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Here's some "best of" photos from the just recently conducted op session on my HO Siskiyou Line.

(Moderator note: Originally posted in 2008 but was marked as spam, so we're resurrecting it.)


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Cam Cotrill conducts on the Coos Bay Hauler East

Three SD9s on the point of the Coos Bay Hauler East labor to pull their train upgrade out of Myrtle Point, Oregon. Here we see the train coming out of Tunnel 3 on the coast branch, and rumbling over King Creek as it approaches the gravel quarry at Remote, OR.

The track here is about 63" from the floor, making for a fabulous view of the trains as they climb up the 2.5% grade out of Coos Bay. These Lifelike Proto 2000 SD9s have sound and a fully operating set of SP gyralights and headlights.

 


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Coos Bay Hauler East rolls over Tenmile Creek trestle

About a fast clock hour later (8:1 - so about 7 real minutes later), the Coos Bay Hauler East rolls over Tenmile creek trestle. Just ahead is Camas Mountain and Tunnel #2, as the train starts its last climb on its way to Roseburg, OR, the I-5 corridor, and Oregon's Willamette Valley.

This scene is only about 12" wide at the road, and 18" wide at the conifer tree along the fascia on the right. This scene was the focus of my scenery video volumes 4&5, where I show how I took this scene from bare benchwork to the finished scene you see here. We're looking down at this scene from the 15" raised floor at the west end of Roseburg yard on the layout's upper deck.

 


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Coos Bay Hauler East reaches Roseburg

Another fast clock hour or so later past Tenmile Creek and Camas Mountain, the Coos Bay Hauler East reaches Roseburg yard on the Siskiyou Line main. The train has cars for Roseburg, so the tag-team yard crew of Jim Moomaw (face to us, reading car numbers) and Joe Brugger (back to us) work with the Hauler's train crew to cut out the Roseburg-bound cars.

With DCC, performing this cut out maneuver was so easy - and done prototypically as well. The cut of cars was at the rear of the train, so the Hauler just uncoupled at the front of the cut and pulled forward out of the way. Meanwhile the yard loco, SD9 4326, pulled out onto the main and coupled onto the cut. The caboose was uncoupled from the cut of cars, and the yard loco pulled the cut into the yard. Since the Hauler was headed for Eugene, the yard crew took advantage of this fact and loaded the Hauler up with Eugene-bound tonnage they wanted to get out of their yard.

With all of that maneuvering done, the Hauler pulled down to the east end of Roseburg yard to add water cars (required over mountain passes in the summer months on the railroads, by the order of the US Forest Service [absolutely true to prototype]), plus with all the extra added tonnage, the Hauler is now going to need helpers to get over Rice Hill on its trek to Eugene, OR.

All this extra shuffling is totally prototypical and adds a lot of interest to the run, as well as making it take longer - which never hurts! It was by railfanning and researching the prototype SP Siskiyou Line in southern Oregon that I learned of all these operating requirements like the water cars. I could never have come up with a better freelance technique for adding interest - this is one example where modeling the prototype faithfully paid off tremendously in adding operating interest to the run.

 


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At the east end of Roseburg Yard, the dance is underway ...

While the Coos Bay Hauler makes its way down to the east end of Roseburg yard, the shift change occurs. Second trick (shift) yardmaster Jeff Shultz (barely visible on the left) is discussing with second trick helper engineer Paul Mack what's going on with water cars and the helper locos.

Paul's doing a little dance with some head end locos, water cars, and the helper locos to get ready for the Hauler to come through and get water cars added on the head end. Then Paul will couple in his helpers mid-train and the Hauler will be off on its way up over Rice Hill and on to Eugene!

 


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With the helpers added in, it's off to Eugene!

The water cars have been added on the head end of the Hauler, the mid-train helpers have been added about two-thirds back in the train as per SP practice, and the train is off to Eugene, snaking its way across the North Umpqua river and on up the SP main.

On the extreme left is Conductor Mike Baynes, preparing to pick up a Seagull East, another Eugene-bound train that's about to leave Roseburg. I designed the Siskiyou Line to be able to handle 18 foot trains in HO, which is about 23 fifty-foot cars, plus 3-4 locos on the head end, plus two water cars, plus a two-loco helper lashup mid-train, plus a caboose (yep, the Siskiyou Line was still running cabooses up into the early 1990s - and I'm modeling the 1980s, so all trains still run cabooses). That's quite a train, and it takes a fine hand on the throttle by both the head end engineer and the mid-train helper engineer to keep from putting things on the ground.

Running these long trains with helpers is a lot of fun, and if you can make it over the road without mishap, you feel like you've really been railroadin' ...

 


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Keeping the Siskiyou Line in business - the Dillard facility

We end this brief visit of the simulated September 8, 1988 Siskiyou Line op session with a look at the Dole Turn crew at work. That's conductor Brandon Thompson lining up the car cards on the fascia shelf here in Dillard as he works out the moves he and his engineer Cam Cotrill (not shown) will need to make in order to switch this massive facility.

This one industry is a model of the huge complex that keeps the Siskiyou Line in operation, and on my HO layout, this industry runs for 12 feet and can hold over 50 railcars in its many spurs and spots. Just switching this one industry can take half a session or more, depending on how familiar you are with the job.

It's the large industries like this that accurately reflect the railroads' strength as an efficient bulk transport method. Often modelers will put an industry down that's hardly larger than a couple of box cars, and then park 3 or 4 rail cars next to it ... where does that industry get the space for all the cargo in those cars? By trying to accurately model the prototype as I've done here with the Dillard Mill, you will get a model operation that's many times more authentic, and equally, several levels more fascinating to operate!

 


I hope you have enjoyed this quick look at my recent op session. I find that planning for realistic operation on my layout keeps my interest in the hobby high, and when the guys come over for a session, a great time is had by all!

P.S. I run my layout more or less 20 years behind the current date. The op session we just conducted here simulated September 8, 1988. With this op session there was some big news - the Denver and Rio Grande just bought the Southern Pacific! Looks like next year's op sessions are going to see some orange and black power showing up on the Siskiyou Line ...

Joe Fugate​
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CabForward

Bravo!

Joe,

I'm a new comer to this unique strain of "Hobby Pox" (no known cure). Your tutorial of the ops session really drew me into the action. I look forward to reading and seeing more......


 

Rodger Cook - Sherwood, OR

 

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MarcFo45

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I've never been to an OP SES so bare with me and my ignorance.

So if I understand this Cam Cotrill runs the train. He is the engineer or  conductor. He walks the train around the layout.  The helper is added and Paul Mack also walks along  the train and they must both talk to each other to synch there actions or risk derailling the train.  That must make for some shoulder rubbing. 

How many people per train ?.  

The others are yard crews.  They each have an engine or they work together ?  Then the yard master is involved ?

How many people are part of an OP SES any way ?  While this is going on you are ?

Marc F

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joef

Here's how it works ...

We use two person crews on most trains. We had a two-person crew on the Hauler East that night.

Cam was the conductor, so he has the radio, the train paperwork, and he talks to the dispatcher.

Not pictured was the engineer on the Hauler East, Brandon Thompson. The engineer has the throttle and runs the loco. The engineer's job is also to do what the conductor says, since the conductor is in charge.

The engineer job is great when we have visitors to an op session. We just hand you a throttle and tell you to follow the conductor's orders. Very easy.

With helpers, things get more interesting, because now there are two engineers - both of whom must follow the conductor's orders. So when pulling out of Roseburg with helpers, the Coos Bay Hauler East had a head-end engineer, Brandon Thompson, a helper engineer, Paul Mack, and a conductor, Cam Cotrill. Cam's the boss. The conversation when running helpers goes something like this:

Cam: Okay, the dispatcher has given us clearance to Rice Hill, so let's roll!

Brandon: I'm set here, you ready in the helpers, Paul?

Paul: Ready.

Brandon: Okay, start pushing.

Paul (after a moment): Pushing, throttle at 1/4.

Brandon: Okay, throttle at 1/4 up front ... a-n-d we have motion!

Paul: Motion here!

Cam: Motion in the caboose!

And so it goes ...

As a general rule, it's best if the entrained helpers start gently pushing first, just like on the prototype when running mid-train helpers. When running helpers, it's good for the two engineers to keep an eye on the mode - the spot where the coupler compression changes from no slack to slack. As long as it's about halfway back in the train (and just a few cars ahead of helpers that are 2/3rds of the way back in the train, as per SP practice), then both locos are balancing the work and the chance of throwing stuff on the ground (derailing) is minimized.

Done properly, the engineer stays up front and keeps an eye on just the front of the train. No fair cheating and walking out way ahead of the train, since the real life engineer can't see that far ahead - just the track immediately in front of you!

The conductor watches the rear end of the train, and also should keep an eye on the train from the rear forward, watching for issues (coupler problems, something not tracking right). In other words, the conductor has to railfan the train while the engineer concentrates on running it. I know the conductor's job railfanning the train is a tough assignment, but somebody's gotta do it!

Joe Fugate​
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joef

As to your other questions ...

How does the yard work?

We typically have a yardmaster in Roseburg yard, and he's the boss of all movement within Roseburg yard limits. Trains entering yard limits must move at slow speed and advise the yardmaster of all their movements. Best is to ask the yardmaster when entering the yard what he wants you to do, where he wants you to go, etc. Surprising the yardmaster could mean you will run afoul of other movements in the yard, so that's not good. On a full sized railroad, you could be risking people's lives by not checking with the yardmaster first!

The tag-team situation we had this op session was not typical, but it works. One person can keep track of train movements in and through the yard while the other can focus on sorting cars.

What do I do during an op session?

It varies. I really enjoy watching the railroad come to life and railfanning all the train activity. So I often roam around with a camera taking photos of the action. I also act as crew caller for the trains coming up off and on. Finally, I may get the itch to run a train, so I'll sign up as a conductor or an engineer on a train. A couple sessions ago I did the train thing all session long and had a total blast. But when I run trains, I'm not documenting the op session with a camera, so there's a downside for the rest of you when I get an urge to just run trains!

The nice thing is the layout runs well enough I seldom have to get involved in an op session and I like that! It leaves me free to railfan, photograph the action, kibitz with dispatch or the yardmaster when things are slow - or run trains when I get the itch.

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feldman718

op sessions

You have the best of all worlds here. But then it's good to be the king (of your layout anyway).

 

I am still in the building phase here and, unfortunately, the model railroad club I belong to (Brooklyn N-Trak) only has run sessions where we run our trains but no operating sessions. I'd love to be part of an operating session but I don't know anyone who has those. NYC isn't exactly model railroad mecca. So I have to do it vicariously by reading descriptions of these or watching them on video.

BTW, your 5 DVDs on the Siskiyou are great. I'll be buying a few your other DVDs shortly. If their only half as good as the 5 I have they'll be more than worth the money.

Irv

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ChrisNH

Roseburg feels like home now

After watching the op videos several times Roseburg feels like home!

Thanks for sharing the photos and the report!

Chris

“If you carry your childhood with you, you never become older.”           My modest progress Blog

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jeffshultz

Come visit...

...we'll make you first trick yardmaster.

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bear creek

Opsig.org

Irv,

Have you considered joining the Operations Special Interest Group (opsig) of the NRMA? NMRA membership is encouraged but not required.

You'll receive The Dispatchers Office, a news letter filled with operations trivia (and not so trivia).

The opsig can also help you location op sessions in your locale.

Their website is at opsig.org with information on how to join and other particulars.

Cheers,

Charlie

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ChrisNH

The wife would love an excuse

The wife would love an excuse to come out to the left coast where she grew up!

Sadly, we are mired in "new parentville" New England with little hope of escape in the next few years.. so I will not likely get an opportunity to star in the Joe's next video "Guest Operator Bloopers" where the first trick yardmaster finds out how many cars will fit in Roseburg..

Chris

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feldman718

Operations Special Interest Group

Charlie,

I've been thinking about doing just that. I just haven't done it yet. I will get around to it and it's got to be soon.

Thanks for the information.

Irv

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ChrisNH

Opsig

They have an online membership for $5 per four issues downloadable PDF. Well worth it.

I was able to find out about and get on the list for a regional op session event in the spring.

Chris

 

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MarcFo45

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Thanks Joe  for the session,  the additional comments and  the  insight into  what goes on.  I was watching the yard in my area and could see the people moving around with their cards or paper work.  They are usually three in the engine from what I noticed.  The engineer and two brakemen I assume.  On occation a pickup would come up with papers and hop in the engine also. I assumed this was the yard master.

Who does the  cuts and such,  the yard crew only or the hauler crew usually ?

Marc F

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joef

It varies ...

Who does the cut varies, depending on who is the fastest thinker on their feet.

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Dave K skiloff

Good reading

Up until this point in my life, I've never really thought operations were that interesting.  I always figured at some point they would become interesting, but I really just enjoy watching the trains go around the layout and looking at top notch modeling (obviously, not mine).  I was told once that I should really learn about operations, because the layout will get old and boring without operating it.  At the time, I could see the merit in this comment, and I see it more and more. 

I just finished reading a "newbie" article on operations in N Scale magazine that I picked up today for the first time.  I definitely want to learn more and I'm thinking this would also be a way to draw the wife and kids into it.  I think the kids would see the operations as "play time" that they would really enjoy.  They like setting out cars and picking them up now, so I imagine this would be a lot more entertainment. 

Now the trick is to come up with a layout plan that fits my space, provides the scenes I'd like to model AND provides a decent level of operational interest, not fully understanding the whole "operations" thing.  I've got the book "Track Planning for Realistic Operation" and I think I'll pick up at least one of Tony Koester's books, too.  And I'll keep reading here and when I think I've come up with a plan, I'll post it and let the pros hack it to pieces. 

Dave
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ChrisNH

"Realistic Model Railroad Operation"

Tony's book "Realistic Model Railroad Operation" would be a good choice. 

I found the discussion on operations very helpful when trying to design a layout, both my little practice one and the larger "next one". He has a chapter where he discusses operations on a 4x8 which really illustrates how even a small layout can have rich operations.

Chris

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feldman718

operations on your layout

Tony Koester has a book on operations that was published by Kalmbach sevejral years ago. You might be interested in buying that one. It should be available thru Amazon or just about anyplce that sells this kind of book.

Irv

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kjd

My view of Rice Hill

RiceHill.jpg I was the helper crew on the Coos Bay Hauler.  Our orders said to stop on the main at Rice Hill.  Our train was so long the caboose was left sitting on the switch.

While we were waiting for traffic to clear up in Cottage Grove so the water cars and I could get cut out, I walked back past the caboose and got a shot of the semaphores guarding the west end of the siding.

Maybe I will be able to get a better shot in the future as this one is a little blurry.  After about 45 minutes in Photoshop it looked more like I thought it should but if anyone wants to see Joe's ceiling, I could post that as well.

Thanks for the fun trip, Joe,

Paul Mack

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joef

Wow, that Photoshop sky does wonders!

Wow, Paul, what a cool photo! That Photoshop sky certainly looks way better than my ceiling!

We'll have to try this photo again - this time with the semaphore arms on the right horizontal like they should be.

This photo is still way cool, though ...

Joe Fugate​
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bear creek

Jeesh...

Paul, you're one sick puppy! What a cool thing to do to a snap-shot. Took me a bit to realize where this was! So much more photogenic that Joe's ceiling! (the ceiling is less than 12" above that caboose in real life).

Charlie.

 

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Dave K skiloff

Just bought the book

I went to the LHS today and found Tony's book, so I'm going to read it this weekend and start trying to figure out a plan.  I'll probably have some questions for you experts out there, too.

Dave
Playing around in HO and N scale since 1976

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joef

That's what we're here for!

Dave:

Be happy to try and answer some questions - that's what we're here for!

 

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marcoperforar

distances separating Roseburg yard tracks

Hi Joe,

It looks like the separation of Roseburg tracks is wider than one normally sees for HO scale yards.  I'm curious to know your methodology for deciding how much track separation is used.  Thanks!

 

Mark Pierce

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joef

I added ...

I added an extra 1/2" - 3/4" to allow for long equipment overswing on the curved yard tracks and to allow room for fingers when picking up or placing cars in the yard using the 0-5-0 method (my 5-fingered hands).

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ChrisNH

Nice photo!

Nice work Paul! Its amazing how much drama a sky can bring to a scene!

Chris

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