ChrisNH

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 Stepping Backward With Trees

Blog-049.jpg I have started teaching myself to make bottle brush trees. The technique should allow me to make classic confier firs like the Douglas Fir. Unfortately what I ended up with was something that looked like a stick used to sample pond algae.

The tecnhique is strait out of Joe Fugate's scenery dvds. You can get a copy of the chapter I used for this for a couple of bucks as a download.

The technique involves using wire, straw, and sisal to make the body of the tree. I cut 2" (I think..) long pieces of straw from the broom weeding out the big ones to make a N scale sized tree. These were stuck onto a 4" long piece of tape. A second piece of tape was laid on top trapping the straw.

The tape was fit between a wire bent like a hairpin. One end of this is clamped. The other end is chucked in a drill. The drill twists it all up into a bottle brush shape which is then trimmed into a conifer. I should have gotten a picture of the tree as I built it.. now there's an idea! I finish this stage off by spraying with grey primer.

I cut some sisal twine into billions of premium 1/4" sisalettes. This was a nice task to do on the couch (in a tray..) while me and the wife watched, appropriately enough, Chopped. I now have a quart jug of premium 1/4" deluxe sisalettes. The tree is sprayed with hair spray and coated in the sisalettes to give the tree body. I hit this with brown paint.

This seems to be the point where my technique and Joe's video part company. The sisal is not clinging in a believable and full fashion. Maybe my pieces are too small? Maybe the distance between branches is too great? I need to watch the video again and take another try at it.

The next step is to coat the tree with ground foam. If the tree looks like a mishapen cotton candy then all the foam in the world won't help. Believe it or not, the tree shown here really did start as a cone..

 Stepping Forward with Ballast

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My ballasting has improved quite a lot and is providing me with much more statisfaction. There is still quite a lot of work to be done and improvement to be made, but I seem to be headed on the right track. The improvement is due to both changes in materials and changes in methodology.

Changes

I purchased three containers of ballast material at the Scenic Express booth at the National Train Show. I got light gray limestone, dark gray limestone, and fine light cinders. This material is the real McCoy.. real limestone and cinder. It spreads well, holds its shape, and looks great. I can't say enough about how superior a product this is compared to the Woodland Scenics ballast I used before. The finer limestone material is in their print catalog but not online.

I made a few changes to the ballasting method. I used a pinched plastic cup to pour ballast rather then a spoon and I used a foam brush trimmed to the inside width of the track to spread the ballast on the inside. The material of the foam brush seemed to spread the ballast without sending it flying or digging it up where it was already flush. Some of this was the heavier material I was using. I shaped the shoulders using a plastic clay tool. There is one in particular I have that looks like a medieval pole arm that is especially good.

I spread the middle first. After that dried, I spread glue down on the shoulders and scenery edge and laid on the cinder material. I vacuumed up the excess. This made the cinder covered right of way appropriate for the transition era I am modeling in this case. My next layout will be 70s so I won't always have a cinder base. After that I came in with the light or dark ballast.

Some New (to me) Ideas

There were two especially key things that I have not read before:

- After getting the ballast mostly shaped I came in with a shop vac using the fine nozzle. I held it some inches away. This "pulled" the loose ballast from the edges and made a nice sharp ballast line on the dry cinders. The best part is it made the ballast fall down the edges making a very nice shoulder. My pole arm tool tended to leave a little bit extra on the shoulder that was perfect for this method. It didn't work in cases where I can't hold the nozzle far enough away, but where I could it was very effective. Unfortunately I really got this technique perfected on the FAR side of the light ballast in the image so you can't really see it at its best.

- I was using a alcohol as a wetting agent followed by a 50/50 mix of dilute white glue and water. I had used 3:1 water/glue but it wasn't holding. In the image above, the right half of the dark ballast is done this way. You can see that its a bit rough. Some of that is from so much wetting and pooling, Some is from crumbling when I rubbed it with my fingers. As an experiment I mixed detergent with 3:1 water and white glue. This worked great! It let me dribble liquid in only one pass creating less disturbance. It soaked in quickly and effectively. It glued hard and dry much more quickly. I was very pleased. I am wondering if the alcohol was interfering with the white glue? Maybe I used too much. Regardless, I am quite happy with my current technique. It requires less time, less glue, and produces better effect.

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Painting

This time I went the extra step to do some painting on the rail and ties. I used Floquil enamel weathering pens on the track. The ties were hit with railroad tie brown. Later I will go in and vary the color with some grimy black and a lighter brown in some places. The rail in the bottom track was done using rail brown. The top track was done using rust. I then hit the ballast of the top track dry brushing a polly-scale rust wash. I was very pleased with the result. I think the top track really captures a modern track look. In this case its the back of my oval. Its going to be an unused spur. I didn't weather it with oil in the middle.. I will instead be using ground foam and flock to make it look over-grown.

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Choosing a Color

Color slides from the 50s of B&M lines show them pretty universally dark. Presumably from ash and cinders from steam traffic. The glue darkened the dark limestone more then I would want. I will try to make a blend but I think it will look more speckled then medium gray. I know traditionally light color was mainline.. but the color pics I saw tended to show either fresh ballast, or dark ballast.. mainline or not. I am undecided at this point if I want to continue my mainline with the darker ballast. It seems off but I don't know how much of that is my diesel era sense of color.

Anyway.. thats what I have for now. I have some friends from my N scale group coming over in a few weeks.. so I will be doing my best to get the bridge finished and installed so I can run trains and get my basement picked up. My first open house! It should be fun. I will be getting some help with some tasks I need to bring my basement to a higher finish too. We can't afford a true finished basement but I can make it more comfortable.

Regards,

Chris

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Scarpia

Trees

Don't be so hard on yourself with the trees. I have a sneaking suspicion that this is the kind of thing you need to a few times to get results that are acceptable to you.

As it is, it looks fine - and is easily usable just a step out of the foreground, so you haven't lost a thing.

Thanks for the report on the ballast, I've been using non-WS cinder ballast that like yours is the "real" thing, and too prefer it.


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joef

On bottle brush trees, secondary branches help a lot

Couple questions on your bottle brush trees ... are you doing secondary branches? And are you using fine ground foam?

You'll know what I'm asking if you seen my video volume 5 ... otherwise I may need to explain myself more.

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ChrisNH

are you doing secondary

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are you doing secondary branches? And are you using fine ground foam?

I have watched the videos.. and in fact linked to the downloadable chapter on BB trees in my text. I need to review the video again. One down side to videos is that they are not easy to leave out on the work bench. I need to get those videos installed on the train room computer too..

I am using sisal cut 1/4" or maybe smaller here and there and sprinkling that on a hair sprayed bottle brush assembly for seconday branches.

I am using fine foam. Its mostly what I use for N. However, in an attempt to fill out the tree which was looking anemic on my first pass I may have overdone both the sisal and the foam..

Chris

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joef

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I am using fine foam. Its mostly what I use for N. However, in an attempt to fill out the tree which was looking anemic on my first pass I may have overdone both the sisal and the foam.

Looks like.

Depends on what kind of tree species you're trying to duplicate as well. Most conifers come to more of a point and have some sparse layers in between the thick layers. To duplicate that, don't put as many primary bristles in the core, and after you've done the secondary branches, be more aggressive with the scissors - hack up the middle of the tree more in a few places.

Also trim the tree to a more conical shape with a point on top - unless your specific conifer species has a rounder top.

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Benny

Your tree looks good - not as

Your tree looks good - not as a fir, but as another conifer altogether.  Perhaps a Ponderosa Pin, roughly 40-50 years old and in an open area where side sunlight is beneficial to the tree.

Next time, take the scissors and cut the bristles to look like a 2D christmas tree and then spin it with the drill.  The result should be a perfect christmas tree shaped conifer. 

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ChrisNH

Good Idea

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Submitted by Benny on Sat, 07/25/2009 - 05:36.

Next time, take the scissors and cut the bristles to look like a 2D christmas tree and then spin it with the drill.

Good idea! I was trimming them after I spun it out.. that will be a nice way to get at least a nice rough shape which can be followed up after I twist.

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Submitted by joef on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 15:35.

Most conifers come to more of a point and have some sparse layers in between the thick layers

I did try to get that effect but fell short of the mark. I started too sparse then ended up too thick. I will do some more trees this weekend.. hmm.. its saturday night already.. well.. sometime soon.. and if I continue to have trouble I will post pics of my intermediary steps to maybe get some help troubleshooting my process.

Chris

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Rio Grande Dan

There is a tree up the hill

There is a tree up the hill from my house that looks very much like the one you made.

not everything in nature is perfect. just take a day trip to your nearest forest and you'll find downed trees due to erosion, wilted trees from Beatles, deformed from fires, mud slides and lightning strikes and some just really funky looking bushes that were suppose to be trees and for some reason they just never grew up. Last but not least take a 3 X 3 inch piece of wood and drill a small hole into it and plant that tree and call it #1 and set it on the shelf as a tribute to your learning. Then after 200 or so cut another 3 inch square wood block stick tree #200 in the block and look at how much you have learned. After wards write up an article and have it put in an issue of MRH Magazine for inspiration to others to show everybody is a craftsman but just not always on their first try.

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BDF

Doesn't look that bad

I don't think it looks that bad. By all means do keep it, even if you don't like it you can use it as a filler in the back of a patch of trees.  Have you tried to prune it with scissors?  You might be able to trim the top enough to get that classic cone shape.  Do keep us in the loop, I'm eager to see if Joe's tree making method translates well to N scale.

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CSXDixieLine

Not as bad as you think

HAHAHAHAHA "sisalettes" kills me!!!!

I would say you actually are taking a step forward with your trees, although I agree it is a bit overdone and has lost it's "coniferness". Funny I have been studying up a lot on tree making lately (including Joe's videos) and "less is more" seems to be a recurring theme. Your work looks great and I know you will get these looking top notch. Jamie

PS: Still laughing at "sisalettes"

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Benny

You can thank a NMRA Clinic

You can thank a NMRA Clinic for my tips.  I aimed for making trees like the one you made for the simple reason that in my area you won't see many fir trees, and in some cases the pines we do have don't assume the classical shape.

The one thing you might do is put the groundfoam in a blender - but that might not be necessary.

Here is an Aleppo Pine tree...

And a couple Ponderosa...

So take your tree and plant it!  Make a couple firs this weeend, and I think you'll have it there!!

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ChrisNH

Thanks for the support!

Thanks for all the support guys, I will keep plugging away.

I think what I need is to find something better for the branches then cut whisk broom. It produces too many over sized pieces for N scale and makes it hard for me to get those the right density. Hopefully this weekend I can find a substitute and improve my execution.

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I enjoyed visiting your blog, nice work!

Chris

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joef

Try sisal for the primary branches too

Chris:

You can try longer pieces of sisal rope for the primary branches too. Another option is to get yourself some stranded wire, and use the copper strands as the primary branches. Copper has the advantage you can bend the branches later to give them a curve - a characteristic seen on some conifers.

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rfbranch

Blending Rail Color

Hi Chris-

As always, thanks again for a well organized, thoughful post.  I'm also planning on using the floquil pens to weather my rail.  I was curious to know if you had plans/ideas on how you might blend the two track colors, i.e. what you might do when a "rail brown rail" meets a "rust rail".

Also, your rust wash is kick-butt!  You should definitely be proud of that.

~rb

 

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ChrisNH

Sisal and Rust

Joe, I will try both sisal and copper as the main branches. If I recall, the first bit I saw you do with these trees on your Siskiyou forum you used sisal for the whole thing. Hopefully nobody will break into my house to strip my copper trees for their scrap value!

RB, thanks.. as for blending.. I was thinking I would start with the rail painted rail brown. THen I would go in and streak and wash with the rust pen. The rust pen is kinda fat.. tough in N scale. but one thing I thought to try would be dab the location where the tie plate would be and to dab every 3" to be the rail joints. I think its less about blending and more about dabs in the right place..

I wish they made a version of the pen with a finer tip. I defintely think that with N scale you can make a lot of hay suggesting track detail with color.

Chris

“If you carry your childhood with you, you never become older.”           My modest progress Blog

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