Joe Atkinson IAISfan
The recent thread about multiple industries on the same spur got me thinking again about what a neat prototype Hancock, Iowa would be for a small, simple shelf layout.  With only four turnouts, the Iowa Interstate serves Crop Production Services (a fertilizer dealer) and Hancock Elevator, IAIS's largest grain elevator, sharing a single stub-ended spur to the north, and the out-of-service Oakland Branch extending to the south is used for car storage.  Hancock Elevator loaded a variety of IAIS, BNSF, and KCS covered hoppers, CPS unloaded both granular fertilizer in covered hoppers and liquid fertilizer in tank cars, and a wide variety of cars were stored on the branch at various times, including empty unit coal trains, intermodal flats and well cars, and a wide assortment of old tank cars.  With the cramped switchback move required to reach the branch, and the creative way IAIS crews often switched the elevator, this could make for a really fulfilling layout that's interesting to operate.
 
Here's the track diagram for Hancock that I use on my layout, where Hillis siding, which is actually three miles east (left) of Hancock on the prototype, has been compressed into the Hancock scene in order to preserve a bit of open rural running further east.  For a small layout focused on Hancock alone, Hillis could be removed completely, with the mainline in both directions acting as single-track "staging yards" for trains working Hancock, or that main could form a loop, with behind-the-scenes staging allowing you to run IAIS road trains and UP and BNSF detours.
 
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Council Bluffs is to the right on the main, the Oakland Branch is the vertical line passing under the main above the "Branch Sw." notation, and the Outside and Pocket tracks are collectively referred to as the "hill tracks" as they drop down from the mainline.  The elevator spur serving CPS and Hancock Elevator is at the bottom.  On the prototype, it extends about a mile past the elevator, and as cars are loaded, they're shoved up the spur.
 
The photo below shows the view looking north toward the elevator after we've just come down the Outside Track and past the Branch Switch.  To the left is CPS, and Hancock Elevator is in the distance.
 
CPS receives fertilizer loads in spurts throughout the year, while the elevator ships grain on a regular basis.  I've never heard of a conflict requiring IAIS to move a CPS car in order to work Hancock, but the elevator had their own Trackmobile, so it could be that they cleared the way for the railroad, moving the CPS car out of the way onto the Oakland branch.
 
If the elevator is loading, headroom to work the branch is very limited, making for some challenging switch moves as cars transition in and out of storage.  Also, IAIS trains bringing grain empties from Council Bluffs (from the right in the diagram above) would sometimes use some unusual switch moves in order to spot them.  They'd run down one of the hill tracks with the empties, couple to the loads just beyond the elevator's loader seen in the photo above, and pull them back up to the mainline...so the power was pulling loads while it shoved on the empties they'd brought with them.  The loads would then be shoved toward Hillis on the main, and the train would then run back down the hill pulling the empties, run around them using the Pocket track, and finally shove them toward the elevator for loading.
 
In the photo below, the loaded hoppers on the mainline in the distance have just been shoved there after having been pulled up the hill from the elevator.  The power has just pulled the empties down the Pocket track to the right and cut off, and we're now preparing to run around them on the Outside track for the shove move to the elevator.  In the weeds to the left is an empty unit coal train stored on the Oakland branch, passing under the covered hoppers on the main.
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Lots of interesting switching for such a small space!
 
In my case, I've chosen to model Hancock as part of a larger layout.  Here are a couple in-progress photos showing how it stands today, first looking north toward the elevator:
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...and then looking south toward the hill tracks and the Oakland branch:
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The layout plan showing how Hancock fits into the "big picture" can be seen at  http://www.iaisrailfans.org/gallery/Sub4WestEnd/LayoutPlanMRP2011_updt , with Hancock in the lower left corner.

Joe Atkinson
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Tom Patterson

Interesting

Joe,

Although I did see one hopper car buried in the weeds in one of the photos, I can't imagine how a layout like this would be any fun- no mountains, no coal tipples, no tunnels, no rushing streams along side the tracks, etc.Just plain old flat farmland and covered hopper cars...

In all seriousness, it does look like it would be fun to construct and operate a layout based upon this kind of locale. With what people are doing with photo backdrops and narrow shelf layouts these days, it isn't hard to imagine a really great looking layout featuring a small area like Hancock Junction. The car storage on the Oakland branch would certainly add some operational interest while providing for a nice variety of rolling stock. 

Speaking of great looking layouts, you've done a beautiful job of capturing the look and feel of the prototype. The extension of the spur south under the mainline that's shown in the track plan is a neat idea. It obviously gives you more room to spot covered hoppers at the elevator and potentially shove cars up the branch for storage.

This post has all the makings of a great article for MRH. Given any thought to that?

Tom Patterson

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David Calhoun

Simplicity

Yep - This is the key to a good layout. NO complex wiring. NO complex plaster mountains. PLENTY of scenic possibilities. LOTS of switching opportunities. GREAT photo ops. 

Simplicity - it works!

Chief Operating Officer

The Greater Nickel Plate

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Prof_Klyzlr

Dear Joe, Hancock-fans,

Dear Joe, Hancock-fans, MRHers all

...and here we go....

First thing I did in looking at this is go to Google Maps to check out the lie of the land.
http://goo.gl/maps/JQzed

A few things immediately struck me:

- I hadn't twigged to the idea that to orient things correctly, I had to set North as _down_ (6 o'clock position)

- Google Maps does something funky to overpasses in "Birds Eye" mode, making them look as if they are collapsed...?!?!?

- The turnout arrangement at the Oakland Branch Jct switch (at the geographic northern end of the pass) didn't match the diagram. The Passing Spur turnout appears to be northern-most or "first", and the "Jct Switch" appears to be coming off the outside track... http://goo.gl/maps/RsDjU

- it would appear that the Outside Track/Pocket Track passing spur arranagement has been significantly lengthened (or shortened) at some point between Joe's pics and the current GoogleMaps imagery (2013 by DigitalGlobe). Note the parallel joggle in the passing spur tracks here http://goo.gl/maps/qAs4C

- The "Hillis" passing spur appears to have disappeared, replaced with a single-track main http://goo.gl/maps/sjWJ3

Now, this is not a surprise to me, it's not the first time that "contemporary" GoogleMaps/Bing Maps imagery has not matched period FOGcharts or similar. (Note! GoogleMaps/Bing imagery is not always the _newer_ of the sources!)

However, it does bring home the idea that when modelling off a proto location, period/era can have a significant impact on available research materials and "does it look the way I remember it"...

Speaking of change, anyone spot what's lurking at the end of track at Hancock Elevator?
http://goo.gl/maps/65WUI  http://goo.gl/maps/gtpCe Looks awfully like a 2nd hand CN EMD hood unit to me... Maybe the reason for the elongated Outside/Pocket passing spur is because Hancock are now doing their own switching?

I'm playing with the plan in XTrkCad as we speak, attacking it from both "Proto size, squzzed down" and a simultaneous "modelling/mechanical minimum, blown up" perspectives. Hope to have something useful reasonably soon...

Happy Modelling,
Aim to Improve,
Prof Klyzlr

PS it strikes me that the 3-trk arrangement formed by the Jct Turnout and the Outside/Pocket turnout, and the lead to CPS and Hancock Elevator forms a kind-of Inglenook...

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Joe Atkinson IAISfan

Tunnel in Iowa

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Although I did see one hopper car buried in the weeds in one of the photos, I can't imagine how a layout like this would be any fun- no mountains, no coal tipples, no tunnels, no rushing streams along side the tracks, etc.Just plain old flat farmland and covered hopper cars...

You mountain guys.  Sheesh! 

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Speaking of great looking layouts, you've done a beautiful job of capturing the look and feel of the prototype. The extension of the spur south under the mainline that's shown in the track plan is a neat idea. It obviously gives you more room to spot covered hoppers at the elevator and potentially shove cars up the branch for storage.

Thanks for the kind words Tom.  A neat thing about the operations at Hancock is that the IAIS leaves empties for the elevator somewhere south of the crossing (up, in the diagram) - often up on the hill tracks.  As the elevator loads them, they bring the cars north (down, in the diagram), through the loader, toward the stub end of the spur, so when the IAIS pulls loads, they always bring the power down the hill and past/through the elevator to tie on.  I wanted to duplicate that so that crews weren't pulling cars from the same place they spotted them.  I thought that by moving them by hand between op sessions, bringing them down off the hill and shoving them north past the elevator, it helped to reinforce the illusion that the cars were truly loaded while we were away.

I'd been a little unsure of how I'd hide that "tunnel" where the spur passes under the main.  As it stands today, it doesn't look much like Iowa:

Then I remembered a photo I took along the north end of that spur:

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That thick grove of trees will be on the aisle side of the spur, and I think they'll serve to hide the tunnel without a problem.  "Loads" will always be spotted immediately to the left of the elevator in the layout photo above, about where the lone covered hopper is there, so while loaded cuts will extend into the tunnel, crews will never operate that far - which would definitely destroy any Iowa illusion!   Once scenery is done here, I'm hoping that it'll have the feel of just pulling cars out from behind the trees, as they do on the prototype.

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This post has all the makings of a great article for MRH. Given any thought to that?

It occurred to me last night as I was finishing up the initial post that I might have just spoiled my chance at an article, since it could repeat a lot of what I just wrote.  Still, though, if Joe or Don were willing to consider it, I'd happily cooperate. 

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Joe Atkinson IAISfan

2010 Hancock changes

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- I hadn't twigged to the idea that to orient things correctly, I had to set North as _down_ (6 o'clock position)
I should have been more clear about that.  IAIS's track charts were all oriented as being viewed with South to the top, and the chart I shared above was just a modified version of the IAIS original.  I have no idea why they did it that way, but it suits me just fine, since my layout is oriented with east to the left.
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- The turnout arrangement at the Oakland Branch Jct switch (at the geographic northern end of the pass) didn't match the diagram. The Passing Spur turnout appears to be northern-most or "first", and the "Jct Switch" appears to be coming off the outside track... 
 
- it would appear that the Outside Track/Pocket Track passing spur arranagement has been significantly lengthened (or shortened) at some point between Joe's pics and the current GoogleMaps imagery (2013 by DigitalGlobe). Note the parallel joggle in the passing spur tracks here http://goo.gl/maps/qAs4C
 
Speaking of change, anyone spot what's lurking at the end of track at Hancock Elevator?
http://goo.gl/maps/65WUIhttp://goo.gl/maps/gtpCe Looks awfully like a 2nd hand CN EMD hood unit to me... Maybe the reason for the elongated Outside/Pocket passing spur is because Hancock are now doing their own switching?
Something else I neglected to mention.  My layout is set in May 2005, so everything I shared was based on that timeframe.  In 2010, IAIS lengthened the hill tracks and reworked the turnout arrangement at the bottom so that the Oakland branch was now the diverging route.  That same year, Hancock Elevator upgraded from Trackmobiles to the ex-CN Geep rebuild you spotted.  They also added a short spur just north of the elevator, apparently for the Geep to duck in the clear when loads are pulled.
 
As another operational note, for a time in 2011 and 2012 (IIRC), Hancock loaded BNSF shuttle trains of around 110 cars each.  They'd arrive from Council Bluffs (right, in the diagram) in 2+1 DPU mode.  At Hancock Jct., the two leaders would cut off and pull ahead on the main, and the DPU unit would then be used to shove the empties down to the elevator, where the ex-CN Geep would take over.  All three BNSF units would return to CB light power, and I think the elevator had 28 hours to load according to the BNSF shuttle agreement.  Once the train was loaded, the power would return to Hancock and pull to Council Bluffs with all three units leading.  At CB, the DPU unit would again be set up and the train would be handed back to the BNSF.
 
In the 13 years I've been modeling and railfanning the IAIS here, I've never seen the elevator actually moving cars during the loading process, so I'm not exactly sure how it was done in the Trackmobile era that I model.  I know the empties were tied down on the hill, or somewhere south of CPS at least, and the loads were pulled from north of the elevator, but I'm not sure how the Trackmobile got the empties off the hill tracks.  I'm guessing that they just set a lot of hand brakes and took a few cars to the elevator at a time, letting gravity help them along, but given the grade, I wouldn't think a Trackmobile could maintain control of too many.  Either that, or they tied on, knocked off all the hand brakes, and went for the ride of their lives. 
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- The "Hillis" passing spur appears to have disappeared, replaced with a single-track main http://goo.gl/maps/sjWJ3
Hillis siding has always been about three miles east of Hancock Jct. on the prototype (note the milepost numbers on the IAIS diagram), but I compressed it into the Hancock scene in order to preserve a bit of open rural running further east. I only have about 15' of mainline between the east end of Hancock and the west end of Atlantic, so if I hadn't compressed the Hillis and Hancock scenes together, I would have had nothing but siding between the two towns.  I didn't want to do away with Hillis altogether since it's used by the local to stage eastbound loads that have been pulled from Hancock, allowing eastbound road trains to make a quick pick-up without time-consuming runaround work at Hancock Jct.
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I'm playing with the plan in XTrkCad as we speak, attacking it from both "Proto size, squzzed down" and a simultaneous "modelling/mechanical minimum, blown up" perspectives. Hope to have something useful reasonably soon...
I'm looking forward to it!
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PS it strikes me that the 3-trk arrangement formed by the Jct Turnout and the Outside/Pocket turnout, and the lead to CPS and Hancock Elevator forms a kind-of Inglenook...
Okay, help me here please.  I've heard the "Inglenook" term used here a lot referring to switching layouts, but I've never known what it means exactly, and Google has been little help.  Is this just a term for micro switching layouts?
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Dave O

Inglenook Sidings ...

... is a simple shunting puzzle that packs a great deal of operations into a very small space.  You can learn more here:

http://www.wymann.info/ShuntingPuzzles/sw-inglenook.html

 

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Joe Atkinson IAISfan

Thanks Dave

Thanks for the quick reply Dave.  So...next question:  What's the "5/3/3 formula"?  I didn't see it defined on that site, and Google wants to convince me it's related to organic plant food.

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Dave O

5-3-3 ...

Is simply the number of cars that will fit on each of the three sidings.  the lead needs to hold the number of cars of the shortest siding (3 in this case) + a loco.

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ctxmf74

Oakland branch?

Was that once a north/south route that went somewhere? Did the elevator inherit the old main as their spur? .DaveB

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Joe Atkinson IAISfan

Oakland Branch

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Oakland branch?

Was that once a north/south route that went somewhere? Did the elevator inherit the old main as their spur?

Correct.  The Oakland branch originally came south from the original RI main at Avoca, IA.  When the RI finished a main line realignment called the Atlantic Cutoff in 1953, passing E-W through Hancock, the hill tracks were built to connect to the branch there, and the old main through Avoca, as well as the branch from there to just north of Hancock, was eventually abandoned.

 

Based on the alignment of the spur that now serves Hancock Elevator, it looks like the branch's main was abandoned adjacent to the elevator, leaving just the old elevator siding tying into the branch on both ends.  From Bing Maps, http://binged.it/GSLZP3 ,with the red line showing what I believe to have been the original alignment of the branch's main, where additional grain bins have since been built:  To be consistent with the track diagram posted earlier, this view is with South at the top.

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joem5127

I like the concept but with

I like the concept but with already having the location on the big layout wouldn’t it be a little bit of already been there done that?

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Joe Atkinson IAISfan

Been there, done that

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I like the concept but with already having the location on the big layout wouldn’t it be a little bit of already been there done that?

For me, yes.   I was just throwing the idea out there as a suggestion for anyone else looking for a small, simple prototype to model.

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Ironhand_13

"You mountain guys"

Iowa ain't flat.....ok, well, some of it is, but show me a state which isn't flat at some point?  Don't railroads love nice smooth flat land to plant rail fast and cheaply?  The Land Between Two Rivers, high bluffs on each E/W border (the Missouri and Mississippi Rivers), and even South (the Des Moines River as it passes through Lee County into Missouri) and there's a hilly bit in between here and there.  Maybe not as pretty and scenic as mountain ranges, and our ears don't usually pop going down a 'hill' (although there's a few places I can think of where they do) Iowa still has an un-sung geography.  Interstate 80 and the rails near it are a main conduit from West to East, and vice-versa.

BTW, Lee County isn't named for him, but Robert E. Lee, as a new Lieutenant in the U.S. Army, surveyed the Des Moines River, (he came up from St. Louis, Mo) to chart the rapids at said river as a military necessity.  There is a park near the area named for him.  Kinda nice to know that Robert E. Lee of the (future) CSA most likely pee'd somewhere's in the SE timber of Iowa, and probably more than once, given it was all on horseback or on foot....er, ah,.....  I don't even want to go into the fact that Lincoln campaigned for his first election as President in at least Cedar Rapids, and very likely (though un-documented) other Eastern Iowa cities/towns. 

Anyways, I think I got my point across.  We may be 'flat-ish' but we're not Nebraska!...sorry, Big Ten reference there..

 

-Steve in Iowa City
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ctxmf74

"but show me a state which isn't flat at some point?"

Yep ,even Cali is mountainous around the edges but has a huge flat central valley. This really effects the motive power seen on trains. Two units might move a train from Roseville to Bakersfield then it might take eight units to get that tonnage over Tehachapi..DaveB

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OhioMike

A lot of WOW factor here!

Drove truck in IOWA on occasion from chicago....mostly I-80. Regardless of Iowas flatness or not, Joes layout is incredible!!! Well done!!!

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ctxmf74

"Hancock, Iowa as a modest shelf layout"

If done in N scale the compression could be relaxed to get an almost prototypical look to the scene of those grain hoppers waiting on the main. Seems like a natural for some FreeMo-N modules? ......DaveB

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Michael Tondee

Interesting proto trackage in "uninteresting" surroundings....

Or uninteresting to me anyway. Obviously Joe likes the area and more power to him.....he's done a great job on his layout. Very realistic and very well done.  There is no rule though that says you can't pluck an interesting proto track arrangement from a flatlands railroad and plop it down in a mountain valley complete with streams and mountains if, like me, that's what floats your boat. That's the beauty of freelancing. You can still use that "LDE" but put whatever you want around it.

Regards,

Michael

Michael, A.R.S. W4HIJ

 Model Rail, electronics experimenter and "mad scientist" for over 50 years.

Member of  "The Amigos" and staunch disciple of the "Wizard of Monterey"

My Pike: The Blackwater Island Logging&Mining Co.

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Joe Atkinson IAISfan

Thank you

OhioMike, thanks very much!  I appreciate the kind words.

Michael, thank you as well.  I totally get that this locale isn't for everyone, and you bring up a good point about making adjustments if strict prototype modeling isn't your thing.  I'm just throwing Hancock out there as an idea, with the hope that it'll get someone to build a layout when they previously thought they didn't have the space, money, or time for it.

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Michael Tondee

Yes Joe, small shelf layouts...

....are great. I don't know that I'll ever get comfortable with the notion of the really narrow ones that is being espoused by some in the hobby but  as long as there is room for some three dimensional scenery, I'm a happy camper.  My current project is 2X10 feet which is not so wide as to make things difficult to reach but not so narrow that I can't put some 3D mountains in the background.

I can get so passionate about my beliefs when involved in freelance vs. proto discussions that sometimes people may think that I'm anti prototype modeling. I'm not and I've been trying to soften my tone up a bit. I like all types of modeling and when I see a well done layout, be it  proto or freelance I like to give credit where it's due. We don't all like the same things in life and I totally get that.  That's why it's best to keep an open mind when looking at a layout   of a really neat prototype track arrangement and try to see all possibilities. You can try and selectively compress and build it as it looks if you like or make plausible substitutions in structures,industries and scenery and come up with something different but still viable.

Regards,

Michael

Michael, A.R.S. W4HIJ

 Model Rail, electronics experimenter and "mad scientist" for over 50 years.

Member of  "The Amigos" and staunch disciple of the "Wizard of Monterey"

My Pike: The Blackwater Island Logging&Mining Co.

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Joe Atkinson IAISfan

Getting along

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I'm not and I've been trying to soften my tone up a bit.

I've noticed that Michael, and I wanted to tell you that I appreciate it. Not to get too far OT, but when I talk about my enjoyment of strict prototype modeling, it's never to say that it's the only way, or that others are somehow inferior for not doing it.  It's just what I like.  I'm a counter of my own rivets.   This is a hobby, so if we're not each doing what we personally enjoy, what's the point?

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Dave O

CPS unloading facilities?

Are there any permanent facilities for unloading the cars, or is all portable equipment?

I see in the drawing, where it mentions a 'pit' ...

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Joe Atkinson IAISfan

Unloading

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Are there any permanent facilities for unloading the cars, or is all portable equipment?

I see in the drawing, where it mentions a 'pit' ...

There's a granular pit adjacent to the north (bottom) end of the main facility, seen in this Bing image from  http://binged.it/19hC13M , marked by the lighter stripe under the trailer:

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Here's a closer pic of that end where you can see the conveyer from trackside to the elevator:

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For liquid fertilizer, the spot is further south near the storage tanks:

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