JLandT Railroad

Whilst we are still in the midst of school holidays there hasn't been any time down in the layout to continue on with either the signal install and/or anything else on the layout.

 


So to get my fix and to keep the interest going I have been researching the Hershey Chocolate Factory, namely how it will operate and some of the inwards & outwards goods that can be generated.


One of the interesting things I found out was that the Hershey Factory had its own fleet of 50' Insulated box cars in the era that I am modeling.

 

 

 


So in order to represent these on the layout I had to find some suitable substitutes that would be close to the prototype and easy enough to adapt if needed.  My search started out with undecorated models, unfortunately most of these are non-existent and have been discontinued.

 

I did eventually find substitutes for both the riveted & outside braced NACC 50' box cars pictured above.

 

Atlas makes the riveted version in a BN/FGE version that once the decals are removed and sprayed would be a great substitute for the prototype.

 

 

And Athearn makes a version of the outside braced in JCL that again once the decals are removed and resprayed it will make a great substitute.

 

In the mean time until I can get to making the changes the cars will be used as is.

 

So the moral of the story is, when you research your layout more in-depth its quite possibly going to cost you more money...

 

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nbrodar

And me money!

Your research costs me money too!  Because now I need some Hershey's cars!  Though I'll probably use an Accurail car instead of the Atlas one.

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JLandT Railroad

It wasn’t me Nick...

I was just another like you that decided that I had to have them too...  Which model Accurail are you looking at?

I couldn’t find anything suitable.

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cslewis

I have to agree.

Research does cost us money. When I started mine, I figured a N&W Y6B could fill in until I really got to looking at it, There would have been a lot of changes to iron out. So I grabbed a Y from ebay for 63.00 bucks, figured I could get it running, which was just a broken ground wire. But the Y just doesn't have the right look. What with the firebox skirts and the lack of a belpaire firebox. So I guess about a year later I kinda' got lucky. Again another ebay purchase. Only this time, I managed to snag this thing to the tune of 613.00 bucks, and this thing runs with no problem. Being done is brass it should for that kind of cash outlay. But I'm glad I spent the funds on it.  Recent prices within the last few months have been in the range of 1,200.00 dollars + or minus a few hundred. But I'm not goin' to complain about it, I have the right locomotive for the right road now. GN #2036 Class R-1 2-8-8-2. Now if only I could figure out what's wrong 4-8-4 Northern, I think that would be fantastic.

Charlie

 

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rickwade

NOT prototypical, but Hershey

I have this car in my fleet.  I think that I purchased it because I like chocolate!

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Rick

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Joe Atkinson IAISfan

The more you know...

There's a saying on the Yahoo Proto-Layouts group:  "The more you know, the less you can model".  While that's true, you've proven that "The more you know, the more you can model" is true as well. 

Congrats on your finds.  It's funny how small that riveted version looks in the first prototype pic compare to even the covered hopper to its right.  Part of the fun of modeling the 70s!  I can only experience that through my prototype's MOW fleet, several members of which are old 40' and 50' boxcars of similar stature.

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Chris VanderHeide cv_acr

Riveted Car

That Atlas car actually isn't close to the riveted version, which looks like a low profile 40' car. Notice how it compares to the outside-braced NACC car that it's coupled to at left.

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nbrodar

Accurail 5100

Jas, I plan on using Accurail 5100 series cars. http://www.accurail.com/accurail/art/5100/5100.jpg
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blindog10

Hershey boxcars

The first car appears to be a converted ice reefer, or perhaps a former BAR/New Haven potato reefer. The Accirail plug-door is probably the closest model in HO. The exterior-post insulated boxcar (AAR type RBL) was built by North American Car. Both Athearn and Walthers have made models in HO. The Athearn is a far better model. But I don't recall either of them doing them for Hershey. Nor do I know of decals. I shot the brown HERX cars in Allentown Yard in 1979. They were too far away to get good shots. Scott Chatfield
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mike horton

Not sure

if first car is 40 or 50 foot length , but definitely a low profile car,3 over 3 ends

 See photo borrowed from fallen flags, remove if violation, not a former New Haven car.

Both cars built by North American car company.

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mike horton

Borrowed photo

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Chris VanderHeide cv_acr

Accurail 5100

Quote:

I plan on using Accurail 5100 series cars.
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/art/5100/5100.jpg

Not remotely close either, that's another standard 50' boxcar.

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fishnmack

Low Profile

Maybe the older Train Miniature model of a plug door boxcar could be of a better representation of the Hershey car with a low profile.  Walther's produces that model now, but the TMI cars are often found at train shows / second hand market.  With a little upgrading and care, that could be a fair model to use.

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Terence510

research is worth it

Hello Jas

Yes researching does make you spend more to make your modeling more accurate, but it is way more satisfying at the end when you do it

you have chosen 2 excellent examples to model  and add the your Hershey's project,  I would use the models you have shown here, some minor modifications and they will look more than good enough,

Are you going to weather them like in the proto photos

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peter-f

Hey - you've generated demand... now

Now Accurail needs to be listening... and I bet Hershey would love to get their markup, too.    The OP should fire off a request with the responses here, and also get himself a chip of royalties! (even if it's only a few low-cost cars)

All these companies have an interest in getting this idea rolling (pun Intended!0) and this seems to me, at least, to be a no-brainer!  

Good luck, chocoholics!   (My wife would have an increased interest in the hobby with this  on the rails.)

- regards

Peter

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blindog10

it gets stranger

Per the July 1975 Official Railway Equipment Register (ORER), this series of cars HERX 2126-2249 (62 cars remaining) was 44'0" inside length, which is a real odd length. Outside length was 46'5" (that's the length between the pulling faces of the couplers). Inside height 8'10. Extreme height 13"10. They look like they might of been stretched a few feet from a car like this: http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/natx/lvrx2012o26.jpg Note that car has a fishbelly underframe, but the sides are very similar. There's an extra foot or two on each side of the HERX car's door. North American Car was mainly a rebuilder of cars at the time. And here's one of the brownish exterior-post cars. You can see where the Hersheys placcard fell off. http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/natx/herx2290cba.jpg Have fun! Scott Chatfield
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Craig Townsend

ORER's and Car Builder Books

If you think this type of research is addictive, let me welcome you to the world of prototype research. Welcome to the world of $100-200 books dedicated to researching you prototype. I'm talking about Official Railroad Equipment Registers (ORER) and Car and Locomotive Cyclopedia's. I'm currently on the hunt for a 1971 ORER, and a few different years of Car Builder Cyclopedia's (1961, 1966, 1970). I first discovered these through Interlibrary Loans. A wealth of information to the prototype modeler. Craig
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blindog10

I'm sitting on a gold mine!

Or you've been overpaying for ORERs and Cycs. The most I've paid for an ORER was $70 for a pretty nice 1930 edition. $20 to $30 is more common. Now if you want a new one frim the publisher, it's about $450 for a year's subscription (four issues). Yikes! But that's because they only print a small number of them anymore. A victim of the internet. Several of my copies followed me home from my job at the Southern. My desk got a new copy once a year. So did every other clerk and agent's desk. That's why there are a fair number of older copies floating around. After 2000 they get a lot harder to find. The Cycs, on the other hand, were never common. Basically advertising catalogs printed every 4-5 years, they went to the guys who bought locos, cars, and parts to fix them. So there weren't that many copies to start with. $50 to $100 is typical. It's why God made train shows. Scott Chatfield
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Colin 't Hart cthart

PDF ORERs on DVD

I bought this collection of ORERs scanned as PDFs on DVD: https://www.ebay.com/itm/372120572073

It contains these ORERs: March of 1899, February of 1901, March of 1903, March of 1905, October of 1926, January of 1938, January of 1954, July of 1966, October of 1968, January of 1972 and January of 1975. It also includes Passenger Equipment Registers from 1956 and 1965 to 1971 and railroad equipment lists.

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Craig Townsend

The one copy if my ORER was

The one copy if my ORER was about $30. I'm still trying to locate a reasonably priced cycopedia.
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JLandT Railroad

Thanks for the comments & information...

Thanks to all for the feedback, information & photos.

I realise that the Atlas box cars are not the perfect match for the Hershey cars, but I’m working off the “good enough” principle for the layout.  Thanks Scott (blindog10) for the extra information, photos and research that you did too.

I like the suggestion about approaching one of the manufacturers to get some made, but as it’s been pointed out if the older HERX cars are an odd length/height I couldn’t see anyone developing molds for them.

Jas...

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peter-f

'Custom' made... perhaps not a miniature prototype

But a stock ARA boxcar with custom decoration... a common (albeit, inaccurate) 'publicity' move.

 

- regards

Peter

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Neil Erickson NeilEr

Hawaiian Passenger Cars

Why, why, why do I listen to you guys?

The Bachmann passenger cars were just fine until I started looking at the Oahu Railway cars. They seemed longer, only a bit but ... The Bachmann cars measure roughly 35'-9" over the sills so I posted the question on the Hawaiian Rail Modelers site. Damn. First class cars were 36'-9" (O.K. I can live with that) but the other cars were 42'-6" and 49'-9" depending on the year built. 

My passengers are demanding more capacity and want some less expensive transportation so I ordered a few more cars to look at taking to the cutting board. Now two windows would get me to about 41' or three up to 43'-6". I am leaning toward adding two windows but open for input. 

Anybody done this before? Where should I put the extra length? I am not excited about two cuts just to have the queen posts remain the right distance apart but ...

Neil Erickson, Hawai’i 

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Virginian and Lake Erie

Neil at the risk of being

Neil at the risk of being branded a trouble maker one of the passenger cars below was lengthened by about 6 or 8 feet. It also had a larger door installed. Adding to the length can be done and I would suspect it is easier in O than HO. 

If you click on the link or roll back to my blog you can look at some close ups of the models. They are on page 84 and I may have the captions wrong on which one was which.

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Neil Erickson NeilEr

Lengthening passenger cars

Rob - My intent is to lengthen the cars so bought several more. How much longer is not the question as well as where. Each end of the middle? Idk. 

Those look great btw. 

I got the cast off today but it will take a while to get full use of my hand. Hope you are doing well. 

Neil Erickson, Hawai’i 

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