New Layout

David Calhoun's picture

Next month the old layout will start to come down and the proposed new, continuous running one will start to take shape. I have attached a diagram (first time working with this program so it is a bit rough) for your comments. The current point-to-point had a number of flaws in its operation and design. So, with the "acquisition" of some new space from my wife, who is being more than gracious since I agreed that a furnace, washer and dryer are essential, I now have a larger area. The new size is 12' x 5' x 30" deep around two support poles.

The upper section is a modified plan of "Federal Street" taken from Model Railroader and the lower is the familiar "Third Street Industrial Area" also modified with a port to the left and a connection to the upper yard complex to the right. I plan to add a small stream on the left side past the crossover.

I have changed my layout to Code 83 only (the need for bullet proof track became evident operating the old railroad) and I plan to lower the old table height to something more reasonable (suggestions, please, as most switches are ground throws). The continuous running and design, I feel, will allow me to operate by myself or accommodate up to 4 other operators.

Since the open space between the poles (not shown in the middle of the drawing) will allow access approximately 3 feet wide, I'm looking for some advice on the height of the backdrop and choice of materials around the four sides. Note that I am planning for a master control panel in the lower right hand corner which is the closest location to power (run to the right next to my workbench and programming track using a heavy duty extension cord).

My only concern is that the Third street Industrial does not allow for a runaround to effectively switch cars from a local freight - suggestions? 

It will probably take me till September to make the changes and be ready for scenery, but smooth running is my priority. Hopefully, I can save a good bit of what is on the current layout and recycle items to save money. Otherwise, I'm prepared to do what it takes to have a well run railroad.

 

 

 

 

 

Comments

No runarounds needed

I can't see exactly where your 3rd street industrial area is but most prototype railroads avoid runarounds if at all possible. I have a point to point switching layout and I don't use runarounds. I handle the trailing point switches on the way out and on the way back handle the trailing point switches that were facing point switches when I was heading out. Once I turnaround they are now trailing point and I don't need to run around the train. Just my 2 cents.

John

COO, Johnstown & Maryville RR

 

hysantafe's picture

Plan

David:

I suggest that you draw this plan with either Xtrkcad or SCARM (both free) to get a better idea of how your plan will really work . I assume this is N scale since you only have 5' of width to work with. With the double crossover on the left and bridges on the right, you will have extremely sharp radius curves.

Howard

 

Cadmaster's picture

Grades and scale

Looking at your design I see one thing that jumps right out at me. The exit from the main line in the bottom right goes across a crossing. In my opinion the grade from the crossing down to get the clearance to go back under the main line is going to be way too high.
I would suggest removing this exit from the main line and then there. Would be a "branch line" running from federal st. to 3rd st.
The other thing and this is my opinion of what I like to run on is that the two track main line without any staging or destination would bore me to tears in a week. Do you have any potential space that can be used as staging. With the right backdrops, or well placed buildings even the 5ft. wide side could offer some change in power and rolling stock.
just my opinion....

Neil.

Diamond River Valley Railway Company

www.dixierail.com

Cadmaster's picture

HO

You bring up a great point. Looking at it the first time it looked like an n scale plan but after re reading David plans code 83 s rail so that means HO scale. Like Howard said the first thing you should do is really get a copy of a software design program or if you don't want to go that route a piece of graph paper. The design should be scaled out properly if you want it to be a success.

Neil.

Diamond River Valley Railway Company

www.dixierail.com

Matt Forcum's picture

Agree on the Grade

I agree with Cadmaster on the Grade.  It appears to be pretty steep in that section. I'm not sure how much operational intrest it adds to have the mainline exit at that point anyway. freeing that up might add some space for another industry on the branch.

You might consider longer sidings as well, otherwise, I think it's a good start!  I like how the branch runs below the main on the right.  That should look very dramatic when completed.

David Calhoun's picture

Clarifications

All great comments. I need to be more clear. 1) The plan is HO and drawn with SCARM but it is my first time using it and, as stated, a bit rough. 2) the over all size of the layout is 5' long on the ends and 30 " wide and the sides are 12' long and 30" wide. Essentially a large rectangle with a large rectangle inside. 3) Both track plans copied are 10' long (which should fit on the long sides) and 2' wide which gives me an extra 6" of depth. 4) I agree that an adjustment in terrain could give me "underneath" staging tracks. 5) Hopefully a 10' plan on a 12' run would allow for more gentle curves.

Once I get the hang of the drawing program, I believe I can clean up the drawing and modify it to include staging. I want this to be right so your comments are much appreciated, I need to check the Industrial plan again to see what the gradient is. Is 3" a correct height for a train to pass under a bridge?

Chief Operating Officer

The Greater Nickel Plate

Cadmaster's picture

Actual Size

David, This is the actual size of Federal Street that I copied from an image taken off line. the Red box is your 12' x 5' space (table top) As you can see this will be hard to fit into this space in HO scale. The only 3rd Street Track plan I could find did not have dimensions so I did not attempt to do that. 

the over all size of the layout is 5' long on the ends and 30 " wide and the sides are 12' long and 30" wide. Essentially a large rectangle with a large rectangle inside.

Also the dimensions you are giving sort of don't add up to the rectangle inside. 30" + 30" = 60" = 5'

Neil.

Diamond River Valley Railway Company

www.dixierail.com


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