joef
The idea has come up on another thread of creating a new column in MRH to give more air time to the freelancing and more artsy side of the hobby. Think resurrect the John Olson and Malcom Furlow approach to the hobby. If we could get several columnists who rotate, it could be a very interesting counter to the Getting Real column. What do you think?

Joe Fugate​
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Greg Williams GregW66

I'd read it.

I am rather intimidated by prototypical layouts. Part of my job is reading and research. When I am hobbying (not a word) I like to free myself from that. I guess I am a good enough modeler. Seeing artistic creations that may not have ever existed is part of the fun in the hobby. My 40' boxcar has that kind of brake wheel because that's what they had on hand in the shop. My railroad, my rules. I don't mean that to sound dictatorial, just that no one can dispute what and how I model unless they dispute the fact that it is completely fantastical and has to bearing on reality. I like that freelance type of modeling.

I always enjoyed looking at the work done by Olson and Furlow, very artistic modelers and would enjoy seeing that sort of thing in MRH.

Greg Williams
Superintendent - Eastern Canada Division - NMRA
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LKandO

Definition of Terms

Can you clearly define freelancing please?

Alan

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Rick Sutton

I'd really like to see that

I enjoy the creative part of the hobby much more than the operations/prototype aspect. It is a pretty blurry line to define but it could be fun to give it a try.

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santa fe 1958

Hmmm, could get interesting!

This topic could get interesting, but as Alan says, what is freelancing?

Different people have different interpretations, but aren't a lot of the layouts we see just that....

Probably best to let Joe define how he see's it, and therefore the rest of us will know what to expect / supply!

Brian

Brian

Deadwood City Railroad, modeling a Santa Fe branch line in the 1960's!

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ctxmf74

"Rob, Verne, and Ray."    

Quote:

"Rob, Verne, and Ray."

Clark, Niner,and  Dunakin.    These guys work is  years ahead of Furlow and Olsen( as would be expected in the progression of model railroading) and are right here on the MRH corner of the world wide web doing their thing as we speak.  I guess a dedicated column could make their work more obvious to the slow to find folks but most of us have already been enjoying the ride :> ) .....DaveB

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Rick Sutton

Freewheeling

Freelance(ing) already has a connotation that ties it to other discussions.

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Michael Tondee

I'd love it.....

I could probably even be talked into contributing....LOL.... But I'm not exactly Mr. Popular around here so you might not  want to wreck your magazine....

Michael

Michael, A.R.S. W4HIJ

 Model Rail, electronics experimenter and "mad scientist" for over 50 years.

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trainman6446

Sounds like fun.

Sounds like fun.

Tim S. in Iowa

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joef

Freelancing definition

Here's the definitions we used on our video survey we did last spring ... 1. Strict prototype - total accuracy 2. Loose prototype - small variances to increase fun 3. Strict proto-freelance - actual prototype practices with freelance elements 4. Loose proto-freelance - no such prototype, but keep it plausible 5. Strict freelance - somewhat fanciful, but still feels like “real” trains 6. Loose freelance - anything goes as long as its trains and it’s fun I would consider our current "Getting Real" column to focus mainly on 1, 2, and 3, with the most emphasis on 1 and 2. This new column would be more 4, 5, and 6, with the most emphasis on 5. As for some layout examples, I would consider Tony K's NKP to be #1, my Siskiyou Line to be #2, the V&O to be #3, Charlie Comstock's Bear Creek to be #4, the Gorre & Daphetid to be #5, and Verne Niner's Estrella & Sonora Grande to be #6. Does that help?

Joe Fugate​
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KHaus41369

sooooo.....

Sooo. #5 would be my short line railroad of CWP Rail a division of CWP LLC ( cheapest way possible ) and one of there diesels is a GP-9 with a safety cab on it. Lol. Why...because I can.

Kevin

Modeling something to do with the Grand Trunk Western.

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LKandO

Big Ole 4

3 actual prototype locations merged together into 1 contiguous railroad even though the 3 prototype locations had nothing to do with each other and were separated by hundreds of miles in real life.

If I understand the definitions correctly that makes my railroad a big ole 4. I guess that means I have to vote Yes for the new column.

Alan

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Brent Ciccone Brentglen

How about Artistic Instead?

Rather than freelance, how about "The Art of Model Railroading". This could cover scenery, creating scenes, dioramas and freelancing.

Being an artist as well, I would be willing to contribute.

Brent Ciccone

Calgary

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Michael Tondee

I'd be #5 but I agree about the art element...

I think my modeling would fall in category #5 but I have to agree about the art  element.  A lot of this hobby for me is about the creative aspect of it. I'm not only modeling trains but I'm also trying to create what I consider art and trying to create a certain atmosphere.  One thing  that layouts lke the G&D had and the F&SM has is a very definite sense of atmosphere. I think that's something the strict proto and proto freelance layouts  are usually sorely lacking. Granted, that's probably not the goal of the builders of such layouts  so I hope that's not seen as criticism.

Michael

Michael, A.R.S. W4HIJ

 Model Rail, electronics experimenter and "mad scientist" for over 50 years.

Member of  "The Amigos" and staunch disciple of the "Wizard of Monterey"

My Pike: The Blackwater Island Logging&Mining Co.

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michaelrose55

Looks like my G&AM would be

Looks like my G&AM would be in the #5 category. Yes, I would definitely like such a column in the magazine!

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Geared Steam

Don't forget Dave Meek's Thunder Mesa

Joe

I would like reading about a layout that is on the #6 side of the hobby. Dave Meek's Thunder Mesa is one of those I enjoy following. 

My 2 cents

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barr_ceo

I'm a somewhat loose

I'm a somewhat loose proto-freelancer myself (Let's call it a 5.5 on the scale...). I use "real" locomotives, and rolling stock from other "real" railroads, but my own is freelanced, with a back-history that dates back nearly to the beginnings of the B&O, and includes things like our hostile takeover of the UP making us a true transcontinental railroad. There are other deviations from real world history (f'rex, the Interstate highway system was built smaller and later, so we still have a thriving passenger rail system, including US versions of the Shikansen trains...) that makes my world a real alternate-history universe.

The potential problem, though, that I see with a column is that freelancers do their own thing. While we have an interest in railroads in general, it's going to drive the rivet counters crazy (which isn't necessarily a bad thing... ) because when it comes to counting rivets... for the most part we just don't care. Our models match the prototype exactly, because they ARE the prototype. This also means that while a freelancer can write an article on any aspect of their layout, rolling stock/motive power, or scenery/buildings, it's going to be largely ignored by the prototype modelers, and even the freelancers may not be interested if it doesn't fit their concept. 

Malcom Furlow was mentioned before as an example... but do you remember the disparaging comments about his "unrealistic" layout and scenes that appeared after every article? I loved his work... but there were a WHOLE lot of people that didn't.

mvc-881s.jpg Even so, I say go for it. Model railroading needs the FUN stuffed back into it from time to time, and that's something I keep trying to do with my railroad... for example, the flatcar loads from Industrial Light and Magic.

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salty4568

Freelance Column

I think it is a great idea. Go for it !!

 

Skip Luke
Retired Railroader
washington State

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jwhitten

Go for it, I'll read it!

Go for it, I'll read it! Sounds like a great idea. I like all sorts of model railroads, not just the historically accurate versions.

John

Modeling the South Pennsylvania Railroad ("The Hilltop Route") in its final days of steam. Heavy patronage by the Pennsy and Norfolk & Western. Coal, sand/gravel/minerals, wood, coke, light industry, finished goods, dairy, mail and light passenger service. Interchanges with the PRR, N&W, WM and Montour.
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Jackh

Yes

I strongly suspect that it will be the first thing I read in each issue.

Jack

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Larry of Z'ville

Great idea

I think Dave B is right about the forum having several individuals that model in this realm.  A column would provide  some insite into how they get from here to there, and a whole lot more.

 

So many trains, so little time,

Larry

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splitrock323

Great idea

My Splitrock Mining Company railroad would be in category three to four-ish. 

 
Things I would like to see in that type of article would be how to give your railroad a family appearance. Things like making your engines have similar details. How to make depots and other company structures look similar but not like a current Prototype.
 
Ways to add scenery and lineside details to show off a working Railroad, but not follow an exact prototype practice.
 
Even common themes such as choosing rolling stock, a paint scheme and a logo. A big plus would be to show where to get custom made names and logo's, showing the whole process. Southern Pacific decals abound in all scales, but if you want your Kansas and New York to have a logo, it is a tougher road to follow. 
 
I like the idea and would read as well as try to contribute. 
 
Thomas Gasior

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Dave K skiloff

I like it

My future layout that is swimming around in my head would likely fall in #5 or #6.  I think it would be an interesting contrast with the strict prototype stuff that I also find interesting.

Dave
Playing around in HO and N scale since 1976

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Virginian and Lake Erie

I like it as well. My

I like it as well. My freelance creation involves railroads with one exception that all eventually did merge into the same system just not the way I have it planned. I would be interested in the new section of the magazine as well. Many railroads are free lanced to some degree and I would suspect more of them than we realize are.

I do not think it would take anything away from the prototype modelers as the info and skills they use are still important to the free lancers as a lot of them want the railroad to seem like a real railroad to some extent.

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MLee

Go for it

My stuff would be a 3 or 5 depending on a few definitions that will be defined in the future.  

Go for it and see what happens.  Looks like fun.

Mike Lee

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