful layout it was stuck in the bonus section with no click here to comment button anywhere to be found.

#2. of the 7 min of video less than a minute was of the railroad most of the interview was Dave describing how a Mill works and how rock go's through the mill not much of a show of the RR and if your not into precious metal refining it was boring

#3. when this page came up on the forums most people hadn't even read every thing or got to this video and there was a glitch in the download that was sending everybody to the Jim Dias download when you clicked the Dave Clune's download and when it got fixed a couple days later this page was gone from the recent posts page and because of the glitch many people just didn't bother taking the time to reload The interview with Dave.

#4 with most of the staff at a model RR convention the trouble shooting of the magazine was a little slow and as fast as the new posts were hitting the forum  Dave's Video was just lost in the shuffle. I know this because on about the forth day after the magazine came out I reported the glitch and about 24Hrs later it was fixed but the new highlighted in red was also on page two so nobody could see it.

The Video quality was great the little bit of the railroad we saw was super good, there just wasn't enough viewing of the Trains and the scenery and too much focus on a very fine and detailed Mine with too much information about how these mine work. I can say if there had been another 3-5 min on the entire layout you would of had more interest.

Dan

                 Rio Grande Dan

caboose14's picture

Not al All

I enjoyed the article very much and the photos were beautiful Joe. A very high level of craftsmenship went into this layout. While the video was a little heavy on the mining side rather than the train side, I learned some stuff watching it, so it was worthwhile in my opinion.

Kevin Klettke CEO, Washington Northern Railroad wnrr@comcast.net
http://wnrr.net

In some lines of business no

In some lines of business no comments are the signs of happy customers...How do you top a good article? 

It's a very good layout!

joef's picture

Maybe so, but not here

Maybe so, but not here. If no one comments our staff takes that as a sign no one cares and so we're much less likely to do a repeat performance.

So if you want more, tell us so. It's not like it's hard to do!

I feel an editorial coming on ...

Joe Fugate
Publisher, Model Railroad Hobbyist magazine

Joe Fugate's HO Siskiyou Line

Rio Grande Dan's picture

Joe and staff here is where the Article got lost

Joe there were a number of posts about this and most were that the download was corrupt you even posted when is was fixed so everyone that had tried or would have posted hit it here

http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/3345

after that I think most didn't go back or make any comment after that if they did finally watch the video.

Dan

                 Rio Grande Dan

UPWilly's picture

Joe and Staff - my comment

Hi there. Sorry, I should have commented - maybe I was too shy. Much of what Rio Grande Dan said would have been my comment; however, I did enjoy it quite a bit. I was hoping, as Dan mentioned, that we would have seen more of the layout and operation and less of the mining technology, as interesting as it was. What really struck me was the question about sound on the layout - I don't think there was an answer.

Bill

N Scale (1:160), not N Gauge. DC (analog), Stapleton PWM Throttle.

Proto-freelance Southwest U.S. 2nd half 20th Century.

Keep on trackin'

 

 

Geared's picture

I'm Guilty

I'm guilty of not posting a comment. I did read the article and did view the video and enjoyed both very much. It did take me over two weeks to read this issue. Normally I have an issue devoured in a couple of days, but life got in the way this past month and I just never got around to posting comments.

There was a tremendous amount of very interesting content in this last issue and I can only congratulate all of the MRH staff for an outstanding edition. For me the Cascade County Narrow Guage article was the highlight.

Roy

Geared is the way to tight radii and steep grades. Ghost River Rwy. "The Misty Loggers"

http://s39.photobucket.com/albums/e185/Grampy1dad/Ghost%20River/

Rio Grande Dan's picture

He did the run around the question and srugged it off then

yes he said he had sound in only one Structure. That structure was the mill which he never said what kind of sound he had in the mill & he never demonstrated it he just gave the mechanical report on how a mill works. That's when I got board as I kept waiting to hear the sound which never came just Dave and his little stick pointer and then after the 5 minutes of discription there was 40 seconds of trains and then credits but he never answered the sound question. I felt the man was an excelent modeler but he was so proud of what he had build he never really answered anything Charlie asked.

Dan

                 Rio Grande Dan

UPWilly's picture

About the font ...

The font for the title was a really good fit - it seemed to echo the character of the layout and the era. Good choice (Joe Brugger's or Charlie Comstock's choice ?).

 

Bill

N Scale (1:160), not N Gauge. DC (analog), Stapleton PWM Throttle.

Proto-freelance Southwest U.S. 2nd half 20th Century.

Keep on trackin'

 

 

I think the lesson here is to differentiate between what should

go in a video, and what should go in a side bar.  The description of the mining and stamp mill operation would be better in a side bar.  The video should focus on the sights and sounds of the layout.

Rio Grande Dan's picture

Yes Russ That's exactally right

With the statement of A video about a Narrow Gauge railroad in the Cascades. That's what it should have been centered on. then a part II a second video on Scratch building on the Cascade Narrow Gauge may have been taken more in step and received the comments the staff was looking for

                 Rio Grande Dan

Joe Brugger's picture

Thanks, guys

The constructive feedback is helpful. Each model railroad has its own secrets and it's up to us to reveal them. It helps a great deal to know what people look for in an article.

bear creek's picture

Dan (et al), I'm sorry about

Dan (et al), I'm sorry about the video not meeting expectations. We (I actually) had some technical problems that made showing all the trains runing around through Dave's superb scenery non-feasible.  The sidebar for the mining stuff would have required an absolutely monstrous sidebar. Please don't lay the blame for the video in this article at Dave's feet - the problems are mine.

 

Best regards,

Charlie Comstock

 Contributing Editor, Model Railroad Hobbyist magazine

When you come across such a detailed model as that

stamp mill on the Cascade Northern, it might make for a construction article in another issue. 

Mountaingoatgreg's picture

Great Layout...Great Guy

As someone who has had the opportunity to operate this layout I want to say thanks to MRH for such great coverage of this railroad. I think my faavorite thing about this layout is the level of detail every scene has. It is so well done you don't really notice itas it fits so well together you minds eye just thinks it should be there. Once you stop yourself and attempt to absorb the details of the layout you are blown away. Almost every building has a fully detailed interior, the scenery blends so well its hard to remeber its a model, the transistions between scenes are very fluid making tha layout seem a lot larger then is it. As you stare at the layout the you keep finding more and more detail; the rail sitting in the storage area has holes drilled in it, their are bullet holes in the switchstands and the amout of NBW on this layour boggles the mind. Thank you again to the MRH staff for producing an article on this outstanding railroad.

Be Wise Beware Be Safe

"Mountain Goat" Greg

Click the banner to see more on the SP&S Oregon Trunk

 

Rio Grande Dan's picture

Charlie there is no need at

Charlie there is no need at all for an apology from you or Dave. If I had built that Mill I would have invited every magazine that had anything to do with model railroading at my house and be bragging up a storm. Your video was beautiful The Black and white at the beginning and the great title. I just responded to "Joe Brugger" seeming a little bent because nobody commented. But for the first time there was a glitch in the download and actually a number of us did watch the Video and a few tried but it sent them to The video Jim did the month before we didn't comment on the main page because there was no main page at the time. I don't remember who was concerned about issue #9 and started the thread that he was unable to down load Dave's Video. I saw it and didn't know what the problem was because it had played perfect for me and I still have that copy. I then tried the link again and if you clicked on it a little far to the side it activated video Jim had the month before so I hit the problem button to inform MRH and told him I had. After that a hand full of people chimed in and then Joe did saying everything was fixed

Now everybody knows that not every Movie in Hollywood wins the Oscar. This one didn't win but it wasn't that bad I just didn't understand why he avoided showing off the sound decoder and yet he explained every thing else.

Anyway 3 weeks later Joe Brugger made the comment that nobody posted all month (He needs to read every Thread like I do) and did MRH miss the mark and he wished we had all been there. Well we did comment and all before the comment page was up. That's why I made my first comment and why I said yes it missed the mark.

If we the peanut Gallery don't give you criticism how will you know when something is broken. It wasn't anybody fault just a glitch and we had no idea you had problems with the video or the camera. Believe me, I know about Camera problems after dropping & kicking mine across the parking lot into a frozen 14 inch deep Puddle of Ice cold muddy water It was only a $500.00 Digital Camera & it broke the wide angle lens too, we don't talk about cameras at my house.

Charlie you do great work with the videos and the interviews just go slap Joe Brugger on the noise for gripping at us.

It's all his fault anyway

Dan

                 Rio Grande Dan

bear creek's picture

Joe Brugger's nose...

Dan, there's no way I'm gona slap the nose of the guy who paints my locos... Besides, as Horace Fithers sez, "Those who go slapping noses get their hands covered with boogers."

Charlie

 Contributing Editor, Model Railroad Hobbyist magazine

Rio Grande Dan's picture

Well Charlie I Guess

It's Just Snot a problem 

Dan

                 Rio Grande Dan

Glad to see Narrow Gauge in MRH

As a narrow gauger I thought the Cascade County article was the best I've seen so far in MRH. Beautiful pictures of a fantastic layout. I enjoyed the video too but now understand why more of the layout wasn't shown due to video recording problems.I enjoy the layout articles (of all scales and gauges) the most and happy to see unfinished layouts "in-progress" to see what others are doing in the "real" world.

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