jpachl
When talking about model railroad photography, most people would rather think of high-end DLSR cameras than of cell phone cameras. The small picture sensor of cell phone cameras is usually considered a shortcoming. However, for model railroad photography, this weakness may turn into an advantage, because it leads to a greater depth of field, an effect also known from smaller compact cameras. So, it might be worth to test the usefulness of cell phone cameras for model railroad photography.
 
In the last five years, cell phone cameras have developed significantly. There are not only much higher resolutions but also new interesting settings available. So, quite innovative for a cell phone, the camera of the BlackBerry Classic can take pictures in HDR mode. In the the next picture, which I already presented in 'weekly photo fun', this feature was applied. The HDR effect produced the interesting atmosphere of an approaching thunderstorm.
 

In another forum, somebody came up with the argument that cell phone cameras allow to take photos at spots that cannot be reached by the lens of bigger cameras. Sometimes, you can even look around corners at scenes that are hidden for visitors. On the diorama shown in the 'thunderstorm' picture above, there is a small yard limited by a wooden fence and a brick wall next to the main building. Sometimes, visitors of my Flickr gallery wonder what's inside this yard. Due to the wall of the building, it's hardly possible to spot into the yard with the lens of a big camera. With a cell phone camera, it works perfectly.
 

So, while cell phone cameras might be an interesting option for specific photo scenes on a model railroad layout, there is still one big weakness, which is the small lens and the lack of an optical zoom. To overcome this weakness but take advantage of the great depth of field provided by the small sensor, one could use a small compact camera with a high quality lens. For years, my preferred camera for model railroad photography is a Leica D-LUX 3, which exactly combines these features.
 
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Jackh

Thanks

Being in the market for a new camera, this has been a good help. I will have to find out how to move photos off my phone and onto my computer. I'll also see about finding one of those cameras you mentioned. Wrote it down.

Jack

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jpachl

Copy photos from phone to computer

Jack,

The fastest way to get the photos from your phone to your computer is to use a USB cable and run the phone in USB storage mode. Depending on the type of the phone, this may require installation of appropriate drivers. Another option is to use a cloud service, i.e., something like dropbox.

Joern

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RetiredKY

Move phone pictures to computer

As mentioned by Jack in the previous post USB to computer IS the fastest.  However I kind of like using the cloud.

You have a couple of options and I am sure there are more.

1. Google photos allows you to store an unlimited numbers of photos up to a 15MB each pic without compression.  It does require you have a google account but you can create one just for the photos. You don't have to create a Gmail account.  If you have an Android IOS the pics are uploaded automatically if you want.  Here is a short review.

http://www.cnet.com/news/google-photos-launches-today-with-free-unlimited-photos-and-video/

2. The other is Microsoft's One Drive.

 Not unlimited but up to 15GB storage for free.  For $2 a month you can upgrade to 100GB. There are other plans too.

https://onedrive.live.com/about/en-us/

With both options you can upload the pics to the cloud and then download them to your computer.

I have both accounts that upload automatically from my phone and I share the cloud login information with my family so they can download any pics they want.  My wife loves it.

I do find I take more pictures than I need but its easy enough to delete the pictures from the cloud and my phone.  

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alco251

Email them

I just email my photos to my Gmail account, must admit I'd not used my phone for layout photography as I have a Nikon compact (S220) sitting next to the layout. Laptop and card reader also at the ready .

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arthurhouston

Photo Storage

Since the start of digital photos this for many is very important. Your hard drive will fail. Now run dual 3 trig back uo storage devices. Over 20000 rr photos and so much video it is hard to keep up with it. BACK YOU PHOTOS AND VIDEO. 

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barr_ceo

Due to their physical design,

Due to their physical design, cell phones can do things other cameras just can't do... like give you an eye-level view of N scale trains!

This was an old one done with an iPhone 3...

 

 

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Brad Ketchen OSCR

Bluetooth is ideal but...

The best way would be using the Bluetooth option to send photos to your computer however my MOTO G won't let me nor will it work with a USB cable so I have to email the photos. I have to do the same sending mp3's to my phone which is a lot of fun! 

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Jim at BSME

File Transfer

The key with the USB file transfer is to make sure the phone is connected in the correct mode, it may also depend on the phone, but with mine I connect as a USB device not a Media device.  Media seems to be only used for transferring/syncing music files.  Once connected as a USB device you need to find the files with windows explorer, for Andriod devices usually in the folder \Internal Storage\DCIM or \sdcard\DCIM if you are saving your pictures to a sdcard.  If you don't get any notice about how you want to connect to the computer when you connect the USB cable you may need to go to your phone settings and look under storage for how to connect.

For the motoG the steps for transferring to the computer are on Verizon's website at:  http://www.verizonwireless.com/support/knowledge-base-88405/

As for bluetooth I think it is just as complicated, no wire, but everything has to be set right.  I found a tutorial at:  http://www.7tutorials.com/transfer-files-between-devices-your-windows-7-pc-bluetooth

​Sorry I'm not a mac user, but I am sure there are tutorials for them too.

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Jim at BSME

Depth of Field

Having the whole picture in focus front to back is nice, but I don't see how it is dependent on the size of the sensor.

With digital SLRs you set size of the iris (the whole through which all light passes) to as small as it can go to get the greatest depth of field, of course this means either lots of light on your model or longer exposure times to get a good picture.

Maybe with the overall camera being small for the cell phone, the iris is pretty tiny so it gives you a greater depth of field by default.

I think the problem with most point & shoot cameras is the automatic settings are for general purpose and the iris doesn't get small enough for a large depth of field. When you are taking shots at the birthday party you probably only care about a 2 foot depth of field, but model shots are probably routinely much greater.

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George Sinos gsinos

  The sensor size/DOF

The sensor size/DOF relationship is well understood. There is a simple explanation on this page but you can Google it and find it explained at several sites.

GS

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Eric Hansmann Eric H.

Different uses

I enjoy using my iPhone to quickly document a model build step or an op session moment on my layout. I also like to use it to quickly see different photo angles. With consistent lighting, many of these iPhone images are used on my blog with a simple Photoshop tweak, a crop, then a Save for Web at a 1200 pixel width. 

I break out my Nikon D60 to capture something in a high quality RAW file. Often I will snap images with the Nikon to make a final documentation of a build or to take an image that tells part of the story of a portion of the layout. Often I'll set up the camera to repeat the photo angle from an iPhone image because I did not realize the view before snapping it with the iPhone.

I enjoy using either around the layout but I'm usually thinking of long term use with the Nikon.

Eric

 

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herronp

Videos are pretty good with an Iphone.......

Now if there was an easy way to edit out the "Peanut Gallery"!!!

Peter

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MikeC in Qld

I must start using my phone.

I must start using my phone. With the bigger Olympus I can't get those close-to-the-ground shots that can make locos look huge.

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dapenguin

lack of?

You mentioned lack of optical zoom.  There ar many clip on lenses for cell phones that can go a long way to alleviate that little omission.

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g0

There's an app for that

On my most recent model of Android phone, I've used a different camera app than the stock one.  It is called, appropriately, "A Better Camera".  I've found that it does make some difference in the quality of the images that I gather.

-Fuzzy
 

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bear creek

sensor size and depth of field

The relationship of sensor size and depth of field is indirect.

The real relationship is between lens focal length and depth of field with a wide angle lens (short focal length) having better depth of field. Folks shooting with telephoto lenses have depth of field problems like crazy. Even f/45 isn't enough to create deep field depth with a 300mm lens on a DSLR.

So how does focal length interact with sensor size?

It's pretty obvious when you think about it. If you double the size of the sensor, then to get the same photo composition the lens needs to be twice as far from the sensor (focal length is twice as long) and the depth of field gets shallower. But if you halve the size of the sensor, for the same photo composition the lens needs to be half the distance from the sensor and the focal length is halved creating better depth of field.

So why would anyone who cares about depth of field use a DSLR? Well, there are other things that effect depth of field: aperture and distance of the camera from the subject.

The smaller the aperture (the hole through which light enters the camera) the better the depth of field. Aperture is measured in f-stops. f/2.8 is a much larger hole than f/4, which is larger than f/8, etc. A DSLR lens will often stop down (tighten the aperture) to f/32.

The closer the camera is to the subject the worse the depth of field. Assuming a camera can focus closely enough going from 12" away from your model train subject to 6" away will result in much noticeably worse depth of field.

There is a minimum practical aperture. Once the opening gets too small, diffraction effects where the light at the edge of the opening is bent and "scattered" become significant compared with the light that doesn't scattered and leads to a "soft" (not sharply focused) image. You'll have more control over this with a DSLR. The aperture in f-stops, also depends on focal length. While a decent DSLR lens will stop down to f/32, a compact camera may stop down to f/8. Both of these will yield much better depth of field than a wider aperture for that camera.

There are other issues. A DSLR usually has a larger sensor. The larger sensor is easier to carve up into individual pixels than a tiny sensor and for the same number of pixels the area of each pix will be larger in a big sensor camera than in a small sensor camera.

Larger pixel sites on a sensor tend to have much better noise characteristics. And large sensor cameras usually get the best out of a lens. This is why photos form an 8x10 view camera are generally much higher resolution than anything else out there. But those huge cameras also come with depth of field issues - lens if much further from the sensor (or film).

On the other hand, a compact camera may achieve decent depth of field at f/8 instead of f/32 so extremely low noise sensors and electronics aren't as necessary.

But overall, you'll find a good DSLR with good glass can take significantly better photos than most cell-phone cameras, all other things being equal and with good lighting. However, in the real world, the differences between a DSLR, a compact camera, and a cell-phone may not be so obvious. Technique on the part of the photographer plays a big role.

One thing a good DLSR does give that you're not going to find on tiny cameras or cell phones is good "handling". Is it easier to operate the camera? How fast is auto focus? How accurate is auto-focus? How accurate is exposure metering? How short an exposure is possible? How many frames per second can the camera shoot? Does the camera produce .raw (digital negative) files for best photo quality?

Against these is the issue of can you physically place a DSLR into a scene to get a shot from an unusual angle. A compact camera or cell-phone camera is definitely smaller and more maneuverable.

If you get serious about photography you'll probably end up with an arsenal of equipment - small cameras to larger camera.

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next stop

Tips and Tricks

Cell phone cameras can take great pictures. They are excellent for up close model photography.  I have published several photos taken with the phone in MRH. The image on the lead page of my Batch-Building story MRH (March - April 2014) is a cell phone shot as well as several others in the article.

Suggestions for better cell phone pics:

Make sure the focus is razor sharp.  Use the focus feature in the phone to get the focal spot correct. These phones are very sensitive to the focal point in the scene and can create blurry shots due to the shallow focus zone. You can spoil a close up shot by misplacing the focus point usually too far back in the shot.

Keep the camera still while taking the photo.  Even a slight motion while taking the photo will make for a fuzzy image. Try resting the phone on something to hold it steady.  I use pict easy a handy app that won’t let the camera take the shot until the phone is dead still.

On many phones the focal point also sets the exposure.  This means that the exposure will change as you move the focal point around in the shot.  My pict easy app lets me separate the focus and exposure points in the shot.  This is makes it easy to get the right exposure by moving around the exposure square in the image area until it looks the best without affecting the focus point.

The camera lens is on one side of the I phone. This gives two angles for close up shots. One will give you a ground level view while the other is a bit higher off the bottom of the scene.  Both angles can be useful in composing the shot.

The biggest limitation to the phone is the image size and the clarity in shots requiring large depth of field.  For images requiring these characteristics, the DSLR still rules.

Regarding image size: Web image sizes are typically under a megapixel.  This is usually enough to have high quality resolution at 72 DPI (computer screen).  Print media (magazines) require 300 DPI and here you will need images with more megapixel s (from a DSLR) for anything large (although I do know of a few exceptions to this). Cell phone images of 3-4 megapixels can work quite well in web format but not so good in print for this reason. The images from some more modern phones are closing this gap.

Image clarity and Depth of field:  By taking close up shots that benefit from a blurry (or slightly fuzzy) background, one can turn a limitation into an advantage. Portrait photographers use this effect in head shots to attain emphasis on the subject by blurring the background. Cell phones excel in creating this effect in extreme close up photography.

As with all photography, the eye and imagination are the most important aspect.  Personally I am always working to improve the composition and lighting in the photos I take.

Here are few shots and the breakdown on them:

This shot is what cell phone photos are about to me.  The phone is on the layout very close to the subject.  The shallow focus zone can be seen clearly.  The rails and building are in focus in front of the loco..  The rest of the shot has a pleasing softness to it. This image also takes advantage of the lens being on the bottom of the shot looking up, making the loco seem very imposing.

This shot of the same scene shows the lens on the top of the camera and different view that can be achieved.  Notice the soft focus as the train recedes into the shot.

This example shows the feeling of depth that can be created.  Notice the focal point is somewhere near the truck in this shot.  The edge of the train car in the foreground is pleasantly blurred and helps create the illusion of depth. A DSLR never would have fit in this space on the layout.

This shot shows one of the limitations of image size.  Note the overall graininess in the shot.  However it still can produce a nice effect.

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JLandT Railroad

I'm using my iPhone camera now...

For all of my shots on my blogs and now for articles too, the iPhone 6+ takes a pretty good shot and I expect the HD 1080P video will be just a s good.  

The distinct advantage with the 6+ is has image stabilisation in it, and it also has a timer built in now.  The timer has been fantastic for when I'm staging shots for how to photos, I can set things up press the timer and then steady fingers, hands, so that image is not blurred and everything is framed correctly.

Nothing wrong with this...

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Jas...

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jpachl

Just found on Flickr

On Flickr, I just stumbled over this:

I could hardly believe that this is just a cell phone picture.

Joern

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Virginian and Lake Erie

There are limitations to

There are limitations to almost everything. Those I phones really do a nice job in the I-car for videos. If you wish to see some from our club layout follow the link at the bottom of the post. They are also nice for videos, I filmed a 160 car coal train with an I phone and shot many other photos with it. It can be seen on my club blog and the club website link below.

There are times a real camera is nicer to use but if you can only have one the phone is very capable and far better than many that have gone before.

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MikeC in Qld

I gave it a go

The phone got down nice and low for this shot. A pity about the mis-matched backdrops. It's on the to-do list.

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Kevin Rowbotham

Good Info!

This is all helpful.  I can see where the phone cameras could come in handy around the layout but I personally  have a hard time taking a good picture with my Samsung Galaxy 5, but taking good shots, even with my somewhat outdated Nikon D60, is almost effortless.

I need lots more practice with the phone camera!  Pict Easy sounds like a good app but if it only takes the shot when the phone is absolutely still I may need a cell phone tripod to be ble to take that shot, lol!

Regards,

~Kevin

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Dave K skiloff

Only $5, Kevin

http://www.amazon.ca/Adjustable-Tripod-camera-Holder-Cellphone/dp/B0042J6VUS

I've considered getting one for that price, but then it's not at track level anymore.  But you can just rest it on the track or the scenery without the tripod.

Dave
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Kevin Rowbotham

Only $5...

Quote:

I've considered getting one for that price, but then it's not at track level anymore.  But you can just rest it on the track or the scenery without the tripod.

Dave

Not a bad price, Dave.  I've also considered a similar mount that has a 1/4" threaded insert for mounting the cell phone to my standard tripod.

First, I need to finish the layout before buying any cell phone camera accessories!

Regards,

~Kevin

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