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We just held the second Siskiyou Line op session after the layout essentially being in mothballs for 3 years. This second session was Saturday night, June 20th. Even though this isn't "working on the layout" in terms of adding details or finishing scenery, it's still very much a part of what's needed to get the layout ready for the Convention in August. We have 10 guys signed up to come operate the Siskiyou Line this coming August, and the layout needs to be in tip-top shape for that event. I very much want the visiting operators to see the layout at its best. More on this op session, with photos, in the next post.

Joe Fugate​
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joef

Op session fun!

Last month: The first op session was last month and we only had five crew members show up. One guy worked on organizing the the main yard in Roseburg after three years of just sitting or me moving trains in and out for visitors. The other four ran the two Coos Bay Haulers (east and west) to "shakedown the railroad". All in all, last session was a good kickoff after three years in mothballs.

THIS SESSION

This time we had 11 crew show up, and I acted as dispatcher - enough for a real op session again! I had cleaned the track, put graphite on it, and also rewired the 1156 bulb short protection blocks to be 3.5 amps instead of two amps. The lower amp rating caused the bulbs to glow orange when a train loaded with 4 or 5 locos passed thorough that bulb's block, stealing voltage from the locos and making throttle response sluggish. The addition of 1152 bulbs in parallel with the 1156 bulbs raises the amp short protection from 2 amps to 3.5 amps, and the bulbs no longer glow dull orange with 4 or 5 locos in the short protection block.

We ran about 80% of a normal schedule. Here's some pictures from the session.

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Bill Murphy (old hand to the layout) and Rodger Cook (newbie to the layout) drew the Dole Turn, the local that switches a single industry, Roseburg Forest Products. This one industry on the prototype is a mile long and holds over 100 rail cars. On the layout, my model of this one industry is 12 feet long and it holds up to 50 rail cars. Switching this industry gets interesting since there's almost a dozen different spots for cars! Bill and Rodger took up the challenge and here they are early in their switching efforts moving some cars around to prepare for more heavy-duty work to come.  - in photo, Rodger Cook (clipboard), Bill Murphy (center), Jim Moomaw (far left in darkness).


 

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My son Joey Fugate, Jr. grins at the camera as he brings the Siskiyou Line West (SLW) into Roseburg yard on its way from Eugene to Medford. Joey would railfan with me as a kid to be with his dad, but he never really got into trains. However, he's gotten more interested in my hobby now that he's got a son of his own who likes trains, and he's learning the layout ops so he can help assist during the convention. That's the SLW on the back track in Roseburg - you can see the head-end power, three second generation diesels, in the upper left background of the photo.   - in photo, Joey Fugate, Jr (on right, grinning), Jim Moomaw (yardmaster on left in shadow), Rodger Cook (back to us just behind Joey).

 

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Here Joe Brugger switches the east end of Roseburg Yard whileYardmaster Jim Moomaw (out of photo) deals with traffic management on the west end of Roseburg Yard. Joe Brugger used to work for the Oregonian newspaper, and he's now one of the two copy editors on staff for MRH magazine. He's also a regular member of the operating crew on the layout when we last had op sessions so it's nice to have him back! - in photo, Joe Brugger.

 

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In the distance my grandson Bobby Thurman (his mother is my daughter, Joey's sister, so Bobby is Joey's nephew) running the Oakland Turn which switches Oakland and Sutherlin. Grandson Bobby is 13 and loves model trains, and he's learning the layout so he can help during the convention when the layout is open. - in photo, Bobby Thurman.

 

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Here conductor Bill Decker instructs engineer Bobby Thurman (my grandson) on the switching moves for the Oakland Turn as it switches Oakland and Sutherlin. Bill will have his own SP Willamette Pass layout open during the convention, but he's here at the Siskiyou Line op session enjoying SP train running and getting a taste of what he'll be doing on his own layout in August. - in photo, Bill Decker (in back), Bobby Thurman (in front with throttle)

 

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Joe Brugger is still at it switching east Roseburg. - in photo, Joe Brugger

 

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Dole Turn Conductor Rodger Cook is still at it with engineer Bill Murphy (out of picture) as they get deeper into switching Roseburg Forest Products. I hope to replace these mill mockups with more of the final mill structures by August. I'll be posting the progress in my blog posts, so stay tuned! - in photo, Rodger Cook (with coupler pick), Jim Moomaw (back to us in shadow, extreme left).

SUMMARY

The crews reported conductivity was superb (graphite really works) but we did notice pulling capacity was down slightly and there was just a bit of slippage, but not a lot. I worked very hard to keep the graphite application on the light side, and I wiped the track down with a dry cloth just to make sure and remove any excess graphite. We had some derailments with cars that need more weight and there's also some coupler issues noted. All in all, a very gratifying session. The layout's almost fully operational again!

Joe Fugate​
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John Winter

Great...

Joe, looks and sounds like it was a successful op-session. It's nice to have your family involved, I'm sure it make your proud. Looking forward to future progress reports as you put your railroad back in full operation.

john

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KnuT

Next generation

Joe, thank you for sharing wiht us. Good to see your son and grandson participating in the op-session 

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Greg Williams GregW66

What could be better?

Family, friends and trains. The recipe for some good times!

Greg Williams
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Michael Tondee

Sounds like a good time

Good to see all that family there too. Nice to share a hobby.  I hope the graphite works well and the slippage doesn't continue to cause even minor issues.  That has been my main concern with it that has kept me from trying it but then again I have a much heavier grade than your layout.

Michael

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 Model Rail, electronics experimenter and "mad scientist" for over 50 years.

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Virginian and Lake Erie

Real nice Joe and it is nice

Real nice Joe and it is nice to hear some positive reports on the weight issue and on the graphite application. Glad to see everyone is having a good time.

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joef

We were short on locos

We were short on locos this time - we had to pull in some locos off trains in staging to do double-duty.

As I'm preparing the layout for operations again, I'm redoing a lot of the speed tables in JMRI to give the locos more soup at the bottom end by using a straight speed curve instead of a sagging one.

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My original thought was the parabolic speed curve would give the loco a lot of fine control at the low end because the first 2/3rd of the throttle would control the low-end, but that's not been the case. Once a loco is loaded up with cars behind it, it feels like you really have to crank the throttle to get it to respond.

The straight speed curve gives it more response at the low end. I'm also updating the starting level at speed step 1, making sure the loco starts moving on speed step 1. I find out what value is needed to get the loco to just barely move on speed step 1 (out of 28), and then I bump it up 3 or 4.

This change, combined with the graphite on the track now makes the locos much more responsive. I limit the top end to somewhere between half and two-thirds of what's possible to keep the locos top speed within reason. My crew remarked they like the more responsive speed curves that also keep the total loco speed from being so fast.

Makes for a nice feel to how the locos perform.

Joe Fugate​
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joef

Need more locos!

As I was saying in the last post, I need to put more locos in service. While redoing speed curves as above, I am running into locos with really old decoders in them, so I had to pull the locos off the layout, pending an upgrade to my new standard of TCS decoders. The older decoders just can't be adjusted like the new TCS or NCE decoders. I find it's very easy to get the loco to do exactly what I want it to do with the newer decoders from TCS or NCE. Having to pull all these locos off which have the older decoders left the layout shy on locos - and we felt it, even with only running 80% of the trains this session. It's clear I need to get another dozen or so locos in service by August with the newer decoders!

Joe Fugate​
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Michael Tondee

What era phase are you in right now?

Because I put in a vote for more Kodachromes!

Michael

Michael, A.R.S. W4HIJ

 Model Rail, electronics experimenter and "mad scientist" for over 50 years.

Member of  "The Amigos" and staunch disciple of the "Wizard of Monterey"

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Virginian and Lake Erie

Joe, I have been using the

Joe, I have been using the straight speed table as well from decoder pro and it seems to work well with lots of different decoders, even the old bargain Digitrax units I am using. I have had good luck running sound and non sound units together as well.

The only issues I have had have been with blue line decoders as there are two in the unit and getting the voltage right is bothersome. I may be replacing the decoders in blueline units eventually.

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jeffshultz

Wish I'd been there...

...hoping I'll be available next month!

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joef

Rob, nice to know

Thanks for the confirmation on the straight line speed curve. As for Blueline locos, I tried one and even that was one too many. The whole dual decoder approach is a complete nightmare when it comes to programming. The basic idea sounds good enough - only put the DCC sound parts in the loco decoder and you can add the motor decoder later. That way, the sound-only (but no DCC motor control) loco is cheaper. But it ends up being a false economy - you still need to buy the motor decoder, so to get a fully functional loco isn't any cheaper and programming a dual decoder Blueline loco is a complete nightmare. I'm pretty tech savvy on DCC and computer programming, and I was still beating my head against the wall with programming the Blueline loco I bought. That was enough for me to vow I'd never touch another Blueline loco with a ten foot pole. The Blueline loco got pulled off the layout quickly, never to return. Give me a full priced DCC sound loco any day. The cheaper sound-only Bluelines in practical terms are just a BAD idea.

Joe Fugate​
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Virginian and Lake Erie

Joe I'm not anywhere close to

Joe I'm not anywhere close to the dcc savvy person you are, and use decoder pro because it makes it simpler for me. I tried switching with a locomotive that had momentum very high and found it maddening. I used the straight table and found that it allowed things to operate rather well together so far and that the momentum and other "effects" were easily duplicated by my control of the throttle knob when they were desired.

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TimGarland

Tonnage Rating for Locomotives

Hi Joe!

I really enjoy reading about your progress to your Siskiyou Line layout and can't wait to see it in action again on TMTV and read about it on pages of MRH. From your earlier videos I noticed your chart describing the tonnage rating for your locomotives over the line. In it you stated a TEBU as the same as a locomotive. As a prototype engineer that has run locomotives with slugs I can tell you not quite. Actually a GP40-2/slug combo creates the same tractive effort as an SD40-2. I'm not sure you want to reconfigure your tables but it could be something to add interest. One question, have you purchased any new engines since you operated your layout last or plan to? Athearn has released some real beauty's in the last couple of years and each time I see one in SP I think of your Siskiyou Line.

thanks!

Tim Garland

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John Colley

More modern locos

Joe, et al: I have to agree with Tim's comment! I have 2 of the SP scarlet and grey Athearn Genesis SDP45's, and one of their Kodachrome SD45's coming in August. I love them and I am still playing with the momentum settings, presently at 60/30. One thing I wonder about is the open fans? I know they let out more sound, but I can't help thinking that by providing airflow they allow the decoder to work better by removing heat? Is it possible to get replacement fans and tunnel motor intake screens for all the closed up older Athearn SD 40-2's that sit unused in my stable? John Colley, Sonoma, CA

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