Rene Gourley renegourley

Andrew and I met in the garage again last night. The garage has been pretty full of layout for the past week, and soon the layout is going to be the sort of thing that I don't want to find bikes leaning against. Time to get it out of the way! So, up it went, next to the ceiling.

Actually, only the twelve foot section went up, the six-footer can lean against the wall for now. We were concerned about suspending the layout from too few points, and causing it to bow over time, and so, we built a cradle for it out of two L-girders and some 1x4's on the flat. The layout sits between the two L girders so that it presents a low profile and fits between the garage door and the ceiling.

To raise and lower it, I devised a pulley system where a single rope pulls up the whole layout. To be honest, it doesn't work as well as I'd envisioned yet. You definitely need to push or pull on one end occasionally to keep the whole thing level, but worse, the pulleys tend to bind. They cost me $2.40 apiece, and were worth every penny. Or perhaps it was the rope. In any case, it's not the trouble-free one-person operation I'd like it to be.

I'm going to investigate some nicer pulleys and rope at a boating store down the street from my office as soon as I get a chance. I may even pay as much as $5 per pulley if they look like they'll work better!

With the north section out of the way, we put the more manageable south section up on the saw horses to apply the cork to the roadbed. Next up, we'll be laying out the precise center-lines and laying ties. Let the modelling begin!

Rene Gourley
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David Calhoun

Boat Winch

That's your answer to a one person ability to raise and lower your layout. If you're going to make an investment, make an investment. Half measures lead to trouble each and every time. Something to consider. . . .

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LKandO

Did Same

Did something similar years and years ago with a 5'x16' slot car layout. Used an electric winch taken from the front of my old muddin' pickup truck when I scrapped it. Garage door steel rope and garage door pulleys completed the assembly. Back then we had a scrap dealer that would allow you to walk the yard. Old garage door tracks, springs, rope were plentiful in the piles. Bought it all for next to nothing. I am sure the lawyers have by now shut down common folk picking through scrap yards. Took some fiddling to get all the ropes even but once adjusted it worked great. Slot car racing on Saturday nights, up to the ceiling, car parked underneath Sunday - Friday. Sorry, don't have pictures. Way before the advent of digital cameras.

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dfandrews

The weight

The weight (Title used with apologies to "The Band") is what caused me to terminate my suspended layout.

I used a boat winch, rope and pulleys, which worked well.  SInce the crank handle stuck out in the garage aisle, I left the nut hand-tight so I could remove the handle instead of having it poke me whenever I wasn't looking.

As I added to the layout, especially scenery plaster, the weight became a discouragement to lowering it just for short work sessions.  I finally abandoned the layout.  The frame is now used for flat material storage.

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Rene Gourley renegourley

Thanks for the ideas

I'm not terribly concerned about weight, to be honest.  The plan is to get the track done in the garage where I can get at it easily.  Scenery and other heavy bits will wait until after the layout is installed.  If I can sort out the pulleys, lifting it with one hand should be easy.

 

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Nelsonb111563

Cheap pullys not the answer.

I would avoid the pulleys that do not roll on bearings.  I would spend the money to get good pulleys made for sailboat rigging as most are high quality and roll on ball bearing for silky smooth operation.  Won't be cheap but in the long run well worth it.  As for $5 dollar pulleys, there is a reason that they are only 5 dollars! 

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Bob Casey

rope is the problem!

I have a 6' x 8' n scale layout suspended from my garage ceiling. When I built it I used nylon rope aka parachute cord. It worked great the first two times. Then it would constantly bind and jam. I got bigger pulleys to prevent the jams. Not. I then bit the bullet and bought 1/8" cable at the local Lowes. Bingo! Two lines on a hand operated boat winch connect to 4 lines to each corner of the layout. Pictures at " photobucket.com/bob76casey". look for "lift mechanism" (22 photos).

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pipopak

Watch the weight also

Ceiling rafters are not designed to carry a lot of additional weight. Abusing them will cause them to bow down. In extreme cases could cause roof structure failure (the whole roof will cave), Jose,

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Rene Gourley renegourley

You may be right!

I think you may be absolutely right: perhaps if I had rope that couldn't slip off the pulleys and fall between the block and the pulley it would work better.  Will talk to the boat guys and see what they say.

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Rene Gourley renegourley

Checked out sailboat blocks

So, I went to check out sailboat pulleys today.  The smallest they make is $14, but can support a silly amount of weight.  Unfortunately, 7 blocks at $14 will be over $100 after tax, which doesn't make any sense for a temporary measure.  If I were planning to make a suspended layout for the long term, I'd certainly consider it.  So, for now, I will try a different rope, and possibly modify the pulleys I got.

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Rene Gourley renegourley

Simplified rigging and better rope works much better

Last night I changed the rope to a harder one with a tighter weave. I also made the two ends of the module work on separate pulleys. So now I have to pull on two ropes, but there is much less friction, and the rope isn't as eager to jump off as it was before. Still not a one-handed operation, but definitely livable for the short term. So there.

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