bear creek

Over on another thread,  JL&T Railroad Blog - Trackside Photos...

Jas posted some pretty nice photos of his module. The voices of the forum agree, these are pretty nice work.

So! Here's a question for your all:  What is it about these photos that make them burst forth in their realistic glory into your consciousness when the page pops into view? There's one thing that really makes a difference...

Charlie (the resident staff photography nutcase) Comstock

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rickwade

My opinion

#1 thing - Lighting. Nothing beats natural sunlight. Rick

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dhatman

photos

I'm thinkin' it's the auto inversion when uploaded seeing as they were shot upside down!!!To us any way!!

 

Doug Hatman

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Sugar Beet Guy

Shadows

Rick hit the nail on the head.  And sunlight makes some pretty good shadows.

George Booth
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LKandO

Makes for good photos

  1. Well done modeling
  2. Natural daylight, natural skyline
  3. Railfan perspective

Lack of depth of field actually works to Jason's advantage in some of the shots IMHO. Can you imagine how stunning these same shots will be when the scene is micro detailed and weathered?

 

Alan

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Joe Brugger

also

... in addition to natural-looking lighting,  it's overall sharpness, reasonable depth of field, and an absence of "model clues" like big couplers and shiny switch stands.

Mostly, for me, it's interesting content.

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Bluesssman

Lighting and depth of

Lighting and depth of field, and viewing perspective.

Gary

 

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Tom Patterson

Composition

As a relative neophyte at model photography (and photography in general), I'll take a stab at this. In addition to the natural lighting, I think it's the composition of each shot. It's the positioning of the subjects in each of the frames and the angle of the shots that really make the pictures jump out at you, or at least at me.

Tom Patterson

 

 

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bear creek

The composition was

The composition was good.

The modeling good.

It's the lighting that made these images grab your eye. The natural sunlight looks a lot like natural sunlight even in HO scale (funny thing about that!).

If these photos were shot indoors with on camera flash they wouldn't look particularly good. In fact, they'd look pretty funky.

 

The next question is:  "How can a photographer replicate natural sunlight?"

And...

What makes light look like sunlight?

Charlie

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numbersmgr

The shadows

I agree with George.  The thing that really stood out was the natural looking shadows on the ground.  Especially the shadow of the tree on the roadway with the narrow band of sunlight cutting through (I think it was the first photo of the second group).

Jim Dixon    MRM 1040

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murf

Replicating sunlight

There are several things about trying to replicate natural sunlight:

The "color" of the light. Towards the middle of the day sunlight tends to be more "blue", in the mornings and late afternoon it's "warmer" - more towards yellowish or even red.

The direction of the light is important.  Trying to get a "natural shot" would require having your light source at a reasonable angle.  The middle of the day sun is mostly right overhead.  As the day is later the sun's angle (and therefore the angle of your light source) would be towards a horizon; creating longer shadows.  The angle of the source of light will determine shadow lengths as well as surface "hot spots" or reflected glare.

Shadows aren't black.  The earth's atmosphere makes it so that even shadow areas have light.  If you're trying to recreate this in photographs you should either use a secondary light source or "bounce" the main light off a highly reflective surface - like a piece of white cardboard.

Putting it all together you should decide what time of day you're trying to get across and arrange your "sun" light source appropriately, place fill lights or reflectors to help fill in the shadows a bit, and choose light sources (cool bulbs or gels) to color the light to match the time.

 

 

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jeffshultz

Photo lighting clinic in Sacramento...

There was a photo lighting clinic in Sacramento that showed fairly well how to do this - you use a single, very strong light source, with theatrical gels used to get the right color, and then a white or sliver "bounce card" on the opposite side of the models from "the sun" to bounce enough light back to soften the shadows and add visibility to "the dark side."

 

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grandeman

Nothing beats daylight, but

Nothing beats daylight, but there's a small problem, most of our layouts are inside, lol.

Electronic flash is generally viewed by many model railroaders as taboo. That is true of on camera flash. It produces a "fake zerox" look. Realism (or just visual appeal) requires that light color, direction and intensity be right for a given scene. To that end, off camera flash is a fantastic tool. 

As an example, here is a shot of my 20 x 30" diorama (yes, it could be shot outside, but the locomotive headlights would not show up) that was photographed with three "Speedlites" (flash units). One off-camera light was gelled CTO (color temp orange) and illuminated the "sunset" on the simple hand painted backdrop that was about three feet behind the diorama. The other off-camera light provided the "sunset" glisten highlights on the rails and main lighting. A camera (hotshoe) mounted light and ceiling reflector provided "fill" light to prevent the shadows from going black. The headlight intensity on the lead F3 was brought out during the long exposure. Except for the momentary blast of flash this image was shot in near dark conditions. Basically, the flash provides primary lighting and the long shutter speed "burns in" the detail lights on the locomotive.

Days end brings with it a spectacular Rocky Mountain sunset. Colorado and Southern F3s helpers run light over frosty rails as they coast down the mountain during their return trip to Sedalia, Colo. At times the Rio Grande borrows power from the C&S pool to meet the demanding schedule in the Platte Canyon mining district.
 

If anyone is interested, here is a link to more of my model railroad images. Several of them were done with off camera flash.  http://ericmcferrin.smugmug.com/TransportationLargeandSmall/Denver-and-Rio-Grande-Western/10559258_gmhhLD#733433862_AKsmT

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Bob Langer

Nice picture and web site

I have added your web link to my favorites. Good work.

Bob Langer,

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grandeman

Thanks

Thanks for the comments, Bob. 

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LKandO

Your Images

Eric, it was obvious even before visiting your web site you are a professional photographer. The images on your site are awesome.

Alan

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East Rail

Lighting

There was a great sidebar on this subject done by Rob Enrico in Model Railroad Planning 2006.  In the article Rob goes into detail on bulb selection,  camera angle,  and light position.  For those that have the issue in their archives it's worth digging out.

Personally I've had good luck with Tungsten bulbs and the tungsten light setting on my camera.  The bulbs aren't very expensive and are available at any decent camera store.

Here's an example of a shot I took following Rob's suggestions:

http://www.lancemindheim.com/lone_reefer.htm

Lance

 

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grandeman

More thoughts on the subject

Alan- Thanks for visiting my site. I am digging your website and project. 

Digital photography has blown the lid off things due to the instant feedback it provides. For someone that is motivated, the learning curve is steep. Most folks that have the tech savvy and creativity to build a high level model railroad probably have the means and ability to take photography of their trains to a high level as well. One way to create fun lighting for small scenes is with external electronic flash. 

Lance- Your layout is fantastic! I love the detailing and your photos.

Incandescent "daylight" bulbs are readily available. I have used them with cheap clamp-on aluminum reflectors in the past to allow directional lighting. It can work well and large areas can be lit for a reasonable price. 

My preference for electronic flash is because the color, direction, and intensity are so easily controlled. Lighting ratios between the units are easy to control. Speedlites also have zoom heads that help direct light where it is needed for a particular scene. Also, flash shots can be done in dim ambient lighting (or darkness). This allows the layout lighting to be "burned in" by leaving the camera shutter open for an appropriate amount of time. Things like trackside signals, locomotive headlights, etc can be made to show up well. 

 

 

 

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Bob Langer

It's real

Lance,

That picture looks real, just a lazy weekend afternoon.

Bob Langer,

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rickwade

Are you funning us, Lance?

Lance,

Is the picture in your link a model railroad, or did you just take a picture of the real thing and submit it as a model?  It looks so real I can't tell the difference!  Beautiful!

Rick

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East Rail

It's the lighting

Thanks Bob and Rick.  Several years ago I was getting so frustrated with my photos I threw myself at the mercy of professional photographer Sobol and asked for a brutal critique.    Long story short, his advice follows what previous posters have stated.  That is, put most of your emphasis on good lighting and experiment with different shadow effects.  Just  dropping your camera angle and using good lights makes a tremendous difference. I spend more time fiddling with the lights than any particular camera setting.  The good news is that lights are cheap.  If I recall the advice I was given,  incandescent, halogen, or tungsten will all work.  Fluorescents are a no-no.

Lance

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Russell Postlewaight

Model Railway Photographs

IMHO There are 6 "musts" for good model train photography:

 

1.   Good lighting - if you can move it, outside in well lit shade. Full blown sunlight is too severe on our built for   indoors models. If you can't take it outside light your subject with at least two lights. Turn off the on camera flash unless that is absolutely all you have.

2.  Accurate Focus with well defined depth of field. Don't use out of focus as a means to hide bad or incomplete modelling. Your eye will in fact compensate for this and you will "see" these compromises.

3.  Good clean backgrounds unless you are obviously shooting a layout under construction

4. A good strong tripod - for ultra sharp and steady images.

5.  Make the main subject or reason for the photo obvious. Don't make the viewer try and guess what he is supposed to be seeing.

6. The BEST modelling you can do.

 

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Tom Patterson

Ditto...

the last several comments, Lance. That's some beautiful modeling and photography. And thanks for the tips.

Tom Patterson

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Joe Brugger

Techniques

Indirect light works very well with model shoots because it diffuses and softens light. People don't often use the technique because it is always difficult to get enough light on a subject. 

Diffusers can be color-neutral muslin or cheesecloth (adds a warm tone). Reflectors can be anything from sheets of foamcore board to fancy commercial umbrella reflectors. There's always the option of bouncing light off the room ceiling -- but you get weird shadows with valances and overhead piping in the mix.

Incandescent lights are nice because they let the shooter see the scene, and essential for video because they are on constantly. But Charlie, Kevin Klettke and myself can testify that "enough light" can turn a layout room into an Easy-Bake Oven.

With the instant review digital photography allows, some of the old objections to still photos with electronic flash have been overcome, and strobes are getting smarter and easier to handle all the time.

 

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bear creek

Sunlight -- don't leave home without it.

For an example of what lighting a diorama with sunlight can do, take a look at the cover of the December Model Railroad Hobbyist. Ken Patternson moves portions of his basement layout outdoors into his back yard and uses the Mississippi River for a distant background. If the shadows are too stark he uses bounce cards to add in some fill lighting.

Nothing looks more realistic than real sunlight. But here are a few suggestions for when real sun light isn't practical.

Approximating this indoors requires:

If you want to take photos that look "real" here are some hints and tips...

o  a good balance between a single direct light to simulate the sun and a very diffuse sky bowl light. The direct sunlight should be redder than the skybowl. For example, use a halogen for the direct light and 4100K fluorescents (with at least at CRI of 85). Set the camera to about 3200K white balance for daytime or 3000K for a redder late afternoon effect. Experiment like crazy to balance the amount of indirect and direct light and the white balance of the camera.

o  the primary direct (sun) light needs to be far enough away that  it is "small" relative to the scene in the way that the sun appears to be "small" to us. Primary light rays should be at least somewhat close to parallel. This says that a large diameter lamp will need to further away. Keeping the light further away also has the benefity of reducing light fall-off from the nearest part of the scene to the furthest. If you light a 4' deep scene with a lamp that's 2' from the nearest part of the scene, the furthest part of the scene is now 3 times further away.  The intensity of lighting falls off rapidly as distance increases. A light that is too close will result in very amorphous, poorly defined shadows. Real shadows, tend to be pretty well defined (unless the object casting the shadow is far away from from the shadowed surface.

o  white balance -- I already mentioned this. I'm mentioning it again. The best way to accurately white balance a digital camera is to shoot a photo of a neutral gray card and let the camera figure out what red, green, and blue, compensation is needed to make it really white.  Using auto-white balance usually doesn't work terribly well. Using the builtin incandescent white balance usually results in a reddish/yellow photo. It's better to get the white balance right in the camera rather than postprocessing color balance with software (such as photoshop).

o  don't use too much fill light. Shadows should be dark. Inky black shadows may be too dark (and even the best digital cameras don't have the dynamic range to register bright highlights and still show detail in the dark areas.). If the shadows are too dark, try adding *little* bit more fill light. It's easy to get too much fill lighting -- when that happens all the shadow ares start looking really unnatural -- a bit like a 93 year old super model with too many face lifts and too much makeup.

o  most modern digitral cameras do pretty well in low light. This is especially true for DSLRs. You don't need to have enough photo lights turned on to make you squint in the brilliance. Many a great photo has been snapped with lighting that feels really dim. The key is often to make the lighting feel "delicate" rather that blast the subject into submission with a salvo of photon torpedos.

o  flash lighting is a whole different ball game. I'd recommend not getting into it unless you're prepared to spend some $$ to get a primary (direct) speedlight and at least one, additional diffuse (bounce) light. Getting a bounce, slave strobe with a stand and umbrella diffuser is probably a good idea. Think the kind of equipment a photo studio uses to take family portraits.

 

The above is mostly aimed at taking "art" style photos. If you're shooting snap-shots for a photo album or are taking "product" photos, much of the above can be ignored.

 

Cheers,

Charlie

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