stevie

The primary area I am modeling is southwest washington. It rains over 100 inches a year. I looked up Naselle and they get 114. The coast is pretty much a rainforest and so it is very green. Trees grow tall and the undergrowth can be impenetrable. So I am going to need a whole lot of trees. I will need both evergreen and deciduous trees. I also bookmarked a couple videos making evergreens from furnace filter. Some methods are better than others, even with the same material. 

 Super trees are quick and easy as far as per tree. Evergreens not so much. So I did some searching to find the plant that supertrees are made from. Its called sea foam. Or  teloxys aristata, or sometimes called zeechium and even chenopodium aristatum, and finally wormseed. I am not a botanist so I have no idea how plants get multiple names.

A lot of this information is found right here with the search function. I did some searching and found an outfit in Canada and ordered some seeds. I am going to throw a few in the front where the soil is real poor and dry. They should grow like weeds as that's what they are. I had a greenhouse here in the past. I will also build a small one for this stuff. I could use some clear heavy plastic of maybe get a sheet of fiberglass roofing stuff. A greenhouse does not have to be walk in. Only tall enough for the plants and plenty of ventilation should do it. Anyway I will take pics and keep track of my progress so if I am successful, others can duplicate this.

Edited 6-1-2016

If you are interested in growing this plant, keep reading. After 7 weeks I am have success and failures both but many of my plants are very strong and healthy. I am playing the numbers game and setting seeds and plants in multiple soils and situations so as to learn what works and what doesn't. A lot of pictures of progress so keep reading.

Edit 10/20/2016. I am rereading the entire blog. This really does not get interesting until about page 7. I mentioned the downfalls of peat moss and peat pots later in the blog but the first several pages might give you the idea that those are a good method. Late in the life of those plants it was discovered that the peat pots contributed to damping off and lots of losses. Some did turn into usable trees but most that were planted in peat pots died or bolted so early they were unusable as trees. My best methods appear to be using the square bio pots with a mix of seedling soil and sand. Those work well if you transplant them to the dirt or larger containers at 1-2 weeks. Any more than 2 weeks and the roots get clustered in the bottom of the pots.

Another method that produced some of my best plants was a mix of old compost and added organics. The compost drains real well and links I found and posted later shows the native soil to be high in decayed organic material. I placed the seeds right on top of the compost in large containers so no transplanting was necessary. I just left them alone other than occasional watering and they grew real well. You will find the photo's later in this blog.

 

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187

A link to the Canadian seed

A link to the Canadian seed house would be helpful and appreciated. Blayne

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Jazzbass

seeds

You can also, purchase Teloxys seeds from  J. L. Hudson, Seedsman Box 337. La Honda, California 94020-0337.

 

Bob

 

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Virginian and Lake Erie

Now that looks like a very

Now that looks like a very interesting idea!

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Bill Brillinger

Greenhouse plastic

I was thinking of doing the very same thing.

These people make very very good quality greenhouse plastic.
They will cut it to any size you want, and the price is decent.

http://www.northerngreenhouse.com

Cheers!

Bill Brillinger

Modeling the BNML in HO Scale, Admin for the RailPro User Group, and owner of Precision Design Co.

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Mark Nieting

Trees

Love Supertrees, with their sagebrush structure, but they are expensive and don't grow in Virginia. I visited my kids in San Diego, so along with a visit to the Balboa Park's railroads, I picked a huge box of sage and mailed it to myself....enough for scores of trees, for $15!

 

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stevie

Seed supplier

http://www.rarexoticseeds.com/en/teloxys-aristata-seeds-seam-foam-seeds-zeechium-seeds.html

I had to buy 3 pkgs to make the 15.00 minimum. So I will have a bunch of extra seeds.

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Athlon

Another seed idea

Let's come up with a seed I can plant in my basement that will grow a 20' x 40' layout.

All kidding aside - this will be an interesting experiment Stevie.

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Virginian and Lake Erie

we need pictures of the

we need pictures of the growing plants!

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stevie

Video of the coast

My modeling friend is also into drones and makes a lot of short films. Here is the coast of washington right around the corner of the mouth of the Columbia River. We actually do a little surf fishing in this area. As you can see the moss and vegetation grow right down the face of the rocks. That is common throughout this part of the state. Most of the year, when its not raining, you have fog. But its still a beautiful place to visit.

[ Fixed the video Embedding - please see how to embed video - Bill ]

To find this location on a map, it is right at the southern tip of the Longbeach peninsula.

And another video from the same area, turn up the brightness, and at the very end of the video he zooms out and you can see how the vegetation grows right into the rocks.

 

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theroo

Sagebrush in Bulgaria!

I also had this idea and found a guy on ebay ( http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271833791121) who sold white sagebrush seeds and would ship them across the world to Bulgaria. I bought five packets as it says 50 seeds in a packet and I plan to combine the modeling potential of these plants with my other interests and I have a basketball court to surround.

Anyway, when they arrived (very quickly, I may add) and my girlfriend and I started to put them into seed trays we found that each packet has many more than 50 seeds so who knows how many I'll end up with.

Most excitingly I have the first seedling just appeared over the past couple of days. I've started these off under glass which has given a chance to get going so early in the season.

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From such small beginnings, and all that

Here's to having 250 + of these thriving in my backyard and looking amazing (for the mrs) and providing me with an endless supply of trees (of course the most important thing)

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I live in an Old School in Bulgaria and I love making things, learning new stuff, and being a bit weird

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stevie

A challenge?

One of the reasons for trying to grow anything is the challenge aspect. Some stuff is not easy and so garderners take pride in being able to grow something difficult. The challenge I can see for supertrees is to not water very often. I have read bits and pieces about growing it and the less water the better.

In my front yard I had a lot of shade due to a massive cedar tree. So I took a section along the front of the house and all my sawdust from woodworking along with a bunch of beauty bark got tilled into the soil. I dug up native ferns from the back part of my lot and the property behind me before they bulldozed it. They were small when I transplanted them. After several years we took the cedar tree out and I had dozens of extremely large native ferns.

With the tree gone, they were going to get full sun. Not good as these are an undergrowth plant. I called the native plant society and for two days they showed up with volunteers and trucks and trailers and we dug all of them out. Some of these plants were over 5 feet tall and 5 feet in circumference. I only fed them sawdust. They were taken to parks around the area where they were replanted. Ferns were supposedy tough to grow. But the problem is they don't need much sun at all. Shade and lots of rotting wood sawdust and they grew massive. And that whole area was virtually maintenance free. The ferns lay down a carpet of dead branches every year and other stuff had a hard time getting started there.

Growing stuff is a challenge. Once you find what works, it becomes easy. I am looking forward to the challenge of growing trees for my layout. Heres to hoping I get to call the non-native plant society.

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stevie

So they shipped on the 29th

My email says they shipped on the 29th. 5-10 days for delivery here. I think all the stuff I order that comes from Canada takes several days longer. I also ordered some Selkirk leaves and so I got a couple pkgs I am waiting for from Canada.

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Jackh

Pride of Madera

Some of you might want to check out a plant called Pride of Madera. Bob Brown of the Gazette wrote about it a couple of times and even grew some in his CA home. He is south of San Francisco a few miles. It makes a pretty big bush and I think he said it was a good source for discidous trees.

Interesting experiment though and a great way to combine hobbies.

Jack

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Jazzbass

Pride of Madeira

Is he using the flower? The plant has thin narrow leaves and one stalk, I'm guessing when the flowers dry, it has a usable "branch shape". Here's a pic at Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Pride-Madeira-Seeds-fastuosum-Perennial/dp/B000V3XLUM

Look at the close up link from the Amazon page​.

bob

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Jackh

Good question Bob

I will keep an eye out since I have been slowly going through the Gazettes for night time reading material. He wrote about it in one of his editorials.

Anybody else know?

Jack

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stevie

Seeds are tiny!

I got the seeds and wow are they tiny. I need to split them up a bit and no way I can count that many when they are smaller than the period at the end of this sentence...............................

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stevie

I finally got around to some experimenting.

I bought a seed starter pack of 25 little seed pots and planted 2-3 in each. After just a few days, there is a few things growing in there. No idea what it is. I hope it is what I planted. If these survive I will move them to a sheltered location which drains very well and I can control the amount of water. And it is full sun. It would be pretty cool to have model railroad trees (weeds) growing in my yard.

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Montanan

Sage Brush Trees

I guess my sage brush trees are similar to Super Trees. It's easy to find here in Montana and figure that the materials such as clump foliage costs me less than 50 cents a tree. Once I have everything set up it takes about 15 minutes to complete a tree.


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stevie

sage brush

Your sage brush trees look really good. I have noticed we have several species of it here in washington. On the east side a lot of it really doesn't make a good tree. Then you find the woodier stuff and it looks great. At my post office here south of seattle there is a species that would make great trees. I actually thought for a moment about trimming some off for my railroad. Sure! Pilfering government property to make model trees will surely get the sympathy of the judge. I think a better plan is going to be to photograph them and post and ask what it is. Since they are part of the landscaping, I am sure they are available at a nursery somewhere.

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messinwithtrains

Teloxys seeds`

There's a link posted earlier to rarexoticseeds.com for teloxys seeds. I had to laugh when I followed that link. The photo of the model trees on that page is one I took - it's trees I'd made, using dead blooms from a Spirea bush in my front yard. There's not a hint of teloxys in that photo - I don't even own any Super Trees!

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Ngwpwer

Sage Brush Trees

Look great, them trees, what did you sprinkle on them?

Found this in my quest for tree making, haven't found any locally or at the garden centers yet, maybe still to early for N NV.

 RJ

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stevie

Using your pictures?

"There's a link posted earlier to rarexoticseeds.com for teloxys seeds. I had to laugh when I followed that link. The photo of the model trees on that page is one I took - it's trees I'd made, using dead blooms from a Spirea bush in my front yard. There's not a hint of teloxys in that photo - I don't even own any Super Trees!"

I think a lot of pictures get used by a lot of people. I don't know the rules about it.

My Teloxys are still growing and about 2/3rds of the seeds I planted are sprouting. Maybe 1/2 inch tall for a few of them. I bought some more jiffypots so I can start a bunch of them and put them outside at different intervals and experiment where in the yard I put them. I don't get it?, It was supposed to take about a month to germinate, mine have germinated in just less than a week. Makes me wonder just what is actually growing?

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ufffam

Trees

Stevie when the DEA shows up they can help you ID the plants!

Bill Uffelman

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stevie

dea

It is legal here but I think there are some rules and permits for growing. Teloxys is a challenge? And maybe the challenge is to just put it in the yard and leave it alone. I moved them outside for the sunshine yesterday and today. It may get really hot today so I may move them to the shade. You would think that a tumble weed that grows in the desert would be easy to grow. Everything I read says mixed results.

I am going to start a few dozen more this week and again next week. Lots of experimenting to do to figure out what works and what doesn't. I have several planters that had flowers last year. I am going to sift the dirt and mix it with sand and set them up on the balcony. And I will just spread a few dozen around the yard where I have crummy soil. Those rose bushes suck anyway. A shovel makes a good trimmer. Trim them at the roots and you wont need to trim them next season.

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