duckdogger


Time to upgrade my CSX fantasy scheme P2K E8 ABA set. The improvements will include new speakers from Scale Sound Systems (SSS), a new Econami 21 PNEM decoder, new LEDs, and an incredible new motherboard from fellow forum member, Nick Santo. As number board and ground lights are being added, the wire control facilitated by Nick’s board is important.

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duckdogger

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Speakers

Each loco received two LLPR-MOEU-CO8 speakers to replace the 28mm diameter HB units originally installed in the 2012 conversion to DCC. The speakers require the removal of the massive weight, if still present, and have legs which fit into the slot at the top of the frame. There are screw bosses there but the legs are notched to avoid them. Secure them with small tabs of clear siliconized acrylic caulk.

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Note, there is also an SSS speaker model designed for the newer Proto Es with speaker mounting locations in the frame weight – WPLR-E8E9-087. I have used these on my recent run Proto Es and they sound very good.

Lights

I decided to remove previously installed LEDs which were mounted in the P2K’s clear headlight/number board front piece. While the main lights were adequate, the number boards needed more illumination. I discarded the clear head light piece and created a mounting area from flat styrene and marked the mounting locations using another E for vertical and horizontal positioning.

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I used 3mm warm white for the headlight and Gyra light and 1.8mm warm white for the number boards. I added ground lights as described in my blog piece on that process.

Because of all the light wires, I used shrink tube as conduit to control the wires. The speaker mounted yellow shrink tube in photo is to route the nose light wires over the speaker. The green shrink on the frame guides the ground light wires to their connections on the motherboard.

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I eliminated light bleed with small pieces of shrink tube mounted on the lights which acted as visors.

Motherboard

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This is a 2-piece, 21 pin PCB which is slightly smaller than many motherboards. The “mommy” base (Nick Santo's Decoder Buddy board) has the 21 pin decoder connection (shown installed) plus 4 soldering pads for track power, 2 motor feeds, and 2 for a keep alive. It also incorporates 2 speaker soldering pads on each end wired in parallel to facilitate twin speakers. Sweet.

The smaller “baby” board (on the right) is removable and provides the power and function pads with integral resistors for LEDs. It is easy to remove the shell from the frame as all light wires are no longer tied to the frame mounted decoder.

This is an Econami decoder so not all the 21 pins are used. The front headlight was obvious as to which was the correct function pad and determining which baby board function pad connected to which decoder FX lighting option was not that difficult. Note I have encountered similar occurrences using TCS motherboards with the Econami.

After soldering each light’s common to the front power feed on the baby board, I used Decoder Pro’s lighting tab set all the lights to flashing strobe. I simply used small gator clips to connect a function wire to the various pads till the corresponding light began flashing. Change the lighting function to the desired effect, solder, and program.

Move to the next one. Repeated as needed until the Gyra, number boards, and ground lights were properly programed.

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(The ground light is actually much dimmer but the longer exposure makes it look more like a security light on a Wal-Mart lot.)

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Virginian and Lake Erie

Nice job duck!

Nice job duck!

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Bill Pannell Limacharlie48

Very nice, especially like

Very nice, especially like the conduit idea! Will be useful for me to explore when I open that SW7 again soon....

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duckdogger

Thank you.

Thank you.

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Nick Santo amsnick

@ duckdogger

Hello and thanks for the plug on the Decoder Buddy!  I’m absolutely impressed with the installation and the results. When we go to Wikipedia and look under NEAT your locomotive should show up there!

I’ve talked with Joe and will have an article to him shortly as well as a website where the Decoder Buddys can be purchased very soon.

Great job on the locomotives, procedure and post!  

Thanks for sharing!

Now I’ve got another project, adding ground lights!  ( :> ))

Nick

Nick

https://nixtrainz.com/ Home of the Decoder Buddy

Full disclosure: I am the inventor of the Decoder Buddy and I sell it via the link above.

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Virginian and Lake Erie

How much weight was lost from

How much weight was lost from the locomotive and how did that affect the units power to pull cars?

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jeffshultz

You've taken Nick's board further than I have

I've fit the board in one of my Atlas GP38s that masquerades as a GP39-2 on my layout. I'm using a Tsunami2 21PNEM:

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Jeff Shultz - MRH Technical Assistant
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Modeling a fictional GWI shortline combining three separate areas into one freelance-ish railroad.

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Nick Santo amsnick

Compatibility table for installation.

Hi All,

The Decoder Buddy is going live a little more each day.  A non-issue  but call for a heads up is the labeling of pins for the outputs.  The different Manufacturers have different designations as well as compatibility’s.  The Table below is not complete but accurate for the moment.

Pin #     LokSound    SoundTraxx

V4             T2 & E2

Decoder

Buddy

3              A6

4              A4                 Fx6

7              F0r                F0r

8              F0f                F0f

13             A3                 Fx5

14             A2                 Fx4

15             A1                 Fx3

17             A5

At the moment I haven’t ascertained the pin outs for TCS or other decoders.  I also assume for the moment that the above table will fit most of the available models depending only on the number of outputs.

http://www.nixtrainz.com is getting on line as I have time.  I’m sure there are some kinks in the track that will need attention there too!

Nick

Nick

https://nixtrainz.com/ Home of the Decoder Buddy

Full disclosure: I am the inventor of the Decoder Buddy and I sell it via the link above.

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Nick Santo amsnick

@ Jeff

Looks good so far!  Nice neat installation.  We did our sugar cubes the same way independently, one up and one down.  Good sound that way.

Check out the compatibility table above if you want to get fancy with lights.

Thanks for posting the picture!

Enjoy!

Nick

Nick

https://nixtrainz.com/ Home of the Decoder Buddy

Full disclosure: I am the inventor of the Decoder Buddy and I sell it via the link above.

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duckdogger

@Rob in Texas

The weight loss on the original Life-Like design P2K Es was in the range of 10 ounces or so. And another 3 to 4 ounces lost changing out the P2K dinosaur motor to Kato. Negative impact on tractive force, even on curving 3% grade with 10 Walthers Proto and BLI passenger cars. 

My power for the CSX consist is an ABA, all with the same modifications, but a single A has no problem. 

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duckdogger

@Jeff

Nick and his wife made a wrong turn in Denver and ended up at our home in New Orleans this week and we looked at some other possible applications. I have three ancient LL P2K SD9s undergoing the same procedure but I used an Econami PNP board as I was concerned about vertical clearances with PNEM style decoder.

Nick thinks he has solution. Stay tuned. 

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Virginian and Lake Erie

@duckdodger Interesting note

@duckdodger

Interesting note on the pulling power of the models. Would love to see your next installation, you can bet I will stay tuned. If Nick and Sue are still there tell them Rob and the guys in east Texas say hi.

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Nick Santo amsnick
I saw this today and want to add a table for 21-pin decoder output nomenclature.  I am pleased that the Decoder Buddys continue to be accepted and used throughout the community.  Enjoy! 1042CDDE-384D-4816-995C-D60D577F1EAA.png 

Nick

https://nixtrainz.com/ Home of the Decoder Buddy

Full disclosure: I am the inventor of the Decoder Buddy and I sell it via the link above.

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