ChrisNH

doboro02.jpg It is finally time to get something built in HO scale. In this entry I am going to describe the layout I am planning with a focus on the 20"x120" section I am going to start with. The larger layout will include Waldoboro on the Maine Central's Rockland branch but my first effort will be focused on the village of Winslow Mills a few miles to the northwest of Waldoboro.

Those of who have followed my efforts know I have been working on a small chainsaw layout in N scale. I plan to continue my work on that. There are things I still want to learn about finishing a scene with a large amount of water. When its done, I will take some pictures, have a drink, and tear it down.

I made a switch in direction to HO scale when I realized I wanted to do an early period model railroad set at the turn of the century.  My research has lead me to an interest in the Maine Central Railroad between 1900 and the start of World War I. Over time I came to focus on the Rockland branch.

The Wikipedia shares the following mileposts:

  • Milepost 0: Brunswick junction with Maine Central Lower Road and Lewiston Branch
  • Milepost 8.7: Bath - Major Shipyard
  • ---- Kennebec River crossed by Ferry until 1926
  • Milepost 9.5: Woolwich
  • Milepost 20: Wiscasset interchange with narrow-gauge Wiscasset, Waterville and Farmington Railway from 1895 to 1933
  • Milepost 27.1: Newcastle
  • Milepost 28.9: Damariscotta Mills
  • Milepost 31.7: Nobleboro
  • Milepost 38.5: Waldoboro
  • Milepost 45.3: Warren - Interchange with the Georges Valley Railroad. I almost modeled this obscure shortline for my first effort but didnt want to deal with a wye at both ends.
  • Milepost 52.4: Thomaston  - Brick Yard in my time, huge dragon cement plant now. Served by the Rockland, Thomaston, and Camden Street Railway. Prisoners came in here for the state prison.
  • Milepost 56.6: Rockland - Extensive lime works, quarries, and other industries. Railroad docks including ferry connections to Penobscot Bay. Interchange with Limerock industrial railroad. Served by the Rockland, Thomaston, and Camden Street Railway. Steam to electric interchange may have happened. Still researching.

On any given day in my time period as many as 14 trains would be scheduled. Perhaps more if you include undocumented extras or multiple sections. These trains vary from scraggly locals to the Bar Harbor Express, the top train in the MCRR Roster. As a note, I use MCRR because in my time that's what it was. You will know it as MEC until Guilford took over in the modern era.

Ok.. so we have a busy 56.6 mile branch that interchanges with three other railroads including a 2 footer. It has a car ferry on one end and a wharf on the other.The coastal route included a relentless series of bridges and painfully scenic Down East coastal townships.  There is heavy industry, wharfs, derelict schooners on sand bars. It doesn't get much better then that. My first attempts at designing a railroad tried to encompass all of that. After filling my basement with three decks I realized that the entirety of the branch would have to wait. I needed to find a small part to focus on for my first effort at period modeling.

I considered just modeling Rockland, but even that proved too ambitious for my current time and budget. I lamented given up on the chance to string catenary, but I had to find some small part of the line I could model quickly and cheaply. I would prefer it didn't include an excessive amount of structures and didn't need to swallow too many cars since at this point in time I own one.

I eventually settled on the small town of Waldoboro and the village of Winslow Mills to the northwest. These were very typical of the time. Rather then numerous spurs found on modern layouts many towns in this time were served by a house track. Only the largest and busiest shippers got their own spur. Industries were either located right on the house track or carried their goods too and from freight cars parked somewhere  on the track. Sidings would be included as a third track or found to either side of the location.

ow_mills.jpg Winslow Mills was a small village with a surprising number of industries. The two Sanborn map snippets here are actually adjoining. You can see one house that exists on both pieces.

On the first map there is a small depot, several interesting storage buildings, a small cannery, a granite works, and a building for barrels. Lumber piles suggest the nearby lumber mill and provide another logical destination for freight cars.

The second map shows what would be the signature building in the scene, the Vannah Chute Grist Mill. On the other side of the dam is a saw mill. While it would be a remarkable scene if modeled in it's entirety, I will likely only be including the ist_mill.jpg portion of the facility that includes the grist mill. The little wooden bridge would be fun to model too but  it will likely also be a fatality of room geometry.

The steel bridge on the map is about 60 feet long. Contemporary maps show a longer 120 foot truss bridge which exists today. I am relieved that in 1912 it appears to be only a smaller plate girder bridge. Likely the shoreline eroded away over time necessitating a longer bridge.

 Also note the cooper's shop. Likely the barrel storage on the first map is associated with this shop. With the lime industry so prevalent in the area it is likely they did a brisk business sending barrels to Rockland.

doboro03.jpg  To the left is my adaptation of Winsow Mills designed to fit in a modest part of my basement. The black border shows the module I am planning to build first and how it will integrate into the rest of the layout. While it would be small to the point of uselessness as a siding, this is intended only as a house track. One presumes there was a siding associated with the station either before or after where trains could pass. Operationally, I will consider this to be in staging. This will explain why an east bound train pops in as soon as a west bound train hits staging.

The bottom portion of the layout heads to staging, sure to be cleverly hidden by scenery as it curves away, and the top potion will continue on to Waldoboro on the other side of the layout. A backdrop will physically divide the spaces. As you will see when I present the full plan, a helix will create a time divide between the locations and insure that we don't have any cases where the train in one town backs into the next.

Besides the usual squeeze, the biggest compromise in my plan is direction. Crossing the bridge should be heading west, not east as I have it. However, if I want to preserve the actual track geometry and not have my mainline curving unrealistically into the mill pond this seemed reasonable. A pity since flipping things would put the cannery inside the layout where it could exist as something more then a waybill entry. I may move it to the other side of the tracks anyway but I do need to keep in mind one of my druthers is minimizing build time. Lots of fancy structures won't help me so its probably best to suggest it through freight.

The absence of the coopers storage was pure oversight on my part. I plan to include the shed and the lumber piles at the bottom of the layout. Talk about a cheap industry! The sawmill on the other side of the mill pond can be suggested through sound. I am a big believer that without ambient sounds, locomotive sounds become tiresome. The sound of the sawmill will help provide ambiance, explain the wood piles, and hopefully take less time then building a dam and another mill! Other sounds to include here are water over the dam, wind in the trees, and the occasional sounds of workmen and the granite shed. Ok, I am getting off the subject..

So how does this fit into the big plan? To the right is the current design. boro01_0.jpg 

This plan is adapted from Ian Rice's Siskiyou Short Line found in "Mid-sized and Manageable Track Plans". While the actual subject and track plan is completely different, the general shape of the layout is very similar. Having my staging yard behind Waldoboro and made continuous with a hidden turn back for east bound trains (Winslow Mills is West toward the Woolwich Ferry, Waldoboro is East toward Rockland) was a later addition. My computer will sit under that loop.

I wanted something that was, well, mid-sized and manageable. I wanted a plan that could fit within constraints that don't exist now but may be built in the next year or two. I especially wanted something that could be constructed with major scenes built as sections that could become part of a larger Rockland Branch layout later. I did consider Free-Mo pieces since I have joined a free-mo group but the need to center a track within a two foot wide section was too constraining. Too bad, I had designed a system where 9 foot sections on rollers could house sets of four foot modules so the whole thing could be disassembled and rolled aside when I needed to do big wood working stuff in the basement.

The Staging yard is 3" below the level of Waldoboro making it easy to hide. A step onto a step stool will make it clearly visible and easily accessible. There is some room in the design to fuss about with how things are when I go to fit the final bits in.

I need to move the helix a little to make room for the river under the bridge, but otherwise its pretty tight. I will present details of Waldoboro next time. Suffice it to say it is encrusted with interesting and probably expensive structures. Booth Brothers Granite was an unexpected surprise on the Sanborn maps.  I would prefer it was on the other side of the helix since its just down the road from Winslow Mills but it just doesn't want to work that way. Its a double sided track I think, but the single end spur fits and operationally its interesting. Loads for Rockland will get taken to Winslow Mills and picked up by an East bound local. Unless, of course, I can figure a way to have poling work. I figure that cut stone will go West to market, uncut stone will go East to Rockland. I have a fantastic little map of a small cutting facility in Rockland with multiple spurs, a wharf, and a critter shed I will put up here sometime that I think would make a great destination.

I think that's enough for now. I expect to be starting in on the Winslow Mills section in fairly short order. I have wood, I have rail, and the basement is warming up. The next year should be fun! I do love N scale but I get that on several local layouts in my group. Not too many people in my area model pre-USRA.

Future installments will be my design for Waldoboro, operational plans, and of course updates on my actual construction.

Regards,

Chris

Details I omitted:

Min Radius: 24"

Turnouts: #6, curved are 36r/24r

Train length: Max about 12 cars. That length is tested with Bachman 4-4-0 on a similar helix "real world". Siding at Waldoboro should accomodate.

The corner of the layout with the helix will be hidden behind a view block, ala Craig Bisgeier's Bellinadrop. There were no significant grades on this line and its the most obnoxious outside curve.

Depending on the bridge I settle on the curve from Winslow Mills to the Helix may be a longer more gentle curve which will eliminate the only other significant visible outside curve.

The proximity of homebrew to the layout is expected to reduce productivity by 20% but increase satisfaction by 25%. A 5% profit.

 

 

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Russ Bellinis

Looks like an interesting plan, Chris.

An advantage of modeling in the 1900-WW1 era is that there were no interstate highways.  Probably few paved roads in the West.  The "latest and greatest" truck on the market would have been a chain drive Mack or Autocar with a capacity of perhaps 2-5 tons payload weight, solid rubber tires, very little suspension movement, and a top speed of 20 mph.  Hauling freight across country was entirely the domain of the railroad until after WW2.  Small steam engine like Bachmann's consolidations, Moguls, or ten wheelers would be the order of the day.  I think the first use of trailing trucks on a freight engine were probably the Mikado's built just before WW1.  36 foot freight cars like the MDC old timer series. 

I'm looking forward to seeing what you build.

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ChrisNH

Locomotives

First a correction to my post: The Ferry service ended in 1927, not 1926. Oh well.

Second: I should mention the area to the left of the layout needs to remain open for access to plumbing and to keep the layout out from under toddler flood zones in bathroom above. It makes an ideal location for an aisle..

Russ,

The first 4-6-2 was delivered in 1907. There were, I think, 5 by 1911. None of the other large loco types came on until after 1920.

The Pacifics could well have appeared on the line in front of the Bar Harbor Express. They would not have been on the line before 1909, however, when the Hercules car ferry was replaced by the Ferdinando Gorges which could carry locomotives.

I will be focusing on aquiring 4-4-0s and 4-6-0s and maybe a few 2-6-0s. For my first round with this project I am not going to worry to much on the modernity of the locos. I would love to find a well detailed piece that uses Stephenson Valve gear but they all seem to be made with more modern Walschaerts gear.

I like the roundhouse cars. They are cheap and appropriate for era. Unfortunately, many of them or Foobies. The one car I own is a roundhouse 36'. Its a carriage car. The actual car was much longer and taller, like a modern auto parts car. Would make an amazing model. As it is.. I just try not to think about it too much.

Some other stuff will need to be filled in with resin kits. If I find I hate building resin kits, I will probably have to find a different prototype.

I did think, depending on era, that I could have someone at the depot with a Model T with a bunch of people standing around examining the new contraption. It would make a great scene.

Chris

 

 

 

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Scarpia

I wish

I wish, I wish in cases like this, there was a "like" button. Chris, please keep us looped in as you go through this build.

HO, early transition erahttp://www.garbo.org/MRRlocal time PST
On30, circa 1900  

 

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bsmall

I like it!

I like where your going with this Chris. I am working on a layout set in same period as your's. Mine is a small shelf switcher arrangement in S-scale and will be centered around a wharf scene.

If you are looking towards prototype modeling then be aware that the "safety appliances act" came into effect in 1911. Basically this means more grabs and ladders need to be included on post 1911 builds. Cars built before 1911 would have been upgraded as they were shopped through the teens. I personally like the look of pre-1911 rolling stock and it certainly makes things easier to build. Here is a good site were you can see the changes over time:
http://www.columbusrailroads.com/Ralston.htm
Pay particular attention to the pre-1911 hopper cars: not a grab iron to be seen!

Also keep these cars in mind:
https://forum.mrhmag.com/post/mrh-news-blackstone-models-announces-the-release-of-utlx-narrow-frame-and-frameless-tank-cars-12187660
The frame-less version is actually a standard gauge car built 1908-1912 that was modified in the '40s to run on the Colorado narrow gauge lines. Generally modifications were simply swapping the standard gauge trucks for three foot ones. Some were swapped back and forth as traffic demanded. I have three (PBL) of them but I would probably only have one on the layout at a time: they were fairly rare even when new.

In case you haven't already found it here is a reference you may find useful:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EarlyRail/
This is the nerve center for railway modelers of our chosen period.

I look forward to following your progress.
Brian

Brian S

Camrose, AB

Battle River Railway Modellers

http://brrmodellers.ca

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Russ Bellinis

Chris, you could run the "foobies" as stand ins.

Then you have a railroad that functions and you can build more prototypically correct rollingstock.  I am wondering if the basic frame and running gear of the MDC cars would work with some modification.  Then you could either modify the car bodies or build new ones from scratch to fit the MDC frames.  If you could find a bunch of the MDC old timers at swap meets or train shows, you could get a fleet fairly quickly at reasonable prices.

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rfbranch

He's Back!

I've been looking forward to seeing what you were planning since you returned a few weeks back.  As always, a REALLY well put together post.  You're the only guy around here that can put up a post that long and get me to read the whole thing. 

I know nothing about the era you are modeling, but how difficult to acquire/expensive is the motive power you mention? 

I know this is way down the line (bad pun sorry) but how much of the 2 footer did you want to incorporate? And how would you ever model the car ferry in a way that would allow you to operate? 

Again, really nice works as always Chris.  A great read!

~rb

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ChrisNH

It did get long..

Thanks for the nice comments. It does take a bit of time to do my posts this way but I hate to waste people's time. Less posts with more content is my goal.

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Submitted by rfbranch on Thu, 2011-03-24 12:30.

how difficult to acquire/expensive is the motive power you mention? 

Not very. The Bachman Spectrum line of locomotives is affordable and very nicely detailed. I can pick up a 4-4-0 and a 4-6-0 lettered for the MCRR sans decoder for well under $100 on ebay. I saw one go for $130 with Tsunami sound, made me cry. The 4-6-0 comes in two driver sizes so i can create some variety. Inexpensive Roundhouse 2-6-0s are available if I don't mind putting in detail work. Of course, its all expensive to me.. but its within my reach over time. In the short term, Scarpia gave me a nice little 70 tonner before he left I can use to check my track work.

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 how much of the 2 footer did you want to incorporate?

Funny that. It started as a dummy track. Then it grew. The idea was to have it pop around the corner to a little section which could represent some other part of the line. I really liked the idea of having the experience of working with Narrow Gauge. Having at least some part of the WW&F has become a given for my future design, space permitting. I would really like to do it in 24" rather then 30" but despite watching ebay endlessly I never saw anything other then HOn30 and HOn3.

Building and detailing Wiscassett would take years by itself. It would make an awesome small home layout all by itself. There was a great track plan for it in Bernie Kempinski's book for both HOn30 and On30. I would have been inclined to invest less space in the engine terminal but I guess it depends on what you like to model.

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And how would you ever model the car ferry in a way that would allow you to operate? 

I wasn't going to worry too much about detailing the ferry itself. It was going to be an appropriately sized cart that could be rolled up to the apron. I did plan to model it operationally. It would be a full time job for someone who likes to sit. It was going to be on the lowest level for obvious reasons. It would be up to them to make sure they get all the freight cars back and forth from the staging yard in Bath in time to get trains made up as well as to make sure they were ready to transport passenger trains in a timely manner.

My uderstanding was that it was a 40 minute trip.. so I would probably expect 30 fast clock  minutes to roll by on each end. It would need tweaked. It would eliminate the need for fancy staging. I could even have it work more like a mole with someone taking that fast clock time to put together trains. There is definitely a difference in volume when comparing a car ferry operation like this to a car float.

Its worth mentioning that my design called for the use of a train elevator so I could stack my levels out of order. Wiscasett and Woolwich (ferry) would be on the lowest level, Rockland with its heavy switching would be on the middle level, and all the crap in between would be on the top level. So, a train would leave Rockland, go to the top level, loop around twice, then take the elevator to the bottom level. I could build Rockland, then Build Woolwich.. then go back and do the "in between" bits later.

It was all way to complicated, at least for where I am in the hobby right now. I calculated I would be done in 2056 at my current pace .

Chris

 

“If you carry your childhood with you, you never become older.”           My modest progress Blog

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AndreChapelon

Way Cool, Chris

I've been under the impression for a number of years that Maine Central's Rockland Branch would make a neat foundation for a model railroad. but I was thinking in terms of the late 1940s's. Even as late as 1950, Rockland had summer Pullman service off the seasonal "Bar Harbor Express". My first love is SP,  but Maine Central is a fairly close second (especially the Mountain Division and the Rockland Branch).

My wife and I spend 6 months in California and 6 in Maine, so any time someone talks about modeling any area in Maine, my interest is aroused.  I'm especially interested in hearing about anything to do with the Rockland Branch since our home in Maine is less than a 45 minute drive from Rockland. I'll be following your progress very closely. We plan to start the trip out to Maine in about 3 weeks.

You're already aware that Bachmann Spectrum's 4-4-0 does come decorated for the Maine Central. How close it is to an actual MC 4-4-0, I don't know, but it does look nice and makes a nice starting point. Here's a pic of one of their 4-4-0's in the early part of the 20th Century: http://www.ahrtp.com/HallofFameOnline1/pages/MaineCentralno.1194-4-0logtrain.htm It looks like an older 4-4-0 than the Spectrum represents.

MEC 2-6-0: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2397876 Running gear similar to Roundhouse 2-6-0 (with the smaller drivers), boiler more closely resembles that of the Spectrum 4-4-0.

MEC 2-6-0 Pic taken in Bath in 1914. Loco is an "upside down" Vauclain compound. The one above probably started out that way. http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2418545

MEC 4-6-0 in 1935 (built 1905). Roundhouse 4-6-0 or Varney/Bowser Casey Jones could supply the basis of the model. http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2397884 This would be essentially a "new" engine in your era.

More 4-6-0's taken in 1914. Note Fox trucks on the tender of the second loco.  http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2418440 Again Roundhouse or Varney/Bowser 4-6-0/

In my possession, I have a copy of "Rules For The Government Of The Operating Department" of the Maine Central as of 1924. It's loaded with all kinds of info including signal aspects, how lights and/or indicator flags are to be displayed, the rules for train operation, etc. If there's any information from that book that I can supply you, please feel free to ask.

Mike

 

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ChrisS

Cars and locomotives

Here's a site you should definitely check out for rolling stock: http://www.silvercrashcarworks.com/ - they tend to focus on Western prototypes, but a fair number of their kits would be appropriate for the Northeast as well, and they're exclusively turn-of-the-century models.  As with all high-quality resin kits, they're not cheap, but it seems most people modeling this era are content to have smaller rosters of highly-detailed cars.  After all, trains were much shorter in those days (for the most part).

 

As for locomotives, people always complain that the Roundhouse locos, while great performers, are lacking in detail.  Personally, I see that as a strength - the Spectrum models are very nicely detailed if you're modeling several decades later, but if you want to make them turn-of-the-century-appropriate, you're going to have to strip off all of those details (that you've paid for) and replace them.  I see the Roundhouse locomotives as a great place to start for kitbashing projects.

 

This definitely looks like an awesome project.  I'm excited to watch your progress.  It is a fascinating and much under-modeled era you've chosen.

- Chris

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ChrisNH

Thanks

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I had never seen that before. What a great site! Lots of good stuff.

Thanks,

 

Chris

“If you carry your childhood with you, you never become older.”           My modest progress Blog

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ChrisNH

Ooops

Ooops I never responded to this

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http://www.columbusrailroads.com/Ralston.htm
Pay particular attention to the pre-1911 hopper cars: not a grab iron to be seen!

Thats a great link.

Your other link was interesting too. I had been thinking, in a general way, that I may be able to convert some narrow gauge box cars to be suitable as old standard gauge box cars. That tank car is a similar kind of thing. I will need to pursue more of that kind of research. I have one tank listed as "standard oil" on the sanborn map of Waldoboro by the siding but no indication of how it would have been served. Its on the opposte side of the main from the house tracks.

I have been a regular visitor to Early Rail although of late I have not been visiting any of my yahoo groups as much.

Thanks again, the Ralston link is great photos.

Chris

“If you carry your childhood with you, you never become older.”           My modest progress Blog

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ChrisNH

A slight redesign coming

I am going to be slightly redesigning this layout to make use of active staging. This may allow me to fix my issue with having the station and the grist mill on the outside. I may be able to align the layout so it properly has the bridge and mill on the west end rather then the east end. I will need to have staging more accessible, but the desire to have staging run through will be lessened.

Stay tuned.


Chris

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tj

Good Layout ideas

 Glad I happened on your post. I like the ideas you have put together for your layout. Need to figure out how to hook it into the black bridge in Brunswick I hope to build :> )  Good to finally meet you at the NMRA get together this weekend.

tj

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ChrisNH

Likewise

Likewise, I think we have a good bunch of folks for the Free-Mo group.

As for Brunswick.. we just build a car ferry module at bath.. then we can roll the ferry across whatever convention hall we set up at... and debark the train for Waldoboro..

LOL.. wouldnt that be a sight.. and a first for Free Mo. It certainly would get people talking.

Chris

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