Rene Gourley renegourley
What, wait did I skip a few posts? Yesterday, my daughter was sick, and I had to stay home to look after her. She wanted to get out the Brio trains and have a good proper play, which is exactly what we did -- for about four and a half hours! Now, ordinarily, I get bored after about an hour of playing horsie show (the trains were taking horses and their trappings to the show), but this time, I built a Brio track of Pembroke, including staging. First Operating Session The more we played, the more I thought, this was a really interesting activity. At the same time, a couple of friends were scheduled to come by to talk about VanRail this evening, and one of them had asked, tongue in cheek, whether we would be having an operating session. So, I prepared a schedule, based on the real thing, just in case I could convince them to crawl about on the floor. First Operating Session As it happened, I couldn't convince them to play, and so, I had to run through the sequence (I threw the schedule out) myself. The central question I wanted to answer was whether, with the addition of a freight extra at midday, two crews would be busy on this little layout. I believe the answer is yes, although the freight extra is a little hard to justify given the first train out in the morning is a mixed train. Emily gets ready to depart with 51, the morning train to Ottawa. First Operating Session Emily passing Thomas, who is getting ready to take the number 45, the morning mixed into Golden Lake. First Operating Session Duck pushes a cut of cars into the carriage factory yard. This was the midday freight, straight from Ottawa. First Operating Session Thomas finds Golden Lake / staging is pretty full when he arrives with number 43, the afternoon passenger. There is no free track to run around upon. First Operating Session Emily finds that Thomas has left his coach in the siding, and wishes he would have left it on the spur to the windmill. It's going to be awkward to run around her coaches for the morning train, especially since the short run-around is also occupied. First Operating Session Overall, I wish I had done this exercise earlier. Until trying it out, I hadn't realized how much length we need in the yard tracks in front of the station in order to assemble the cars for the mixed train. Fortunately, while I probably don't have room for a fifth staging track, I might be able to add a crossover. This crossover will be required even if I don't run a midday freight extra. Otherwise I will have to fiddle the trains in the staging yard during mid-session. I was also surprised by how many cars, and how many moves this layout requires. The length of the town (16 feet) and the fact that an engine has to run the full length to get back to the turntable to turn for its return journey mean that a full operating session will probably run easily for two hours.

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Steve Watson SteveWatson

That. Is. Awesome.

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ctxmf74

" I couldn't convince them to play"

sounds like you need new friends willing to help you work out your operations questions.  :> ) ......DaveB

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Tore Hjellset

Brio

I really liked your wooden train exercise. Laughing out loud here

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Mark Dance

Imagine how much quicker...

Albert Einstein might have formulated his theory of Special Relativity if he had used Brio trains instead of just mind experiments!  Maybe that lessen should be for the next time your daughter is home sick!

Very cool

md (one of the boring Vanrail non-players)

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Rene Gourley renegourley

Brio operations

Tore and Steve, Thanks for your comment. Yes, it was hilarious, but also edifying. Dave, my friends do have some other redeeming qualities. I think they thought I wasn't serious. Mark, part of Einstein's thought experiment does involve a train, doesn't it? Well, who knows if he didn't actually start with a toy? Indeed, if you put a ball or a car on a flatcar, it does move relative to the observer in the car... Hard to imagine a Brio set approaching the speed of light, though.

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Mark Dance

well I knew you were serious...

...we just had really important things to chat about like Vanrail's world domination! Thank you again for hosting us by the way.  md

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Toniwryan

Too Cool!

  Phooey on those fogeys who passed on an ops session.  I would press on with ops just you and your daughter.  

Toni

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splitrock323

You even have station signs

What a great experience, what a great lesson for your daughter, and what a great dad you are for finding a way to make 4 hours of play time be a valuable tool. We just had a large gathering of operators from all over North America attend our bi-annual( every other year?) operators invitational. My question I posed to the group, was what if you showed up at someone's house, and it was a Lego layout? Fully operational, with a schedule, staging tracks, dispatcher, etc.... Now I ask, what if it was Brio?. Although, I am not keen, or young enough to spend four hours on the floor.... Great post., need to put some pictures in the Weekend Photo Fun thread. Thomas G.

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ctxmf74

" I would press on with ops just you and your daughter. "

and bake fresh cookies too..........DaveB

I did something similar with my grandson and his wooden train set recently, he even has some neat accessories like a draw bridge, a turntable/round house, a signal tower, etc. so we could set up a quite involved scene then stop the trains at various stations to pick up and drop off passengers.

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James Brodie 67281.

using the Brio trains

Sir and daughter,My daughters enjoyed as do the granddaughters more than the boys playing with the toy trains and this article brought back happy memories. Our footplate workings sometimes entailed a thirty mile run engine first then return running tender first-even big (to us) 2-8-0 austerity locos. Similar to S160s so if they wanted to run their train tender leading I let them after all they were in charge.The little ones would ask "is it  toy or a model?" depending on my answer the toy could even be played with on the floor. Once their little hands and fingers could hold securely they graduated to models, there was the odd incident but trusting was the most important thing and not breathing down their neck was  very important. Sometimes help if needed was usually in rerailing engines with umpteen wheelsets but practice made perfect. Playing trains with enjoyment was the excercise of the lesson and lots and lots of praise but also if they wanted to mix and match well so be it, it to them was more fun that way.Building dioramas was very absorbing to them as well. I must get some more of these Brio toys now for the greatgrandchildren. There might be a problem though in getting "grandy" up off his knees off the carpet afterwards!Thanks again for the happy memory of sixty years or more ago.James.

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RSeiler

Ops is ops...

I have long held the opinion that a good operating session is nearly independent of the layout on which it is conducted.  As long as things work correctly, few derailments or shorts, the rest doesn't really matter that much.  A good operating scheme with prototypical movements is much more important to me than scenery.  The fun of model railroading to me is the modeling of the railroading, not the modeling of the railroad.  It's a verb, the action of railroading.  That can happen in any scale, with or without scenery, even on your wooden toy train.  Ops is ops. 

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mesimpson

Sounds like my first operating session

Just after we moved into our new place I had a piece of my old layout sitting on saw horses and had an operating session with my two oldest kids and my dad.  My daughter was very careful to move the throttle slowly and control the locomotive, my son jammed the control to full speed ahead!  They do play (er, operate) very differently. 

Last night I was showing my layout to a friend and I jury rigged some track to run a couple of engines.  My kids came running and all tested out the sound equipped engine (a GP38-2W) including the 2 year old, with some assistance.  I think I know who my crew will be for the first test run of the new layout before the Trains 2013 layout tour.

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johnnymac737

brio operations

"They're two they're four they're six they're eight...."  which one's the cheeky one again?

 

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Rene Gourley renegourley

Kids and Trains

A lot of comments above about spending time playing trains with your ((great-)grand-)kids.  As a father, I recognize that the most important thing is that you spend time playing anything with your kids.  But something that many people don't realize is that kids like to play very elaborate games, and real life can inform these games. 

If the real life happens to be operating rules of real trains, then we, as model railroaders, get more enjoyment out of the play, and we're more likely to do it.  Now, obviously, you have to be selective about which rules you adopt -- my five year old can't read a schedule yet, but she does understand about delivering goods from one place to another.  One outcome for us is that most of our Brio layouts are point-to-point, which is not only more realistic, but more fun too!

Thanks for all the positive comments.  I'll keep playing with the wooden trains (and the electric ones), but we're finished with Brio Pembroke now as we had company on Friday night and cleaned it all up.  Anyone want us to try out their Layout Design Element on the next round?

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Rene Gourley renegourley

The Brio is Out Again

Last week I took the big box of Brio out to my friend Jim's place. He has started a layout of Prince Rupert, but was (may still be) thinking of tearing it up and starting something else. So, we set up both layouts with the Brio and ran through the operating sequences. Here is the crappy iPhone photo of his Prince Rupert plan. http://www.flickr.com/photos/renegourley/11431260376/player/ And here is Jim running the switcher through Terminal Avenue, Vancouver. http://www.flickr.com/photos/renegourley/11431382923/player/ I think we demonstrated that there is more play value in the existing Prince Rupert scene, however, it would be better if we could properly dispose of the passenger train. Once again, however, we learned a ton by playing with the layout before committing to it. If you know someone with a big box of wooden trains, I highly recommend you try out any switching locations on your layout before you build. If, like Jim and me, you have only one small town, I highly recommend you build the whole thing in Brio.

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