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ufffam

Excellent article -

Wish there was more but thankful for what there is here.

Bill Uffelman

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Larry Smith MMR

TM&P

Bill

I'm trying to locate more information on the railroad.  My primary source is from the now defunct Three Rivers Historical Society.  I do know there was some information published by a NRHS chapter in Virginia, but I have yet to find copies of their magazine to see what is in it.  I have an operating scenario for the railroad that was not included in the article based on the timetable that was published, however I don't have a copy of the timetable.  If there is enough demand, I could put together the scenario and put it in a blog for everyone to read.

 

Larry Smith

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ufffam

Operating scenario

Would love to see whatever you come up with.

I am finishing construction of my 9.5 x 22 RR room in the garage and mulling over what kind of layout to build. An On3 or On30 Appalachian common carrier would be a neat alternative to an On30 Maine 2 footer or another western mining line.

Bill Uffelman

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scificb1

More info please

Would love as much info as you have or can find. This is a perfect match to what I have in mind for my fictional railroad the Southern Mountain. I have a back story for my railroad but this fills in the details. 

What a great article !

Carl Brannin 

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scificb1

How much is enough?

I really enjoyed your article on the TM&P. Any information you left out would be helpful to me. I am developing details for my fictional railroad the Southern Mountain. Your article came at the most opportune time.

Thanks in advance

Carl Brannin 

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dssa1051

Interesting RR/interesting area

Once again pure luck saved information on an interesting RR that we may have never known about.  Even though I live in Michigan the Cumberland, MD area has long been one of my favorites.  I'm currently looking for information on a RR a bit farther west with a B&O connection the Castleman River RR.

Robert Oom

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ericlombard

Builder's lots for the TM&P freight cars

Here is the relevant and complete information available on the orders from ACF for the TM&P freight cars*:

Lot #     Qty     Road                                               Date Order            Note                         Build Site

6430      1        Twin Mountain & Potomac Rwy.     11/-21-1911           25 T NG SU Flat      Huntington

6431      7           "         "                "             "          11/-22-1911           25 T NG SU Box            "

6432    10           "         "                "             "          11/-22-1911           25 T NG SU Gond          "

*Taken from document preserved by Al Westerfield and available from the Railroad Data Exchange Collection

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Mtneer

Local History

I greatly enjoyed your article about the Twin Mountain and Potomac Railroad and am thankful that the builder’s photos were saved from near destruction.  I caught up on my reading over the holidays and was pleasantly surprised to come across an article on a “local” subject.  The TM&P is near and dear to me as I drive along part of its route from Keyser to Burlington every day.

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whsander

TM&P modeling

This article, when I first read it a couple of years ago sold me on taking a crack at modeling the TM&P. 11 months ago we moved into our retirement home which has, among it's many attractive features, a separate 11'x23' basement room that the Wife has agreed to let me use for a model room. Here is my current plan:

I have, in my accumulated war chest, two PFM HOn3 RGS #20 4-6-0 locomotives in brass. They aren't terribly far off from the TM&P Baldwins. I plan to replace the cabs, stacks, smokebox fronts, sand domes and a few other things with items from the Precision Scale line of parts. While I have the engines apart I'll be installing new can motors and DCC. I figure that adding a second equal section to the smokebox in place of the half section currently ahead of the stack will bring the front end profile out to where it needs to be. The valve gear is the big switch- I may have a set from a donor mech that will do.

I'll replicate a few pieces of the original freight and passenger equipment, but in keeping with my new backstory for the railroad I'll be adding a hodgepodge of other equipment. MY TM&P will differ from the original in that the B&O did take over the line in 1918 when the holders of some coal leases approached them and they cooked up a plan to extend the line up to Scherr at the foot of the Alleghany Front, just beyond the Greenland Gap, beginning from the point where the original line turned up Elliber Run to Russelldale. The B&O also did away with the Knobley Mtn- Liller Run switchbacks by bringing the line a bit further South for a passage through the Grayson Gap with a nice manageable run that doesn't need switchbacks. The business plan is for coal mined on the slopes of the Front or just at the top to be chuted down to a loader operation, be loaded in hoppers and transported down to a washer/sorter plant near Keyser, in the area of Limestone.

The TM&P will be dual gauged from Keyser Jct to the coal plant, as well as parts of the existing yard operation. The newly expanded TM&P will feature seasonal fruit traffic from the farms along the way, carloads of logs loaded here and there for a sawmill near Keyser, and year round coal traffic from Scherr to the plant at Limestone. I envision a railroad that functions much like a WV cousin of the East Broad Top, albeit somewhat smaller and having a WV back country, B&O flavor. (TM&P lettering and logo, but B&O paint and fonts on the equipment, cabooses that look quite a bit like scaled down B&O cabin cars, etc) I'll even have one dual gauge track into Keyser's B&O station, so that a true connection for passengers and mail can be made at the town, rather than passengers and mail having to make their way out to the cornfield yard halfway to Limestone that was the original terminus of the TM&P. This will allow me to model just a bit of Keyser proper, including the station and the stately Mineral County Courthouse, which can still be seen just a block from the mainline through town.

I plan on operating two 4-6-0s that represent the two original TM&P engines, as well as some older moguls to switch the Scherr and Keyser yard areas and a consolidation that the B&O purchased on the second hand market, along with used freight cars from a number of different roads and builders. My vision is to build a TM&P that became a B&O narrow gauge subsidiary made suddenly profitable by tapping into WV coal as a primary payload commodity, but that still managed to keep the back country narrow gauge shortline flavor, at least in part.

(BTW- After going over topo maps and mineral charts, I'm convinced that a real opportunity was missed here, and the TM&P could have lived through the 20's and 30's hauling coal from the Scherr area down to Keyser- The coal is there, and it is being mined today. It's a very plausible what-if)

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Thisguy22

The one that started it all...

Mr. Smith your article was very well done, and the numerous pictures were a great touch.  I still browse through from time to time.

I stumbled across this article when it was first published, and it couldn't have come at a better time. Between the desire to do something totally different in the hobby and my fascination with my local history, the little narrow gauge line was just irresistible.

Two years later, I've finally got the time and resources to start building a small layout, complete with a narrow gauge ten-wheeler.

 

-Ben

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thdouglas

Great article

My father in law purchased Twin Mountain and Chert Orchards in 1986.  I have spent lots of time up there over the years.  He has told me much of the railroad history, and one can walk along the old track route in parts of the farm.  This was a very thorough and interesting article.  Learned a lot about the history of the railroad and it’s course through the valley up to Keyser.  

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DMcFall

TM&P Article

I am gathering information about the TM&P for the Western Maryland Railway Historical Society. I would be very interested in learning more about the TM&P track configuration at Keyser. One note indicated that the WM may have looked at the TM&P as a possible acquisition. The WM already had a bridge across the Potomac and track into Keyser to interchange with the B&O.  

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