Pull up a couch and tell us

Pull up a couch and tell us all about it. You still have 40 minutes of your session remaining.

Normal to me

I read nothing that you say that is not normal. MAYBE A group discount ...

TomO

LOL! I knew I could count on

LOL! I knew I could count on this group to be enabler's!

I'm out of time for tonight, gotta' head off to bed (up and at 'em at 5:30 AM to go play 1:1 trains). I hope to return to my thread tomorrow night and expound a bit. Perhaps could post some pictures of my old steam stuff.

However, the idea is very do-able (it would be a small switching layout)... just that it's tough enough to get one layout to the operable stage, much less two.

Andre

"So... perhaps sound logic

     I'd just keep the rolling stock and see if I eventually build the KC HO layout or decide to go with TOC.  Since it's paid for long ago and doesn't take up too much room no harm in holding onto it for a few more years. I think once a layout is under way the choice will be more clear. There's nothing wrong with some indecision as long as you are still having fun, sorta like a sports fan who likes all sports instead of limiting their interests to one. I'm building an S scale layout and a TT scale layout but still have my HO and N rolling stock.The only thing I've sold over the years was my O scale stock just because it was too big to fit into any space I want to maintain......DaveB

Granted I've only had one cup

Granted I've only had one cup of coffee this morning but what is TOC19?

Turn of the nineteenth

Turn of the nineteenth century?

Go see Lucy, she only charges

Go see Lucy,

she only charges .05 cents

TOC19

I've never seen it put that way, but I assumed as Rob, the turn of the 19th century. Older than my interests, but at least its not "transition era"!  I kid, I kid. Calm down you guys that can't decide between steam and diesel.  

Randy

Modeling Muse

Hi Iaming,

We've all started on that "White Whale" project.  It was the wrong scale, era, roadname, but we just couldn't let go of it.

Have some fun, embrace your creative side and do a project that's "not me" once in a while.

Finishing it will give you a greater appreciation for your preferred scale.

A railroad museum perhaps?

When I want to justify out of era, or seriously out of prototype, I just remember that the Oregon Rail Heritage Foundation ( http://www.orhf.org) and the Pacific Northwest Chapter of the National Railway Historical Society ( https://www.pnwc-nrhs.org) are nearby and figure I can use them to justify just about anything that might show up on my railroad. 

Hi All!  Some amusing

Hi All!  Some amusing input... all of it good! Thanks.

Okay... IF you're a very determined reader... and IF you're up for some "Dream n' Design"... then pull up a chair an' have yerself a read.

Some replies...

Yes: TOC19 = Turn Of (the 19th) Century

Rob: Only 40 minutes left? Boy, time flies when 'yer havin' fun.

TomO: So I'm NORMAL? Hm... the wife doesn't think so.

DaveB: Well, I did briefly consider that, however, the scope of the upcoming KC Lines is far past what I could handle doing a dual era. There would be a lot more TOC19 equipment needed. As it is, I almost have enough equipment to cover a small TOC19 layout, though much of it unfinished. (i.e. Needs finished and paint/decals/weathered, or simply paint/decals/weathered, or simply weathered.)

redP: Darn. Lucy wasn't in.

Bruce: Thanks for the encouraging input. Yes, my "givens n' druthers" for a TOC19 based layout are TOTALLY different than my "givens n' druthers" for my 1960s era KC Lines layout. The KC Lines is based more on prototype, the TOC19 would be total concoction and much more creative.

Now, as for my idea on how to do this IF I decide to do it:

I'm currently sitting at the computer here in my "Computer/Hobby" room. This room is only about 12' 9" x 9'6" plus a 9' 6" x 2' closet. At this point, there exists "around the walls" table top bench work complete with homasote, and blue sky w/clouds backdrop. This was going to accommodate the "first" KC Lines idea. Long story short, the KC Lines concept outgrew this room, and the new out building is the result. (Still needs the interior finished when the contractor can get to me.) This leaves this current bench work in this small room unused. I was going to totally dismantle the existing bench work, and reclaim the room for nothing but computer use, bookshelves, and a hobby workbench. (It is currently doing this and more, including storage/etc. It's a crowded mess.)

Now with this TOC19 layout idea, I'm not so sure about dismantling all of the existing bench work.

However, at this point I do NOT think I want to reuse ALL of the existing bench work, instead just retaining an L shaped portion and access to the closet for staging. Upon this would be a small junction point yard and the town of "Ozarka Springs".  Such a layout would FINALLY be a place to use my old HO scale Black Mountain & Northern concept as well as the equipment I built for it. I would use my old PFM Mini-Sound 2 console with the reverb, bypass filter, and all the proverbial whistles and bells that the system brings to the table. (You just can't beat the sounds and "playability" the PFM2 series of consoles produced.)

The operational concept would be:

* As was the prototype town/railroad that I drew inspiration from, my fictional town of "Ozarka Springs" would be on the end of a short branch of the main line of the parent road, which would essentially mimic the operational scheme the Missouri & North Arkansas used in order to serve the Ozark mountain town of Eureka Springs in northwest Arkansas "way back when".

* The BM&N "main line" trains would deliver inbound cars for Ozarks Springs (and retrieve outbound cars from same) via the small junction yard, and then the Ozarka Springs switcher would go about the business of spotting the inbounds, pulling the outbounds, and classifying the outbounds at the small junction yard. Of course, the BM&N "main line" would be represented by the closet staging tracks and thus never have to be modeled per se.

* The town of "Ozarka Springs" would be very loosely based on the prototype town of Eureka Springs, Arkansas, which was (and still is) a fascinating town. The railroading there was pretty interesting, too.

Ah shucks, here's a picture of the prototype Eureka Springs back when the railroad first reached town in 1882 as the "Eureka Springs Railway":

And here's a couple views of Eureka Springs during its hey day that I would reflect with my "Ozark Springs"...

Okay... this is getting deep. It's time for me to pause, go get a bowl of ice cream, and ponder this heavy stuff.

When I return, I'll put up some model pics of some of my Black Mountain & Northern junk I built so long ago.

See 'ya in a bit!

Nothing helps the gray matter

Nothing helps the gray matter like a nice bowl of ice cream! (In this case, a bowl of Neapolitan!)

Now, for some quick background and some pics:

The roots of my appreciation for steam actually go back to the Freedom Train in 1976. Standing beside the hiway in the middle of a cold night in north Oklahoma... and listening to that distant moan of the GS4's whistle and that wonderful exhaust note... awakened me to a railroading world I had previously ignored. The passing of the train a few moments later was simply frosting on the cake. Previous to that night, my interest was diesels only. This encounter led to a brief flirtation with modeling steam. However, it played out quickly, but the newfound respect and appreciation for steam remained.

However, "The Experience" changed everything. My "Experience" happened while I was riding the tender of wood burning Eureka Springs & North Arkansas Mogul #1. I can remember so vividly the rock cut, the rapid and sharp barking of the exhaust, and that wonderful chime whistle erupting raucously, yet melodiously, into the wonderful Ozark spring air. I can also vividly recall the goose bumps that shot up my back and on my arms during that moment. I also distinctly remember thinking "so THIS is why David (an elderly model railroad friend that LOVED steam) is so crazy about steam!".

From The Experience onward, I have had a DEEP appreciation for steam. It was because of The Experience, that I started trying to pursue a modeling idea that would become my own "Black Mountain & Northern" concept and theme, set in the Ozarks. As for fleshing out some details, the BM&N drew inspiration from the prototypical railroading that existed in the Ozarks for inspiration in the late 1800s and early 1900s.

I made several attempts to overthrow my diesel theme layout, but I was never able to take the fateful plunge and start dismantling the current diesel layout at the time. The dilemma continued for years and years. I thought it was at bay... but maybe not.

Anyway, through my years of indulging in steam along with my diesel modeling, I learned that I really enjoyed kit bashing steam locomotive kits, as well as kit bashing truss rod type rolling stock.

Now, let me preface what follows by saying that I'm not a "craftsman" oriented modeler. Those years are past, and have been for a long time. Instead, I heartily embrace the "good e'nuf" philosophy, even in my BM&N days some 25-30 years ago. That is, if it looks good enough to my eyes, it's good enough. Period. This applies to both diesel and steam modeling. Therefore, I like taking an easy approach to accomplish what I want to do. Sure, my "wants" often dictate some effort, but that's okay... as long as the entire THEME doesn't require exacting effort. (This was the aspect that killed my several-year-long foray into Colorado-based Sn3. There was imply WAY too much craftsman work required to model the era I wanted to model.)

Therefore, especially with steam, I want models that look "good enough", has some distinction, but not overly time intensive or expensive. Thus, MDC Old Timer locomotives became the basis for all of my steam kit bashing, as well as comprising a heavy part of the rolling stock roster.

I conceived the BM&N as a smaller regional railroad in the Ozarks that came into existance in the late 19th century. I was going to model the 1900's so I don't have to deal with link and pin coupling. The BM&N is envisioned to run north/south through some of the most rugged of the Ozarks (intentionally!) and draws heavily from the inspiration of the following prototype Ozark lines:

* The Frisco's "Ft. Smith Sub/Central Sub" in NW Arkansas.

* The Frisco's "St. Paul Branch" in NW Arkansas.

* The Missouri & North Arkansas in north Arkansas.

* The Black Mountain & Eastern in NW Arkansas.

* Other lesser inspirational prototype lines.

I envisioned smaller power that had some history behind it. Consolidated's of 1880's vintage would be the biggest power. There would also be Moguls of the same vintage. Wooden truss rod rolling stock would comprise fully 100% of the BM&N rolling stock fleet and about 95% of the total fleet. (I like truss rod stuff!)

Crap. I'm doing that "Mr. Verbosity" thing again.  Let's cut short the drivel and get to the pictures.

First, a look at an "in process" (almost all of my BM&N engines are "in process!) BM&N Consolidated. This one has been "modernized" with a steel sheathed cab. It is to hoped that it generally reflects a "Dickson/Cooke" type of look: It uses a modified MDC 0-6-0 boiler and cab. (Cab roof re-contoured and a new roof installed.) I think the domes are from a Tyco "Rogers" Ten Wheeler. I also think cylinder saddle has been modified so the the boiler sits lower on the frame. (I think all of my BM&N engines have this modification.)

Now, what isn't evident is that inside that small tender is a PFM sound module, sans speaker. (Robbed it years ago to use in an Sn3 project.) There are also Tomar rail wipers on both tender trucks and two on the pick up side of the frame (one is visible if you look between the 3rd and 4th driver.) Those helped the contact issues tremendously. (Ha... just noticed how dusty that model is!!) I also have a installed in it a Sagami 16mm x 30mm can motor and NWSL regearing sets. It runs very nice: Slow, quiet and smooth.

Next up is an "in process" kit bashed Mogul that uses an MDC Mogul frame w/52" drivers. The boiler is from a Tyco "Rogers" Ten Wheeler that I cut and butchered to appear as you see it. The domes are "stand ins" at this point until I decide what kind of domes I want to use. It also has the same treatment as above: Ready for a Sagami 16x30mm can (on hand), has NWSL gears, sliders, etc. Still quite a bit of work to do on this one, but it would be fun work.

Next is a picture of one of the surviving "nearly finished" BM&N kit bashed engines. This one started out as an MDC Old Timer 2-8-0, but I hacked it into a 2-6-2 early on. In retrospect, I do not want a 2-6-2 on the roster, as they were not at all common (as in "none) in the Ozarks. Therefore, I suspect I will gut the mechanism (Sagami 16mm x 30mm can and NWSL gears) and use the boiler/cab on some other more typical Ozark type wheel arrangement. (Read: Consol, Mogul, or maybe a Ten Wheeler.)  When iced some decades ago, it only needed a crew in the cab and "glass" installed in some of the windows to be "done". FWIW: This one still has its complete sound system installed. BTW, the coal loads on all of the tenders is dyed foam rubber. This allows the sound to come out of the tender nicely via the face ported speaker.

And now for the cabeese. Up first is a side door. This was kit bashed using an MDC Old Timer wood sheathed caboose that I shortened so as to take advantage of one of the greatest virtues of TOC19 modeling: Short equipment! (My longest freight car is 36' long!) Trust me, much experimentation confirmed to me that TOC19 trains are SHORTER and thus much more manageable for a layout environment. The shorter cars also increases spur/siding capacity to boot for any give spur/siding length compared to more modern lengths. Perfect for smaller layouts.

(Ha! Looks like I didn't seat the roof fully before I shot the pic earlier this evening!)

Here's a regular caboose, again using the MDC Old Timer caboose:

What isn't apparent in the two photos above is there is "glass" installed in all the windows. Looks nice when they reflect ambient light.

And for a couple of samples of "good e'nuf" rolling stock. Both of these have scratch built bodies grafted to MDC Old Timer truss rod boxcar frames. They are a lot of fun to make.

This "good e'nuf" thing also extends to structures.  For example, here's an old Ozark home place typical of the time and region that was made from a 99 cent "snap tite" base structure. I simply distressed the wood elements a bit, added an old elbow type smoke stack (from a pot bellied stove, no doubt), created some curtains using typing paper, and re-roofed it with rusted sheet iron, oh, and added some "sway back" to the porch. This little structure would be perched upon some rock pillars once placed on a layout.

Okay, that's it for this installment of "As The Layout Turns".  Don't know where I'll be heading in this thread next! I guess it will be a surprise to me, too!!

Andre

"Now with this TOC19 layout

    I'd keep the benchwork in there for a while and see how you feel about it after some time has passed. I have a similar small layout in the house( TT scale) and a larger S layout in my workshop so I understand the difficulty in choosing just one thing to model. I've found I work on each a bit then get bored and switch to the other for a while(worked on the TT layout last month and started working on the S layout again yesterday). I'd probably be better off just building one layout so I could be farther along on it but I'm not sure finishing a layout is high on my priorities list :> ) .......DaveB   

Neapolitan

Neapolitan!

Talk about being unable to decide. You really have got it bad. Sorry I just could not resist the irony as it relates to your decisions regarding your model railroading era. This is just comedy gold. I'll have to give you 2 thumbs upon your choices so far. I also want to congratulate you for not having a really bad case of OCD, see the really bad ones have an advanced condition known as CDO. That is Obsessive Compulsive Disorder so bad it has to be in alphabetical order when the initials are used.

DaveB: VERY good idea on

DaveB:

VERY good idea on leaving the bench work alone for now.  I do need to give this idea the "test of time" (as I call it) and see how I feel "the morning after" the excitement of the fling!!

There are also a lot if "what now?" types of situations, such as seeing if there is some type of replacement for some of the needed items to be compatible with my PFM 2 system. Mainly, the sound modules that go into the tender and the capacitor that is used on the chuff contact. Also, seeing how often some of the MDC items I used come up for sale, etc, etc. Lots of questions to be addressed.

Rob:

LOL! Good one on the ice cream choice! 

Thanks for the thumbs up! I sure wish I hadn't sold off so much of this TOC19 stuff many years ago when I just "knew" I wouldn't be returning to it. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Could it really be???

Andre, Are you by chance Andre Ming from V Scale Creations? If yes, you probably know of a few routes I created for MSTS, my 1940's Lehigh & Hudson River and my 1960's Lehigh & Hudson River routes, just to name two. I then went on to create the Montour Railroad using RSC / Dovetail games Train Simulator program. V scale is nice, but it just didn't give me the same satisfaction as I get out of model railroading. So I'm once again working on my Pittsburgh & West Virginia HCD layout. Hope things are still going well on the A&M? 

Eureka Springs

It is a very interesting town. Spent the day there a few years back. After reading the book on the town's bio I played around with a MR for the area. Like the prototype there isn't much to go on for building a RR. One idea that did hit a button though was to free lance the line beyond reality. Much heaver passenger traffic headed for some health clinics and that would lead to more inbound commodities to support the same and a larger population base. Add to that one or two water bottling plants for export to the East coast.

A very interesting scene would be looking up the main street and being able to model both the store fronts and the back sides too. In that 1st photo of the town, the store fronts are the other side of those tall structures and I think most of them are one story tall from the front. The street makes a sharp left about 1/2 way up and continues on.

For those of you who don't know of Eureka Springs, in the 2nd half of the 1800's after the civil war and into the early 1900's. Eureka Springs has some really amazing spring water. Some of the best I have ever tasted and I have been all over the country. Anyway back then the water developed a reputation as a sort of miracle water that could and did seem to heal all sorts of stuff. People came from all over the East coast to drink it and many of them went home a lot healthier. Unfortunately the water now has bacteria in it from who knows where and it is strongly recommended that you don't drink it. I didn't care and drank a bottle anyway that I filled up at one of the local springs.

Can you tell that I am biased toward the TOC19 version?

Jack

Jeff: Your reply slipped past

Jeff:

Your reply slipped past me somehow. Sorry 'bout that. Unfortunately, I live in an area where there is zilch in the way of model railroad club/organization/non-organization activity. No known model railroaders within almost a 30 mile radius.

Rich S:

You asked...

"Andre, Are you by chance Andre Ming from V Scale Creations?"

I am he. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Do I owe you money?

Like you, I enjoy V scale... but it can only do so much for me. I've always piddled along with model railroading in some form even during my zenith years in V scale. Frankly, the thing that has me the most bummed about V scale is the way computer technology marches on, and yet we're stuck with the same needed programs for development that date back years ago.

At this point, I'm looking at reviving some models that I built between 20-30 years ago... and they will still run/perform fine and dandy!

It's slow on the A&M right now. However, thus far, no lay-offs in Train Service. Class 1's can't say that, so I guess we're hanging in there. I have a UP friend that has almost 9 years of service in, and he's up for the next cut. Some of my other UP friends have been cut for months, as well as some BNSF friends. Tough times for railroading, right now.

Jack:

So right you are. Actually, I have some Eureka Springs Sanborn maps that span from the 1880s up into the teens of the 20th century. During the short span of time that Eureka Springs was "headquarters" for the expanding St. Louis & North Arkansas*, it was pretty intense, complete with turntable, ultra small yard, multi-stall engine house, large team track, stock pen, ice house, and other items. All of this was crammed in Leatherwood Hollow next to where the last depot is still located.

* For those that haven't a clue what railroad we're talking about, in 1882 a line was built from its connection with the Frisco at Seligman, MO, to the boom town of Eureka Springs, Arkansas, a distance of about 18 miles. In 1899, the ESRwy was folded into the St.Louis & North Arkansas, and expansion begin to points deeper in the Ozarks of Arkansas as well as the cotton lands southeast of the Ozark Mountains. The St.Louis & North Arkansas was re-invented as the Missouri & North Arkansas in 1907, and the M&NA was pushed to completion from Joplin, Missouri to the river port town of Helena, Arkansas on the Mississippi River, a total distance of about 360 miles. In 1935, the M&NA was again re-invented, this time called the Missouri & Arkansas. The M&A lasted until 1946 when it went belly up.The final version of the North Arkansas was the "Arkansas & Ozarks". The A&O was a truncated version (from Seligman to Harrison, Arkansas, some 75 miles), and the A&O lasted until 1960. The North Arkansas (as it's most often referred to) was an obscure railroad with a very colorful history that included all sorts of catastrophes, swindlings, mismanagement, drama... even a lynching.  It truly was a hard-luck railroad. The only hard cover book that covers its history exclusively is long out of print, but available online: "The North Arkansas Line" by James R. Fair, Jr.

You added:

"One idea that did hit a button though was to free lance the line beyond reality... < snip: emebelishing reality> ...Add to that one or two water bottling plants for export to the East coast."

Bingo. You just described my vision for my surrogate Eureka Springs: Ozarka Springs. I hope to implement me a version of the prototype Ozarka water bottling plant that was at Eureka Springs.

(FWIW: The Ozarka brand of bottled water still exists and is sold in this region, but has nothing to do with Eureka Springs any longer.)

Speaking of Ozarka bottling, here's a prototype pic of a couple of their cars during the later years of the North Arkansas. Picture taken at Eureka Springs:

If I do this, I really ought to come up with a decal set similar to the above, changing the place name as needed!

Parting shots:

I've been going through my stash of TOC19 Ozark-based short line layout plans that I developed decades ago. Sort of refreshing myself with what I had come up with for small spaces back then. I may use some of the elements I'm finding on some of the layout plans as "maybe" points for inclusion. I can't find the track plan for a sectional 9' cubicle (with backdrops no less) that I designed and even built the bench work for back in the late 1980s. Alas, someone offered to buy the entire cubicle and I sold it, including giving them the track plan. Silly me on the track plan for not making a copy.

Oh, and I'm still inventorying my remaining TOC19 stuff, too.

Okay... all for this installment.

Eureka Springs

Andre look up the HOG RR plan and think of adding vertical scenery for the town. You have the interchange and run to the town. Add in a TT at the Springs.

Some of the new Bachmann HO locos from Ma&Pa would look good with your MDC conversions. If they existed 40 years ago when I went NG I would have that 1890 - 1910 shortline layout today. Tempting to go that route today but after years in O scale NG hard to turn back especially on a retiree's "salary".

Bill Uffelman

Hi Bill!Good to see you made

Hi Bill!

Good to see you made your way over here!

I understand on the "too late to turn back now".  It's not "too late" for me at this point in regards to models... but I sure have sold off a bunch of hardware items I could sorely use now. (PFM sound modules, PFM speakers, etc, etc.)

Right you are: "Ozarka Springs" would HAVE to give the impression of being "hung on a hillside" in order to please me. Some way to turn locomotives is a high priority, too. Either a small gallows type turntable, or a very compact wye integrated into the track plan at the corner.

Thanks for the tip on the HOG RR track plan.

At this point, I'm still leaning toward only an L shaped layout with closet staging. (Which is totally doable with the current bench work, though I want to rework one side to reduce under hang.) Even though it could be tempting to also reuse the remaining bench work that goes around the other wall, doing so would defeat the number one purpose for investing in the outbuilding: Regaining more space in this room.  So, I still think I will eventually take down the section on the other wall to make room for a dedicated hobby bench and additional book shelves. However, it would be nice to have a continuous run option as well as room for another LDE... but my gut feeling is that I don't think the trade offs to do so would be satisfying over the long haul.

All fer now!

Late breaking news: I just

Late breaking news:

I just found a BM&N project engine I didn't know I had!! It's a kit-bashed Mogul based on the MDC Old Timer 2-8-0! Already has a Sagami 16mm x 30mm fitted to it, regeared with the NWSL set, and sliders installed on the locomotive and tender! No sound innards are in the tender, though.

I'll shoot a pic of it tomorrow evening after I get home from work and post it.

Good night!

Do I owe you money?

Andre, No you don't owe me any money, funny line, but no and thanks for the laugh. It's just good to see someone from my Train sim days. I know we've talked before on the route forum of trainsim.com while I was building my two L&HR routes. As for tough times, I hear you loud and clear, so far no layoffs where I'm at, but the railroad I work for has already closed a couple of yards and laid people off. Even though my era of interest is the 60's and 70's, it will be interesting to see the progress on your TOC project.

Hi Again Rich! I'm sure we

Hi Again Rich!

I'm sure we exchanged ideas/etc over at Trainsim "back in the day".

As for you liking the 60s - 70s: I think I mentioned in my original post that my future larger layout will be set in the early 1960s.

As for progress on this absurd idea I have of a smaller TOC19 layout to scratch my steam itch: No telling where this road will lead... or if it will lead anywhere at all!

I have an "Update" post w/pics coming up next.

I'm BAAAAaaack! WARNING:

I'm BAAAAaaack!

WARNING: Innane drivel and some pics will follow. If you clicked here by mistake, this is your chance to leave without damaging your brain.  You have been warned.

UPDATE:

As I mentioned late last night: I found an engine I didn't know I had!!

Yup, it's another 2-6-0. This one appears to have used a highly modified MDC 0-6-0 switcher frame, onto which was grafted a plastic pilot from "somewhere". It appears I milled a new driver slot for an offset rear driver. The boiler is the tried and true MDC Old Timer boiler. A Sagami 16mm x 30mm can is already installed, as is the phosphur bronze contact wiper for the chuffs. It will need sound installed. (Speaking of which, it's high time for me to unpack my PFM2 system and set it up to see if it still works!) The basic engine (i.e. all the hard stuff) is done and is functional and complete, but the detailing process had not started.

Anyway, here's a pic of my "new" Mogul!

Oh... and while up in the attic, I also found a couple of El-Cheapo "Quick n' Easy" depots I had bashed to represent small mountain town depots. Both of these were based upon the old AHM snap-tite "Rural Depot" that cost a whopping .99 cents as I recall! Both were cut down and putzed with... but no real details were added, and I note the "glass" has disappeared on the "medium sized" one. And both are obviously of the "good enuf" category! (However, if used they would benefit from a few details being added.)

Here's the "medium sized" one:

And here's the "small sized" one...

And, while fumbling around in that hellacious region known as The Attic (insert eerie organ music here), I also found:

* More steam-oriented parts and stuff including frames and such.

* A box containing several small steam "concept" layout plans. Some of the elements thereon may be of interest to me if I go forward with this "small TOC19 layout" idea!

In all, a very profitable time up in The Attic.

Okay... that's it for now!

Andre