Greg Williams GregW66

Tonight I completed my first DCC decoder install. I am planning a small inglenook switching layout and wanted to go DCC with it. I bought an NCE PowerCab system but I don't own any DCC locomotives. I have a couple of Digitrax decoders that I bought a while ago but the locomotive I wanted to use for my switching layout is my old Atlas/Roco S2 switcher. I discovered that NCE makes a board replacement decoder for it so I ordered it up.

I have plenty of experience with electronics as I am (was) a certified electronic technician but I put down my soldering iron about 15 years ago to venture into computers and then a complete change of vocation has had me out of the electronic/computer biz for about 9 years now. So I was a little nervous, even though there wasn't much in the way of soldering to do on this. Here is a step by step (direct from the manufacturers website) with pictures to accompany the process. They are simple iPhone pics so please excuse the quality. 

I realize this install is very old hat but I hope I might share something someone might find useful.

1. Remove the body shell from your locomotive. The cab comes off first then the main
body.
2. Unsolder the 4 wires from the existing locomotive circuit board.

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3. Unscrew and discard the circuit board.
4. Lift the weight off the motor and place it aside.
5. Place a mark on the motor noting which way is up (this is important).

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6. Unscrew the motor from the locomotive frame. There is one 2mm screw holding the
motor to the frame on the bottom of the locomotive. Hold the motor in place while
removing the screw so that it doesn’t fall out.

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7. Carefully lift the motor from the frame (the two drive shafts will fall out, don’t lose
them)

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8. Cut the supplied KaptonTM tape to 1.5” long (35mm)
9. Cover the bottom of the motor with the tape. Wrap the excess up both sides and
both ends of the motor.
10. Using a sharp tool such as a hobby knife pierce a small hole in the tape to open the
screw hole on the bottom of the motor

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11. Re-install the motor into the frame. Don’t forget the two drive shafts (tweezers help a
lot).
12. Use the plastic 2mm screw provided with the decoder to fasten the motor to the
frame.
13. Replace the upper chassis weight on the motor. The open ended notch in the weight
is the front and the open hole should expose the top motor brush.
(I took it a step further and using the leftover Kapton tape, I cut four small pieces to place on the four corners of the metal weight to ensure it did not make contact with the metal frame)

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14. Install the decoder with the “10122 REV A” side up. If you want to use an LED for the
rear headlight see the section on connecting the lights to see how to bend the leads
and solder it before mounting the decoder.

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15. Refer to the motor connection diagram below. There is already a small amount of solder
applied to each solder pad on the decoder. Place a truck pickup the wire on its corresponding
solder pad and touch your soldering iron to the wire and pad to solder the wire in place.
Watch for shorts to the frame or holes on the circuit board!

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16. Ensure the decoder is properly seated in the shallow channel of the upper weight.
17. Now is a good time to test the locomotive before replacing the body shell. Double
check your wiring and make sure that there are no pinched or broken wires. We see
many decoders returned due to wires getting pinched between the body shell and
frame causing shorts. Always test your decoder installation on a current limited
programming track before trying it on full track power. If you have a Digitrax, Lenz or
MRC system that does not provide current limited programming use a 100 Ohm
resistor in series with one of the track leads and listen for the "click" that verifies
correct operation as you program the decoder. Test run the locomotive on your main
line or test track to verify that it runs correctly. After initial testing is complete it's time
put the body shell on the chassis and switch some cars.

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With some tweaking of the motor control CVs the locomotive runs slow, smooth and quiet. Now to complete my switching layout and have some fun!

Greg Williams
Superintendent - Eastern Canada Division - NMRA
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Michael Watson

Great Job !

Thanks Greg ! I have a few of these laying around from years ago. I was going to pass them off at a swap meet, but with your excellent pictures, I too may break out the soldering iron and take a shot at it now. Since I switched to DCC, everything I have done has been a simple drop in, or change out, installation. Only thing I would add is a sound decoder with speaker since I have been so spoiled on the sound aspect of DCC. Now to get up the courage to tackle those brass loco's that have been laughing at me over on the shelf !

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Virginian and Lake Erie

Really nice job.

Really nice job.

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Greg Williams GregW66

Sound install

There is a brief tutorial of a sound installation in one of these babies here:

http://www.mrdccu.com/install/hods/Atlas-S2-826004.htm

Greg Williams
Superintendent - Eastern Canada Division - NMRA
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mbowline

Sound tutorial link unavailable

When I clicked on the link given for the sound installation tutorial, it is unavailable. Is there an updated link?

Mike Bowline

Modeling the Kansas City West Bottoms in 1963

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jeffshultz

Link

I think this is the link, although I would not call this a tutorial:

http://mrdccu.com/install/hods/Atlas-S2-826004.html

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Jeff Shultz - MRH Technical Assistant
DCC Features Matrix/My blog index
Modeling a fictional GWI shortline combining three separate areas into one freelance-ish railroad.

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railwaybob

Which Hole For The Rear LED is +ve on MRC ATLS4 Decoder?

There are 2 holes on the MRC ATLS4 to solder in the white LED.  However, which hole is for the +ve leg of the LED.  I've attached a graphic of the schematic.  Is it A?  Or is it B?

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Greg Williams GregW66

That's a great question

For the life of me I can't remember and the instructions are no help. They indicate that the square pad for the front is the anode (long lead). There is no such designation for the rear. However, going by the diagram the graphic for the LED itself, if we can trust that, shows that the anode would connect to the "A" pad. I wish I could be of more help. If you are successful, let me know and I will annotate the original post just in case anyone in the future tries this.

Greg Williams
Superintendent - Eastern Canada Division - NMRA
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fecbill

Great job, thanks for the information.

I have an older Atlas RS3 and GP7 that need the NCE decoders. Tired of fighting hiding wires to hard wire something else. Question, where can you purchase Kapton tape? I see it mentioned in decoder install articles but it is not at the big box stores in my area.

Bill Michael

Bill Michael

Florida East Coast Railway fan

Modeling FEC 5th District in 1960 

 

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Greg Williams GregW66

Kapton

I have ordered it from McMaster-Carr and also Litchfield Station. I find the most useful width to be 1/4". 

I did a quick Amazon search and found this:

https://amzn.to/45W9xhO

Likely a lifetime supply for DCC installs for less than 10 bucks.

Greg Williams
Superintendent - Eastern Canada Division - NMRA
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fecbill

Thank you

Love these forums where we can exchange ideas and information. 

Bill Michael

Bill Michael

Florida East Coast Railway fan

Modeling FEC 5th District in 1960 

 

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railwaybob

Kapton Tape Too Narrow - So I used Electrical Tape

The piece of Kapton tape included in the MRC ATLS4 decoder wasn't wide enough to come up the sides of the motor.  This is needed to insulate the motor from the loco frame.  So I cut a piece of electrical tape and used that.  It was a tight fit.  I used the original metal screw to pull the motor down into the loco frame rather than the plastic screw so that I wouldn't strip the threads on the plastic screw.  

Once I was satisfied that the motor was snugly in place, I removed the metal screw and replaced it with the plastic screw.  

To make sure that the motor was insulated from the loco frame, I put one probe of my ohmeter on the motor frame and the other probe on the loco frame.  The needle didn't move indicating the motor was insulated from the loco frame.  

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railwaybob

In LED terms, the anode is

In LED terms, the anode is usually referred to as the +ve and the cathode is referred to as the -ve.  And the long leg is usually the +ve (anode).  However, when you start bending the legs, it's very easy to forget which leg is +ve and which leg is -ve.  

I made myself a little tester using a 9 volt battery, an on-off switch that's mounted on a short piece of vector board, some leads with small alligator clips on the end (and a 470 ohm resistor on one of the leads so that I don't blow the LED that I'm testing).  The key is to clearly label the vector board as to which side is +ve and which side is -ve.  (and also which side is "On" and which side is "Off").  

To test the LED, I simply hook the alligator clips to the legs of the LED, flick the switch and see what happens.  If it lights up, I know that I've got the proper orientation.  If it doesn't light up, I reverse the clips and see what happens.  

I've always found this graphic to be very helpful when working with LEDs.  

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maxmunger

Good exchange but the NCE

Good exchange but the NCE board for S2 is no longer available. I could use a few! Only choice now is to hard wire and find a way to mount the lights.
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rckingsnorth

Atlas S2 decoder

I have an old Atlas S2 - great runner - but I have never removed the shell to see what space is available for a decoder.  Thank you for your photos and the inspiration to start the project!

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railandsail

I've got a couple of these S2's and another in the mail.    I may be using a few in my 'disguised pusher engine' project (disguise the powered chassis under some sort of freight car body).

I will need to install a non-sound decoder in those to match the primary steam engine(s) they are pushing, ..so I will refer back to your installation thread here.

But my most basic question right now is how do you get the shell off??

I did find this video, but even here he starts out with the shell already off....
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railandsail
I found a good description,....

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the body is in 2 pieces. First you will want to gently but firmly squeeze the cab of the locomotive from the front and rear of the cad. What you are trying to do is allow a locking tab on each side of the cab (right below the side windows) to unlock. Once you have done this, gently pull up and the cab will come off the engine.

Next you will gently lift up on the main body of the engine where it meets with the cab. The body has a locking tab at the front of the body right below the head light. Lifting from the rear of the body will allow the body to simply swing up and unlock the tab. Remove the body.

One of the best decoders for this locomotive is made by NCE out of New York. I just installed 2of these on my S-2's and they work great. They come as a kit with the material needed to isolate the motor from the frame, the teflon screw as well as 2 LED's. Not a bad deal for $25.00.   
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smadanek
I could use one of those oldie S-2's for an upcoming LocoFi WIFI conversion with stay alive.  Looks like a lot more room than my current Chinese Atlas S-2.
Ken Adams
Walnut Creek, California
Getting too old to  remember all this stuff.... Now Officially a COG (and I've forgotten what that means too...)
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Michael Tondee
I've got an old Atlas S-1 that is a "someday" DCC candidate. Possibly sound, possibly not, and I found that same video posted above. What's cool are those curved speaker mounts that hold a little "sugar cube" speaker in the roof of the cab. The one I have is so old it's got X2F couplers on it.

Michael, A.R.S. W4HIJ

 Model Rail, electronics experimenter and "mad scientist" for over 50 years.

Member of  "The Amigos" and staunch disciple of the "Wizard of Monterey"

My Pike: The Blackwater Island Logging&Mining Co.

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