Raphael

A friend of mine had a DCC-Ready MTH GP-35 (HO scale) for a while, and I offered to install a DCC decoder in it since after all it's just a trivial task of inserting a 8-pin decoder in there (no sound needed). I mean, how hard can it be?

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Turns out that removing the shell on that loco is more involved than necessary so I thought I'd post how I did that; maybe it may help others later. I am also providing pictures to help in that task.

First, let's look at some existing data:

  • https://forum.mrhmag.com/post/mth-gp-35-update-12194731 a thread on the same subject a few years ago. It was not helpful. People breaking tabs randomly, that's not my idea of a job well done. Sadly not even one picture of the shell removed was posted to show these tabs, as that could have been really useful.
  • The brochure in the box was the wrong one (SD70ACe!) but it can easily be found on the web site here  https://mthtrains.com/80-2177-0 then go to support and click on the little book with a flag (PDF). Unfortunately the manual only has to offer that everlasting useless comment of "squeeze the shell gently". That's never done it for me.
  • There is an extremely unusual video
    showing how to open the MTH SD70ACe by... partially opening the trucks?!! It was actually fairly eye opening.

To summarize, here's the procedure, pictures follow below:

  • First you need to remove the couplers. Maybe it's an MTH thing and I'm not used to it but the couplers are attached using a small plastic piece. This is clear in the PDF anyway.
  • Next, it would have been really useful to know that both the narrow hood+cab shell and the deck+handrails come off. There is no need to detach the handrails from the cab. But the trick is that they are still two parts and then didn't come off easily even once the main tabs were loose.
  • The narrow hood shell had 4 tabs.
  • The front tabs are under the front truck right in the middle. You can actually see them through the truck. I used toothpicks and inserted them through the truck, pushing the tabs outwards. Then I slightly lifted the cab by a millimeter or two, enough to prevent the tabs from closing.
  • The rear tabs are under the front wheel on the rear truck. I was in no mood to disassemble the truck like in that video above. By turning the truck one way, it exposes enough of one tab to insert a toothpick and push the tab outwards. Then lift the shell just a tiny bit. Remove the toothpick, turn the truck the other way and repeat.
  • At that point it gets a bit tricky because the hood was trying to lift but not the deck with the handrails! That does get handled by unsticking them gently at the front and rear part of the chassis where the couplers go.
  • Once all that was done, I was able to lift the shell by maybe a quarter of an inch. Then something seem to hang on to it again. Turns out that inside, on the plastic that holds the circuit board there are 2 more tabs and they rub against the shell at some point. By carefully tilting the shell sideways back and forth, I passed both tabs through the narrow hood.
  • The next and luckily last surprise is that the wires for the lights are really short. Barely enough to move the shell on the side.

Picture with the toothpicks. The front truck was easy as the tabs can be seen through the trucks. Just place the toothpick on the inside so that the tabs get pushed outwards. On that picture you can see the shell being a bit removed on the front, with the deck and the cab going their separate ways... yet still held by the handrails.

The rear truck one is harder... by turning the truck I could barely see one of the tab opening so I tried my best to guess where to insert that toothpick, move the shell a bit, then repeat for the other side.

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Below is a picture with the shell starting to get off. To get there I had to free the deck which was stuck around the frame where the couplers are held. At that point it got tricky again because there are 2 tabs on the inner board support and the light wires are really short and were getting in the way. 

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This is the final result with the shell fully open. This is as far as I can pull it due to the short light wires, but it's going to be enough to install an 8-pin decoder. On this picture you can clearly the outer shell tabs and were they clip on the frame. You can also see that little tab on the board support. Tabs on the other side are identical.

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Now all these wires mean that closing that thing is also going to be an exercise in patience and frustration.

Anyhow, I hope this will help next time someone needs to deal with that kind of loco.

Ralf~
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Warflight

Hmmm...

Got anything on removing the windows? I have a P2K BL2 undecorated that I need to paint, and masking isn't an option. I want to remove the windows.

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ajcaptain

Frustrating

I actually called MTH when I couldn't get the shell off.  They told me that once the couplers were removed, the shell should come right off.  They had one right in front of them as they were talking with me.  Of course, mine wouldn't budge. Some guys at a train store finally got it off for me, breaking the tabs of course.

Most manufacturers have directions for shell removal in their instructions.  Frustrating that MTH made shell removal so complicated on some of their units, and offer zero guidance on how to do.

On the other hand, a very good running loco.

John C

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ludwig49

Same on MTH GP38-2

The GP-38 from MTH has the same system.  I called MTH CS and they gave me the wrong instructions. Finally got it off, stripped the paint, and there it sits.  I don't relish the re-assembly, it's going to be a pain.

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ludwig49

Have you tried Fineline

Have you tried Fineline Masking Fluid?  I get it at Hobby Lobby, it applies easy and come off easy.  Makes a nice margin.  It will cover the window glazing and be easy to remove.

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Virginian and Lake Erie

I used a liquid masking

I used a liquid masking solution from micro mark and I thought I might have used one from Microscale as well. It might be a different brand I will look next time I go to the club I was re-organizing tool boxes a bit tonight.

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Raphael

Not just MTH

I've seen similar design and issues on Kato and Atlas engines.

They have instructions. They are just completely unrealistic and whimsical.

The instruction of "gentle squeeze the shell" or "gently rock the shell" (as Atlas does) is imho totally dishonest. On a brand new unit like this one, the tabs need to be pushed by a good millimeter or more, there is no way any amount of gentle squeezing would do that. I could see that working on a older unit that has been opened many times and the tabs have been worn out, but not on a out-of-the-box brand one.

My Athearn and Bachmann units have always been easier to open. They use actual screws on the under body. Easy to spot and easy to deal with.

The reason snapping tabs are generally used is because it's cheaper to design and manufacture (one less part to deal with, the screws) and it's a snap to assemble (pun intended). If you ever built anything, you know it's actually harder and more work to make is easy to modify later -- how many models have you glued thinking it's easier and you'll just hope you will never have to open them later?

But then these are DCC Ready units. Manufacturers know these days pretty much every owner is going to open the units to put a DCC decoder in them, and the circuit boards inside are even designed with that in mind. 

Ralf~
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Raphael

@Warflight, sorry, no idea

@Warflight, sorry, no idea about the windows. Why isn't masking an option? I see Rob gave you an answer. Otherwise I might suggest this is worth a post on its own in the appropriate forum, and if you give it the right title you'll probably get more targeted replies.

Ralf~
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Warflight

Yep...

I forgot I posted here! heh... yeah, I got it handled. The toothpick trick worked perfectly. The window gently rocked out with very little effort after gently pushing on the rear window with a toothpick.

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