gopernoper

I would like to open this post with a sort of disclaimer:

I understand that there are many other places to buy and sell trains. I know about eBay and Craigslist and everywhere in between. I'm asking this to see what the general consensus is on this forum regarding but and sell, because almost all of us are experienced modelers, transactions could be made better. I feel like purchasing from one of MRH's members would be a safer transaction, because they know what they're doing.

okay, disclaimer over. 

My question is, do you think that this forum should have an area for buy and sell for members?

-William

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trainman6446

I would like to see something

I would like to see something like that, I don't think Joe and company would have the time though. 

Tim S. in Iowa

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Nick Santo amsnick

I've been wondering about short term classifieds too.

Hi Joe,

Things are great here as is.  No complaints.

I have however wondered about a classified section too.  It won't be long before I will be facing disbursing my father-in-law's railroad.  I also have some cars and parts that are taking up valuable space.

I wonder about the down sides.

Nick

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Dave K skiloff

My opinion

No, not here.  Anyone who has moderated a buy and sell thing knows how much work it can be.  What happens when someone pays someone and doesn't receive what was paid for?  Joe and Co. will be dragged into the ensuing mess, and it happens enough to make it a real pain.  

I think there are plenty of places to buy and sell online without adding yet another one.

Dave
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herronp

If a Buy, Sell, Trade thread appeared............

.............once a week like the "Weekly Photo Fun" thread, I don't see how that would take any of Joe's time.  The caveat would be any post would have to include your contact e-mail as there is no PM feature and the contact feature is unreliable.  All future contact with buyer and seller is done off forum.  The thread would only be a notice of what you want to buy or sell..........

Peter

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Ken Glover kfglover

Not here

I have to agree with Dave (skiloff). There are enough other venues for buying and selling. I have used eBay and Craigslist successfully. MRH doesn't need to add the support/admin/arbitration to the work load. I want to see them continue to provide the great magazine and great forum, not compete with others who are doing the buy/sell thing well and have for a long time.

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George Sinos gsinos

No

There are plenty of places for buying and selling trains. No need to clutter this site with that distraction. gs

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Virginian and Lake Erie

They already have one it is

They already have one it is called the advertiser section. You just buy an ad and set up a page to link to it. Your ad might be estate sale of model railroad equipment, click the add and it goes to your web site. It would not work for the occasional item but would be more applicable to a "collection" of items.

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Ironrooster

No vetting of members

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almost all of us are experienced modelers, transactions could be made better. I feel like purchasing from one of MRH's members would be a safer transaction, because they know what they're doing.

It's a nice thought, but the truth is that you don't really know.  And once money is involved you'll get a lot more "member" showing up.

Paul

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pschmidt700

No

MRH is doing just fine running a media business. Leave the hassles of sales and disputes to eBay et al.
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gopernoper

Peter made a really good

Peter made a really good point, I feel like it would be harmless to do something like that.

example (real life)

i am currently looking to buy a rivarossi FEF-3

i have several options.

1: buy it on eBay from joe blow, who picked it at an estate sale, knows nothing about trains, and has no way to test it. I would also end up paying a ridiculous price for it, due to some other people bidding ridiculous amounts, and way too high buy it now prices. 

2: wait for Craigslist. I would likely never find one there.

3: trainz and other similar stores that have way too much to deal with, and cannot devote any time to an item or the customer. 

The only exception is that there are some serious modelers on eBay and will sell, but their items are again, bid up to astronomical prices.

If there was a location on this site for classifieds, I would post a notice of looking to buy and my price range, along with an email. It would then be taken off of the site so moderators don't have to worry. I get one from an experienced modeler for a decent price.

-William

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rickwade

NO

I don't think it's a good idea to have the buy / sell as part of this site.

Rick

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dwtrains

ANOTHER NO

NO and again NO.

You can have all the caveats and disclaimers in the world. That any and all transactions are soley and strickly between the seller and buyer and that MRH is not involved in any way other than to provide a spot for a posting.

BUT!

All you need is one unhappy seller or buyer with an unresolved problem, then mix in one slick lawyer who will drag MRH down the litigation blackhold because they provided the posting and thus are culpable.

That may seem unrealistic and far fetched to many. But that is what our society has become for the fast track to riches at some poor innocents expense, simply by association.

NO and again NO

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B-dubs

Groups?

I would tend to agree that an "official" buy/sell/trade forum would be too time/resource heavy given the fairly limited staff, but maybe the (under construction?) MRH groups feature would be an appropriate venue? That would put the onus on a user to create and then moderate the group, but it doesn't really solve any of the other problems presented. Maybe not, but it was just a thought that came up since there are a few Facebook groups for model train buy/sell/trading that I've used successfully a couple times. 

-Brad

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Driline

Yes

I belong to several photography forums and both have classified sections to purchase lenses and cameras from other members. We use PayPal so if there is a dispute, PayPal sorts it out. Not the owner of the forum. Feedback is generated by both parties within the system and by and large it works out pretty well. I've bought thousands and sold thousands with nary a problem. 

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RSeiler

Yes

I frequent several forums related to other topics, and they all have buy/sell/trade forums that work quite well. I think it would be a nice addition. I've spent thousands of dollars through those exchanges with nary an issue. 

Randy

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ctxmf74

It's all about liquidity

Ebay has thousands of items listed at anyone time so sellers get the best price and buyers get the best selection. Participants are vetted, transactions monitored, and backed by ebay. I can't see MRH wanting to get involved in all that. If we want to buy and sell among ourselves there's nothing stopping us now but getting MRH involved would make it a business venture needing more oversight.............DaveB 

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Greg Williams GregW66

I think the overall consensus is no...

But even if we all said yes, I doubt Joe would go for it. The first time there is a dispute, someone would look to Joe to resolve it because it happened on HIS site. I don't think he wants or needs that hassle. Of course, I don't or can't speak for Joe, just making assumptions. You can say use PayPal all you want but people often subvert the protection it affords by using Friends and Family to save a few percent.

That said, I've been buying used stuff online since 1998, starting with eBay (which got me back into trains) and now I use a variety of online forums for train stuff. I've never been abused, save for once but the seller eventually shipped product and that wasn't even an individual but a business with some poor business practices. I've been accused of things as a seller, but when you don't pay, I allow the next bidder in line to buy. In short, for all the transactions I've done, I've been very satisfied. Proof that MOST people are reasonable. However, it does happen and I see it very often on the Facebook groups.

As mentioned, there are plenty of places to buy used stuff, and if you look to the specialized forums, you can find buy and sell sections there. I am thinking in particular one of the craftsman kit forums.  

Greg Williams
Superintendent - Eastern Canada Division - NMRA
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joef

Buying / selling on the MRH site

As folks have said, there is already a way to buy / sell on the MRH site: become an advertiser.

Remember, the way MRH makes money is by connecting those with hobby goods/services to sell to those who want to buy. That means "classified" ads on here could not be free.

The staff has discussed this idea several times and the take-away is always the same:

  1. We would have to charge more than most modelers would be willing to pay to make it worth it
  2. If we priced it low enough to be attractive to modelers, then it becomes a big time sink dealing with "issues"
  3. If we priced it free (like Craig's list), now there is a way for anybody to sell to our audience for nothing -- how long will it be before advertisers find this loophole?

Long story short, the concept undermines our whole "make our money through connecting buyers with sellers" philosophy. So the answer always comes up NO.

And for selling to be of benefit to the seller, a larger audience is always better. You can't do much better than eBay when it comes to audience size. About 10% of our readership frequents these forums, so you're looking at some 8,000 or so for your "selling audience".


I will say this -- we offer 50% off on ads to non-profits. I'll extend the same offer to modelers - text ad: $19 one-time magazine placement. That's the best we can do. It will only be worth it when you have lots of stuff to sell, and the ad would go in the marketplace for one issue. One magazine ad will be very hit-or-miss -- if you want really good visibility, then you should plan on three months worth of ads, and a 3x text ad at 50% off will be: $51.

P.S. With the new MRH Groups site, however, we're only loosely affiliated with any groups that care to set up over there, so if anyone wanted to start a "Yard sale" group, then that's a way. But realize, the audience size would only be how many members you could recruit. The groups do not have automatic access to the audience on this site, so you'll be starting from scratch.

Once you sign up on the MRH groups site, you can create a new "Yard sale" subgroup if you want - you become the owner and it will be your job to promote it and drum up members, just like for a new Yahoo Group. That said, we can move existing Yahoo Groups over to the MRH groups site, if they're interested. We are fine with owners of an MRH groups site subgroup promoting it on here, however!

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JerryC

No one mentioned The New HOswap...

There's a very active existing Yahoo Group titled The New HOswap group. I rarely buy anything on there, but the prices seem to be much more reasonable than eBay. When Yahoo goes down the tubes, you can convince the group owner to move over to MRH Groups.

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Warflight

I have to second that...

(second what? what's he talking about?)

I have to agree that maybe, if someone is liquidating a model railroad estate, it wouldn't be a bad idea to get an ad in the magazine itself. Advertising in MRH isn't that expensive, gets you to a target audience or train enthusiasts and hobbyists, plus, how cool is it to say "Yeah... I'm that guy from the MRH ad!"

Plus, you will reach FAR more people in the magazine than you will with just the forums. Remember, these forums are just the tip of the iceberg, compared to how many people actually read the magazine!

Just make an ad that people will want to click on!

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gopernoper

I was actually looking to

I was actually looking to buy, but whatever. I will look elsewhere. Just thought I'd ask.

-William

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joef

There is a way to buy

Quote:

I was actually looking to buy, but whatever. I will look elsewhere. Just thought I'd ask.

There is a way to buy ... get an ad in the magazine and reach 10 times the number of folks on this forum.

What does this not provide you that you were looking for? Price too high? Not interactive enough? What?

Joe Fugate​
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Warflight

Age and finances...

From his other post, (http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/30892) he said he's a teenager, getting into model railroading, on a tight budget.


I can see where he's coming from! I'm all for helping him out where I can!

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herronp

@Gopernoper..............

.........it seems we are in the minority and with the new MRH groups, which I was not aware of, we should be able do it through there.  I have sold a number of items through the O scale yard sale Yahoo Group but those sites have technical issues.  I cannot get in using Firefox and have to use Chrome. 

Peter

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