Benny

 In the year before I went away for work, my club spent a fair amount of time planning new projects and came to the conclusion that it was time to design a new layout.  Naturally, this meant the old layout would have to go, which meant it was for sale, and for a time I ignored this reality whereas I was thousands of miles away.  As the months went by there were no offers, I got to thinking that if the layout was not sold, then it would have to be torn down.  What more, sicne my tour was coming to a close and as luck would have it, I would be back in town,[hurrah!], which means if it was torn down, there were many sections I'd love to have for myself.  But then I could see anyone simply saying "Benny, if you wanted to save that section, or save those pieces, or prescribe how to dismantle this layout, or manage those dismantling the layout, you should have bought it!"  And then as I considered the other alternative, someone else purchasing and then tearing it down, well, let's just say that's no better solution than the first non-action option!

This led to me questioning my sanity in the one way that made the most sense: could I manage this purchase?  Economically it made good sense to make an offer on this albatross, whereas the layout itself represents many hours of quality labor and the sale included many high quality components, the likes of which would more then pay for themselves down the road.  And as I spent more time thinking about it, there are sections on this layout that are near and dear to me, such as Turkey Creek, my last project to date, along with the rockwork that makes up the hill next to Crown King.  And as I sat in Korea considering my options, I pretty much forgot just how big a 25' x 35' layout is, which I deduced I could theoretically fold up into a 10' x 10' x 10' storage unit should I need to store it for a couple years!

So what did I do? I bought myself both the Layout AND the Chairman of the Board position on the Layout Disposition Committee!!

What have I done?!

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Benny

The Current Layout

Here is the SASME layout in its current configuration within the club quarters.

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It's not a bad little layout, having spent a number of hours both working and operating on it.  The real jewel here is the lower peninsula, whereas the yard is quite nice.  The middle peninsula is decent, but even my proposals from a couple years ago prescribe a complete facelift at the minimum and a complete refresher overall.  Thankfully enough, this part of the layout is built like Michael's layout, whereas is it screen mesh and plaster cloth on risers.  This will make it very, very easy to take the knife to this section for a little "selective compression" as I prepare it for the storage unit.

No, the sale did not include any of the workbenches or the bathroom or the refrigerator...for those wise guys who might think it would!!  It also did not include any structures or salvageable scenery, though it did include all bridges...and the Digitrax equipment that runs the layout, whereas the club wishes to move to NCE!  Fair enough, I dare say!

At this point, I have already drawn the layout up into sections as I prepare for October!  But must it ALL go to storage?

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Benny

The Interim Apartment Section

When I moved into my apartment, it was my full intention to set the space up as a proper modest domestic dwelling as one might expect to find it, with living room furnishings in the living room and bedroom furnishings in the bedroom and a nice modest table separating the living room from the kitchen.

The thing is, my apartment is in essence four rooms in all, including a living/kitchen, a bedroom, a bathroom and a large walk-in closet.  And as I considered my new acquisition and the size of my new living room, well, let's be honest, I only live in my apartment for sleeping, for Internet, for cutting something on the laser cutter, and maybe, just maybe for cooking something now and then.  Aside from this, "domestic space" really is a wasted utility when it comes to me!

So I started measuring the space and found that I have a space roughly 7.5' x 14' with three feet left for walking through the main through fare and two feet left in the kitchen area.  This survey led to the following plan, drawn to include Section 1 from the master layout.
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I have gone one step further and added a loop to complete the circuit, thereby giving me both a buffer from items going off the floor from the stub spurs and to preserve continuous running.  This temporary construction will necessitate removing some sections of the old layout, but this disruption will be minimal at all possible, thus allowing for the layout to return to its previous configuration somewhere down the line should that desire linger past making the cut.  Alternatively, I could also find it advantageous to rebuild the single yard bridging Section 1 and Section 2 into two yards in separate locations, provided what time and space allows down the road.

With the layout is in this configuration, I will be able to rebuild the city while running my collection as I rebuild pieces here and there.

Now, just how shall we make this behemoth MOBILE?   Stay tuned, for I have some ideas and come October, we will be in Full Motion Layout Mode!

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Art in Iowa

Well....

That's one way to take the bull by the horns..

The trials and tribulations will be interesting to watch..

Art in Iowa

Modeling something... .

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Larry of Z'ville

Big job

It will be a real trick to get the sections through the prevailing doors/windows.

Other than DCC control, was there other key reasons for the club change?

This is a very interesting challenge.  Sort of the ultimate in Joe's module concept.

This could be a long term thread.  First the take down and storage.  Then the initial use. etc.

Look forward to what ever you want to share.  Good luck.

So many trains, so little time,

Larry

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Benny

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DCC was Incidental to the much bigger reason which is that this layout has some design issues and the clube felt it was more advantageous to design and build a new layout from scratch than try to scrap/salvage the old layout or work the old layout into the new layout.  The main issues are the big tunnel that takes the mainline from the center peninsula to the far wall and the narrow aisles and the tight curves within the leg end peninsula.  I drew up plans that would alleviate these issues, but...well, now I have a layout!!

The club has a both a standard sized exterior door and a rollup garage door on the front wall.  With this being said, while the sections may be up to six or seven feet in width, everything that is salvageable is under thirty inches in thickness.  That means the easiest manner of removal will be to cut the sections, remove the legs, put it on it's side and simply walk it out.

To make this process easier, I'll be looking into a pair of casters [one swivel, one fixed] on a 2x4 that is then bolted/ screwed right onto the side of the layout.  By doing this, I should be able to move the layout sections with little or no help, which would be best because I cannot necessarily depend on having assistance in the future when I move it from storage and back into service.  I'll have roughly 30 days to remove it once the final events have concluded, but I really will only have four-five weekends.  It's my goal to have it out in 1-2 weekends at most.

Either way, there's going to be hours of fun getting this behemoth rearranged into my future mammoth!

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Bill Brillinger

and the fun begins...

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That means the easiest manner of removal will be to cut the sections, remove the legs, put it on it's side and simply walk it out.

This is where you discover all the things that are not properly secured to the layout

Sounds like a challenging project Benny! I hope it works out well for you.

About the castors: Are you concerned that the lack of shock absorbing will jar things off the layout? Two sets of hands and arms carrying vs rigid/hard castors rolling affords a great deal of inertial dampening.

Bill Brillinger

Modeling the BNML in HO Scale, Admin for the RailPro User Group, and owner of Precision Design Co.

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reddogpt

Awesome!

I love it when people go for greatness on a big dream! I look forward to seeing how it unfolds! 

Pete

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herronp

If I might be so bold..............

..........what are slightly used 25 x 25 layouts going for these days?

Peter

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Benny

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I got it for a real song and dance.   More than a handful of locomotives!  BUT a very very good price!  The most important part of the deal is that I move the layout and get the site cleaned up so the club can start construction of the new layout within the 30 day span!  I'm following my purchase up with a more generous sum offer on the buildings that will not be used on the new layout, whereas by gaining them I'd have less to build latter on down the road, though I have had thoughts that I may just let them go to the Christmas auction and pick them up then.

Michael, the lower peninsula was rebuilt in 2006 and it's solid - we're talking 5/8" high grade birch plywood on top  1/3 girder mounted on a pair of engineered I-beams.  A couple 2x4s to brace the I-beams for transport against any shock while the leg/braces have been removed and I believe it will hold up without any issues.  I'll need to build a couple more sets of legs, whereas that entire lower island is attached to a total of four legs and the corner wall!

 The pieces along the upper wall were at one point modules, so there shouldn't be a problem there.  The only real pieces to save will be the hills themselves, whereas without the layout the trackwork is a moot point and it's wouldn't be much of an issue to remove the spikes, mist the ballast, lift the track, and throw it in a tray of warm water.

Finally, all the buildings and scenic details will be removed, so I don't foresee much or anything coming off as it gets moved out, whereas it's been built rather robustly.  The center will likely be a slash and burn, for the most part, so there will be much less to worry about with moving and such.

The biggest issue then will be weight, which is where the casters on a 2x4 come into play.  I've long been an advocate of wheels over brute strength if at all possible, and one person with wheels is far more versatile than 2 people, whereas you have to coordinate schedules with two people!

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Benny

NG Upper Deck

As the old layout is configured, the center is essentially two levels separated by 12" and scenic cliffs.

Every other plan configured during the planning stages that led to this layout ultimately being discarded featured a second deck being added to the lower peninsula.  Given the state of the center peninsula, most of it is a candidate for removal and complete deaquisition.

With this being said, I would be very happy to retain the yard, whereas that entire section is wired and fired by tortoises and it works rather well.  Further, the switchback features a fair amount of rock work in addition to a fair amount of electrical work that I would like to preserve.

I figure then that I'll be able to take the materials from the central peninsula and reconfigure them into a rather satisfying temporary setup as a second level, using hte old box girder as a base and then remounting the desired sections like so:

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herronp

$500.00 is my guess...............

............Oh, you said you signed a confidentiality agreement, right?

Peter

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Benny

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No, but we maintain polite company.

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Pelsea

30 days? Working weekends only?

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The most important part of the deal is that I move the layout and get the site cleaned up so the club can start construction of the new layout within the 30 day span!

 

They should be paying you.

pqe

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Virginian and Lake Erie

That will be some

That will be some undertaking. Keep all of us posted it will be interesting to see the resurrection as well as the take down and storage.

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dapenguin

contact me

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Joe Brugger

I'm curious

Was the wiring system already set up and labeled for reassembly? What steps did you need to take? Wiring always seems to be the biggest issue in dismantling and resurrecting a "permanent" layout.

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Benny

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I work in Aviation Wiring, Hobby layouts are cake compared to Aircraft.

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Benny

Update

The original time table called for two weeks between the time of the last ops session and the beginning of my time to remove the layout.  As it so happened, the cleanup crew declared one peninsula ready to be removed after the end of the business meeting on Wednesday night.  Thus, I spent about three hours prepping on Wednesday night and then all of yesterday evening finishing prep and then making the cut to separate the first piece from the rest of the layout.  After getting the layout section on it's side, I shoved it out the door and in the back of my truck, where there was about a 1.5 foot overhang on one side and about a 4' overhang off the back.  Either way, gravity and a rope held it in place and I got it home relatively well.

More details later tonight, along with pictures!!  It's Surreal knowing I've worked on this for years and now it's in my living room!!

 

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Benny

Pictures

 First up we'll look at a couple pictures of the section as it stood before the cleanup crew unceremoniously cleared everything off.

Yes, it was a rather lovely layout right up until Friday when they started clearing it off!  But a couple hours after the conclusion of the business meeting, a final review declared the peninsula ready for removal.

I proceeded to remove the tracks at the places where I wanted to make the cuts, preferring to remove the track with as few cuts as possible.  This mean water, putty knives, and lots of patience.

I chose to part up the layout in two nine foot sections with shorter section in the middle.  This arrangement allows me to preserve as much of the yard ladders as possible without dismantling the throats.

The flex track came up decently well.  It will need a quick dunk in hot water with a little soap, but that will be for another night!  The Shinohara switches came up more or less intact, though they separated at natural junctions instead of at the joiners in some cases.  The damage will be no issue, wheres reusing them will be akin to setting up switch kits versus RTR switches.

The entire peninsula was held up by a total of four legs and the wall.  I built a couple sets of new legs, ensuring that the whole thing wouldn't collapse once I started cutting it up.   It's far easier to build legs now versus later, so it was a smart move!

I discovered the circular saw isn't functional anymore [for whatever reason] but at least my jigsaw was on hand.  Here's the first cut - two straight cuts and then a jog up the backdrop line.  The rest of the cuts through the I bea,s weren't so pretty, but I likely won't reuse the I-beams on account of their thickness.  If I replace them with a 1x4 and a 2x3, mounted like a T-grider, I'll gain clearance for valuable storage space in my apartment.

I prepared my wheel sets and set in place where there were no car card boxes.  Alas, when they put them on, they not only screwed them in place but they GLUED them too!!!  Aye yie yie!!!

Once the wheels were screwed onto the side of the layout, it was a simple anxious matter of tipping it over and seeing just how heavy the side of Mammoth is!

It tipped over rather well, without too much effort.  The fascia crackled a bit, but it turned out to be nothing important.

Legs removed...

And there it is, 100-200 lbs of Mammoth, freely wheeling about! I DO regret not making both wheel boards free-wheeling casters, whereas two are rigid allowing only back and forth movement.  The good side to this decision is that I did not have the back end fishtailing on me as i move it - it just made cornering LONG.

Now up to this point I hadn't considered that I needed more stiffening to protect the layout, whereas it was freely wheeling about on just 4" of layout thickness.  To do this, I took two 2x4 and screwed them in place where they could brace the I-Beams together against the wheel set boards.  I did not screw them to the wheel boards, but the weight of the layout was enough to keep things braced.

Sadness!  I then wheeled it towards the door and discovered to my horror that while the doorway is tall enough for the layout, it is not tall enough for the layout plus the wheel set on the tall end of the layout.  Off comes the rigid wheel set!

At this point then I discovered that there were absolutely NO handles or other grips on the large end of the layout, and this is the portion where I need the most grip to get it out the door and more importantly onto the truck.  I had a 2' section of 2x4 on hand, so I made a lifting bar by screwing in place where I'm planning to expand out to add a second curve at 35" or 36" radius - no loss if I screw this on!

And so we had for the door...

...where we discover that we have to pull forward just an unfortunate bit to clear the awning overhead!

Quick Fix...

After a quarter hour of struggling and pushing and using every bt of inclined advantage I could with my two remaining 2x4s, I finally had it loaded.

It's only overhanging the back by about 4.5' and the driver's side by 1.5'... otherwise, the rope was perhaps unnecessary, whereas weight lone had it pretty firmly stuck in the bed!

Still, this means I must have rear protection on my load to help drivers coming up behind me to know where my load ends.  Local/state requirements for oversized loads standing, I looked all over the club for anything that was red or high visibility and finally found a Bright Orange SP Safety placard...so I slapped that in the back end!  perhaps this is tongue in cheek...for those who are not so brave when it comes to such movements!!!

Under the cover of night, I drove the 6.7 long tenuous miles to my apartment driving much, much slower than I normally do.  I was still amazed at how many people drove behind me AS IF I was going to speed up if they waited back there long enough, or tailgated enough...crazy people, because I learned a long, long time ago taht you never drive behind a load any longer than necessary!!

The load pretty much stayed just like I loaded it and the placard stayed in place!

It was unloaded much, much faster than it was loaded...One of the leg sets somehow got in the way and was half crush, and I should have removed the placard before proceeding.  Otherwise, all good...

A fair portion of the fascia got smashed, but it's going away, so no loss...

The wheels when as smoothly as you might imagine, and here I got really lucky: the doorway on my apartment is just a bit enough taller than the club's site that the tall end just barely squeezed in without taking off the wheel set - RELIEF!!!

The bigger concern, though, which I learned as I put it up on it's side, is that the club used very, very short screws to affix the I-beams to the girders.  In other words, had I not put in my stabilizing 2x4s, I would have likely lost this section or at least had a layout without any infrastructure at all.  It all fits into the grand scheme, through, whereas I will likely remove the I-Beams and replace them with T-girder 1x4 an 2x3s, the 2x3 vertical and the 1x4 allowing screws on both sides fo the 2x3 into the girders.  I'm also seriously considering a cut through the center along the backdrop line and north of the turntable, such that then I'll eb able to mve only half ot it at a time.

And so it is now home!

Did I ever think, all the way back in 2006 that some day I might have this very layout section as we were building it in my apartment?  Nope, the thought never even entered my mind!!!  And now while I sit and celebrate my victory, I sigh as I remember the remaining 9 sections, including two that will be more or less just like this!!

 

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Neil Erickson NeilEr

I had to laugh

Sorry.  I did something almost identical with a layout a few years ago using, ironically, a 2005 White Ford F-150 that would look identical to your but my 16 year old daughter flattened a door with the side of the horse trailer (still is that way over a year later). Mr. Johnson's railway did not survive the trip as well as yours. The use of small screws must have been due to older cordless drills without drivers or impact.  My layout salvaged some of his track and plywood but much of the frame was lost. 

Good luck with this adventure and thanks for sharing!

Neil

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Benny

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It is indeed an 06 and I love it enough to consider the engine tranny swap should it get to that point. I believe the short screws were used because someone misjudged the width of the lumber. I know i did a simular mistake this round because one box of screws is 3/4 inch shorter and the second box ia a half inch longer than what I'd prefer to drive in. Eh, they're just legs! So much layout left... weeks of this!

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Benny

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So this morning I finally got it upright and removed the wheel sets.  I opted to use one swivel wheel set with a brake, which turned out to be most fortuitous whereas once i had that brake on I was able to use the wheel as a fulcrum, versus if the brake was not set the wheel would have drifted all over the place while I was making the transition from vertical to horizontal.  otherwise, the extra 2x4 and some carpet squares made it easy to both flip the layout and then slide it into place, whereas the floor is the laminate with wood pattern.

This section of the layout is finally home...onwards!

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Pelsea

Wow!

Reminds me of the time I had to put a Steinway D grand piano through a second story window.

pqe

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herronp

Great Post, Benny..........

..................Just think of all the time and work you are saving not having to lay all that track!!

Thanks for sharing your experience with us.

Peter

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