rickwade

** UPDATE - 2-22-17 Hoovertown street lighting almost done (Page 4 on this thread) To access click HERE

** UPDATE - 1-24-17 Hoovertown Park Restroom (Page 3 on this thread).  To access click HERE

** UPDATE - 1-10-17 Hoovertown street lighting (Page 3 on this thread).  To access click HERE.

** UPDATE 1-8-17 Hoovertown -  working on the plaza (Page 2 on this thread).  To access click HERE.

As I continue my NBF project (No Blue Foam) I have Hoovertown staring me straight in the eye with blue foam. Something has to be done!   Just like before I will assemble the town off of the layout on my workbench where I can comfortably work on it.  Once it is complete I'll install the entire town by simply taking the entire town and place it on the layout.

I thought long and hard about what to use as a substrate.  It should be strong, light, easy to work, and cheap. When I say easy to work with I'll be punching holes for wiring and cutting the substrate to do the final fit.  My 1/2" foam is too flimsy, plywood is too heavy / difficult to drill / cut, and the commercially available solutions are too expensive.

I had an idea - I'll use corrugated plastic sheets just like they use in those signs that vendors illegally place in front of my neighborhood!  I figured that if I laminate them with the "grain" alternating directions that I'll have a strong, light, and cheap (free) solution!

Here's one of the offending signs (with the printing on the opposite side to respect the vendor's privacy).  These signs come in a number of sizes and show up on a regular basis to be collected.

 

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This is my first test with a four layer sandwich using yellow glue to bind them together.  If yellow glue doesn't work I will try other glues including spray adhesive and contact cement.  I did try styrene cement first but these signs aren't made of styrene.  When I laminate the sheets for final size I'll stagger seams between sheets to insure strength.

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Once the glue dries I'll post the results.  Stay turned!

 

Rick

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RandallG

Interesting idea Rick. How

Interesting idea Rick. How big of an area is your Hoovertown ? Maybe a 1/2" sheet of gator board, or just two sheets of regular foam board would work. I believe their size is 20"x30". Is that big enough? How big of an area do you need?  I am looking at doing something similar for my layout, to build the town at the bench.

Randy

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rickwade

Randy, it's hard to measure my area

However, I'd say that it's roughly 3ft by 20".  I looked at Gatorboard and other simular products; however, the shipping costs were expensive.  I appreciate your input.

Rick

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Brent Ciccone Brentglen

Recycling!

Great idea for recycling! You could also try cutting one sign into 2" strips and use that to build a grid work support. Might make it too thick though. Might have to use contact cement or a glue called "Goop" to stick these together.

You don't need much strength, buildings don't weigh much.

Brent Ciccone

Calgary

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RandallG

I looked at Gatorboard and

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I looked at Gatorboard and other simular products; however, the shipping costs were expensive

But I thought gator board came from .. Well, Florida. 

Sorry, I couldn't resist..

Randy

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rickwade

Randy - LOL!

Yes, we do have a lot of gators here in Florida, and with the flat landscape it's easy to get bored, but unfortunately they don't make Gatorbored.....I mean Gatorboard here!

Rick

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Mark Nieting

Gator

Good art supply stores carry Gatorboard.

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rickwade

Mark - thanks!

That's a good thing to know.

Rick

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rickwade

Just did a web search on Gatorfoam

For the size I need (32" x 40") it would be $31.00 per sheet if I buy a minimum of three sheets.  I did find a place where I could get it for $37.00 per sheet, which is much higher than the $0.00 per sheet that my homemade substrate will be.  I'm sticking with my homemade solution!

Rick

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rickwade

Update - Yellow / White glue doesn't work well

After letting the yellow glue set for six hours I tried separating the layers of corrugated plastic and found that they came apart a little too easy.  I also saw that only the glue around the edges set and the glue in the center was still wet.  I've heard of others that used white glue to glue pieces of foam together and even after years some of the glue was still wet.  It seems that non-porous materials don't allow for the evaporation and full cure of white and yellow glues.

My next experiment tomorrow will be to try 3M 77 spray adhesive which I know that will give instant adhesion.  I'll be interested to see how strong the bond is by trying to pull the layers apart.  The bond doesn't have to be indestructible, but strong enough.

More later.........

Rick

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trailguy

Consider 3M 90

as it is considered "high strength". And as you are probably already aware - spray both surfaces to get a contact cement type bond.   The link below is a good chart for various 3M spray applications. Hope this helps.

http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/pdfImages/0f/0f2fddb1-49a6-4303-9329-f70adaa61c06.pdf

Rich in CO

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ctxmf74

Gluing them together

You might try construction adhesive( that comes in caulking gun tubes) or floor tile cement in a can. The tile cement works better with a bit of open time to help it start setting before you stick the pieces together....DaveB

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David Husman dave1905

Plywood

Have you considered 1/4' plywood with a waffle/egg crate construction?  Very light, strong and easy to find materials.

I built a sectional staging yard, 2 yard sections, 15" x 66" , with 1/4" plywood.  I put a 1/2 x 3/4 strip of pine on the edges for stiffness and as joint reinforcements.  I can pick up either section with one hand.

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Just another Scale Modeler Ron Pare

I' don't know if the wood

I' don't know if the wood glue would work well. After years and years of struggling with adhesion I suggest ...

Two sided tape

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rickwade

3M spray adhesive it is!

My test with 3M spray adhesive was successful in that it is very strong and of course fast setting.  Thanks to all for your suggestions!  I'm in the process of fabricating the sandwich substrate and have completed two layers (out of three); however, I ran out of signs!  I'll have to wait until a couple more appear in our subdivision.

Rick

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Paul Jacobsen

Go board for substrate?

I have been toying with a similar idea, and am considering using 1/2" "go board" which is a tile backer board, cuts easily with a razor, is very rigid, and weigh only 7.5 lbs for 3/5 foot board.  Found it at menards. 

Wonder if anyone else has tried this?  I loved it for my bathroom tile project!

thanks

 

paul

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ShannonN

Using Corflute (Your corrugated sheets)

I've been using this for months  as I have friends in Real Estate and get the old auction signs or buy it at 12 dollar AUD for an 8' x 4' sheet  3 mm thick. I don't waste time by trying to make it thick I glue it to 2 inch foam that I also get free,  with Liquid Nails  works well doesn't stay wet  separate   etc.

Shanny

 

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Metrolink

Sintra® PVC sheet:

I bought some Sintra PVC sheet to heat-form into rolling hills, but it should also make a great substrate for mounting structures. Find it locally at a sign supplier (not a sign shop). I think I paid about $22 for a 4' x 8' x 3mm sheet of black Sintra. It's rigid yet somewhat flexible. Excellent for facias, too.

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rickwade

** UPDATE 1-8-17 Hoovertown working on the plaza

I used the existing blue foam cutout to transfer the pattern to the sign material.

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I made two layers from the sign material and glued them together with the corrugation running at a right angle using the 3M spray adhesive.

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I spayed the substrate assembly with gray auto primer and used some weathering powders to vary the color.

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With Hoovertown in the corner it limits the way the buildings can laid out to allow for optimal viewing.  The Mrs. suggested the "L" layout and having a plaza / park in the front.  I used sidewalks by Blair Line(r) painted concrete gray.  The walks within the grass are cobblestone textured plastic sheets painted to represent ....well....stones.

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The smaller circle will have a fountain.  The larger circle will contain a bandstand.  Also in the area will be hedges, bushes, trees, flowers, picnic tables, a bathroom, a playground and other details.  I'll be using Woodland Scenics(tm) new plug style lighting for street lamps and structure lights.

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michaelrose55

Not bad, not bad at all!

Not bad, not bad at all!

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rickwade

Thanks, Michael!

I'm hoping to complete this in the next few months (grin).

Rick

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rickwade

** UPDATE - 1-10-17 Hoovertown street lighting

I've decided to use Woodland Scenics Just Plug(r) lighting for Hoovertown.  Yes, I know that lighting can be done much easier using components; however, I'm more interested in ease of installation than cost for this.

For lighting along the buildings I'm using the single Lamp Post JP5633 units.  All three lamps can be connected together with the included connector and plugged into a single port on the controller.

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Here's a view of a lamp mounted on the sidewalk.  I believe that these lamps are among some of the better looking units available.

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Here's a shot of four of the lamps powered on.  I REALLY like the fact that the brightness can easily be adjusted.

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This is another view from other angle.

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These were extremely easy to install and connect.  I'll be adding more lights along the other side along with lighting in the plaza / park area.

Rick

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Cadmaster

Toooooo Bright. Use a

Toooooo Bright. Use a resistor on those Rick. Go out at night and take a picture of a downtown street and I think you will agree. The one on the right I am guessing is the closest to the power supply also?

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hysantafe

Too Bright

Neil.  The Just Plug system is a plug and play system.  No resisters required.  Each plug on the Light Hub has a

rheostat to control brightness, Rick is still working on installing the lamps and I am sure will adjust them when

he installs the town on the layout.

Howard

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rickwade

What Howard said.....

I'll adjust the brightness once everything is installed (including building lights).

Rick

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