Canadian Shortliner

Hello everyone,

As the title says, I’m new here. My name is Jason and I’m 15 years old from Sudbury, Ontario, Canada. I’ve been reading these forums and have been meaning to subscribe to MRH ever since this site opened up, but I didn‘t get around to it until just recently, so I guess I‘m a little slow. But now I’m finally here, and I’m looking forward to getting some good advice and answers to some of my questions. This is a great site and magazine, and you seem to be a very helpful bunch and I hope to learn a lot from the community. But that’s enough babbling, let’s get on to the main purpose of this thread, my layout plan. But first, just to let you know, this post is pretty long, as I tend to write a lot, so sorry about that if it gets boring.


The Story of the West Bay Railway (WBRC)

The WBRC was inspired by the Thurlow Railway, which was a small railway that operated 2 miles east of Belleville, Ontario serving a large quarry and cement plant up until the late 1970s. For more for a brief history of it, visit http://trainweb.org/oldtimetrains/shortlines/thurlow.html. I came across it accidentally when I was researching the Bay of Quinte Railway, which also used to be located in the area and was (and still is) the railway I always wanted to model. However, realizing that any part of the Bay of Quinte Railway wasn’t going to work within my space, I decided that the Thurlow Railway would be the next best thing, and wanted to model it exactly, although in the present era. The problem though was that even though the quarry and cement plant, as well as the CPR and CNR interchange operations along the railway would be interesting, I didn’t feel there would be enough variety to hold my interest. So, I decided to “protolance” by adding in an industrial park, at the cost of eliminating the cement plant and CPR interchange. After playing around with the plan numerous times, it eventually came to be nothing like the original Thurlow Railway, making it more of a freelanced layout, so I decided to give it it’s current name, the WBRC. 

Since my layout went from following a prototype to being freelanced, I needed to create a history for my railway. So, using the Thurlow Railway’s history as a starting point, I came up with the following history for my railway.

The West Bay Railway Company (WBRC) began in 1898 as the Belleville Radial Railway (BRR). Using rails from the former Belleville Street Railway, this electrified line ran 2 ½ miles from the Grand Trunk line east of Belleville to the village of West Bay on the shores of the Bay of Quinte. Its only customer, also it’s owner, was the Belleville Portland Cement Plant, which was able to generate enough traffic to support the line.

In 1951, the line was dieselized, and in 1958, after financial trouble, the railway and cement plant were taken over by Canada Cement (later Lafarge Canada Ltd.), who continued to use the railway line. Switching however, was contracted out to CN (formerly the Grand Trunk), who merged the BRR into their system. There was a switcher permanently placed at the cement plant up until 1974, when Lafarge closed the Belleville Plant. With the line’s only customer gone, CN ceased operations on the line, and after two years, applied to the government for abandonment. It seemed unlikely that the seemingly useless railway would be saved, however, in 1975, the line and quarry properties were purchased by Ag-way Canada Inc, an aggregate company.

This company had recently discovered a very valuable deposit of limestone on the former cement plant site, which could last for up to 50 years, and wanted to use the railway to transport the estimated 40 cars of rail traffic per day that it would generate. In order to do so though, the yard in West Bay had to be relocated to the north end of the village to reach the new quarry and processing facilities. By 1976, this upgrades were complete, and the line was ready to begin operations.

From the beginning, AGC realized it would beneficial for them to own their own locomotive, and in 1976 purchased an EMD NW2 from the TH&B, patched it with their logo, and numbered it as 1300. Over the years though, as traffic increased, this locomotive would prove to be inadequate and very problematic. As a result, AGC replaced the locomotive in 1984 with a former CN EMD GP38-2, patched it with the AGC logo, and numbered it 1301. Although this locomotive was a large investment for the railway, it was perfect for hauling the two daily trains up the grade to the CN interchange, and also prepared the railway for future traffic demands.

Things remained the same for the line until 1985, when AGC granted rail service to a new customer in West Bay, Monaghan Lumber Specialties. In 1988, Ag-way added another spur in West Bay, which was used as a team track and a place for the quarry to receive some of it’s equipement. This was just the beginning, however, as in 1991, a new industrial park began development on the east end of Belleville. Seeing this as a great opportunity to generate more revenue, AGC quickly offered rail service to industries in this new development. By 1994, AGC had two more new customers, Rheem Fabrication Inc. and RS Scrap., a number which would double by 2001 with the addition of EMI Fuels Ltd. and WR Grace Canada Inc.

In 1994, AGC realized that it’s railway was no longer just a private carrier, but a profitable shortline, and decided to give the railway its own identity while still being under the ownership of AGC. As a result, it formed the West Bay Railway Co.. This new railway wasn’t much different from the old one, but the patched EMD GP38-2 was repainted with the railway’s new two tone green paint scheme. Also, one more daily train began operation to serve the new customers in West Bay and the industrial park.

From that day on, the line continued to operate as the WBRC. Serving seven customers, the railway continues to be an important and historical part of the communities of West Bay and Belleville, still having the same laid back pace as it predecessor did, over 100 years ago.

So, that’s the history of my railway- what do you think? Is there any improvements I can make to make it more realistic? Feel free to make any suggestions, as I want to make sure that my railway is plausible.

In addition to my history, I also came up with a fictional “prototype” map of my railway. I did have a hand drawn map that was to scale, however my scanner isn’t working so I made this crude MS Paint map that isn’t to scale.

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The Plan

Now that the background information is cleared out of the way, here’s the track plan. The plan is N scale, measures roughly 8’ x 12’, and was drawn with XtrCad. 

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The Operating Concept

Before you begin to critique my plan, I’ll give you an explanation of the operating concept so that you are better able to find potential problems. Also, you should know that the operating concept WBRC is not meant to be complicated in anyway. Instead it is meant to be laid back, combining some mainline running and simple switching with no tight schedule, signalling, or any reason to hurry. This is meant to be a small shortline after all!

The day for the WBRC crew begins when they pick up their locomotive at the engine house and fuel up for the day ahead. The crew will then run light to the CNR (staging) interchange to pick up 20 empty hopper cars. These will be brought back down to West Bay, where the crew pulls 10 cars at a time through the loader at the quarry. Once all the cars are loaded, they will then run around the train and return the cars to the CNR interchange. The crew will then pick up a mixed train with cars destined for the other industries on the line. On the way back, the crew will switch the only trailing point spur before running around the train in West Bay and switching the industries there and in the industrial park on their way back to the interchange. After dropping the switched cars off at the interchange, the crew will head back to West Bay and take a break until the evening. This will give me a chance to restage the gravel loads. Once I’ve done that, the crew will then end the day by loading another gravel train before returning to the engine house.

So, that’s the basic operating plan. To add more interest, I’ll mix it up sometimes, and include things such as special deliveries of heavy equipment for the quarry. Feel free to point out any flaws or potential problems in the operating plan.


Notes

- There is no backdrop on this layout as I find they make the layout feel small and confined- I prefer a more open feel. As for photos, I’ll just insert a sky using a computer, but that’s what I’d do anyway even if I did have a backdrop. Also, this layout is located in the middle of a room with access to all sides, which gives me the option to operate it from the outside as well.

- The benchwork for the layout has already been built, so it can’t be changed. Also, I’ve already have all of the track needed to complete either plan, so any changes must use the available track pieces.

- This layout will be operated using a Digitrax Zephyr with an UT4 IR throttle. I’ve already tested to see if the IR signal can be picked up from anywhere around the layout, and have not had a problem. For my N Scale Atlas GP38-2, I will be using a Digitrax DN163AO.

- The turnouts on the yard ladder in West Bay are all #5s. Also, the first right turnout at WR Grace in plan 1 is a #5 turnout. All others are #7.

- Speed limits are 20 Mph.

- Looking at the plan, you will notice there is no staging. This is because I don’t have enough funds to build one yet. However, when I do, it will be a simple 4 track yard extended off the bottom right end of the plan and will curve to the left and run along a wall. Until then, I’ll use the West Bay yard as temporary staging, with one consist left in the yard while the other is in use, leaving just enough room for a run around.

So, that’s my plan. Is it realistic? Do you foresee any potential problems? Are there any changes to be made? 

Critique away!

Regards, Jason S., modeling the freelanced West Bay Railway "The best road to travel is the one you build for yourself."
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BlueHillsCPR

Welcome

Jason,

Hi and welcome!

That's a great story.  You sure have put a lot of thought into your layout.  Please post some pics or even better, some video of your layout when you can.

I can't critique your plan too much because I'm still learning about track planning for operation but the two things I would suggest are; maybe you should think about another passing siding somewhere and a drill track on the yard would allow you to work the yard without fouling the main.  Otherwise it looks like a good plan to my inexperienced eyes.  I'm sure some of the resident operators will have some good input for you.

Good to see you here.  Thanks for those song links too BTW.

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Canadian Shortliner

Thanks!

Thanks BlueHillsCPR! I'll be sure to post some pictures and videos when I get some work done on the layout. I'm even planning on starting my own blog as well to show the progress. I'm not sure when all of that will be, though. I have some school projects coming up and exams are soon, so I'll be pretty busy. 

As for the passing siding and drill track, I don't think they will really be necessary. This is because during an operating session, I will only be operating one train at a time. As a result, fouling the main while in the yard won't be a problem. However, I may add a runaround near the industrial park on the right side of the plan. This could double as a passing siding that could be used when having an informal session and running two trains around in a loop. Also, if I ever change the operating scheme, I could possibly have the CN train enter the layout from staging (yet to be built) and interchange cars at West Bay, instead of having the cars already set up in staging. That might not be as realistic though, but it could add more interest and give a job to do if I have someone else operating with me. Either way, I'd probably add it in later, after I've started construction. Money is tight right now, as I've spent most of it on the benchwork, track, and trains, so I only have enough track and turnouts to complete the above plan and some different variations of it (you'd be surprised how many different versions I've come up with). However, when I have more funds, I'll definitely consider a passing siding.

Again, thank you for the suggestions. They are much appreciated. I'm a bit of a track planning novice myself, so every little bit helps!

 

Regards, Jason S., modeling the freelanced West Bay Railway "The best road to travel is the one you build for yourself."
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Jurgen Kleylein

Not bad at all

I really have no criticisms of your plan. You seem to have done your research and have come up with a very nice shortline/industrial plan. You have some interesting scenic possiblities and a good scenery to track ratio. Most importantly, you know exactly what you want and have come up with a plan which meets your goals. Have fun building!

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Rio Grande Dan

Jason you have a great plan

Jason you have a great plan and I know 40 year olds plus that don't have half the clue of what their doing as you seem to. Welcome to the forum and I can't wait to see your RR in operation mode. GOOD LUCK

Dan

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bear creek

Good job

About the only thing I see would be the last spur on the right hand side. It appears the lift out section must be in place to have enough of a track lead to switch it. If you're planning on leaving the lift out in place when running trains then not a problem.

Cheers,

Charlie

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Canadian Shortliner

Thanks Again!

Thanks Jurgen and Dan for the encouragement. When I first posted this plan, I thought there would be lots wrong with it, but so far it seems to be all good!

As for the track to scenery ratio, I've tried to follow the style of scenery done by Joe Fugate, Lance Mindheim, Pelle Soeborg, and the like. The minimal amount of clutter and the use of "breathing room" between scenes and scenery items are what really attracted me to their style of modelling. Of course, even though I have tried to keep things simple and as spread out as possible, it doesn't mean there won't be many interesting scenes. Some of the major scenes are the fill across the West Bay Marsh, the abandoned building next to Overton Creek along Highway 2, the WBRC shops, and the West Bay Restaurant, which is the favourite hangout spot for West Bay residents and the WBRC crew (I hear they make good chicken fingers and fries. Mmm! ). Also, in addition to these scenes, there will be many other smaller scenes, and of course the daily going ons at each of the industries.

On a bit of a side note, here's some stuff I forgot to include in my first post.

Here's the WBRC logo:

In addition to a logo, I also came up with a paint scheme for the WBRC. I got the drawing from http://paintshop.railfan.net/ and was drawn by Stan Lytle.I couldn't find a suitable GP38, so I used a GP40 instead. Here it is:

Also, earlier I mentioned changing the plan and operating scheme by adding in a runaround/siding in the industrial park. I'm still toying with the idea and some of the possibilities, and will try to come up with something tommorow. It's getting late here now, so I'll guess I'll be off to bed, but not before I watch my favourite TV show- Corner Gas!

Anyway, good night everyone.

 

 

 

Regards, Jason S., modeling the freelanced West Bay Railway "The best road to travel is the one you build for yourself."
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joef

Yes, you need a runaround track

Yep, nice plan ... you do need a runaround track on the right side of the plan in order to switch the scrap spur. All the sidings are trailing sidings on the right side of the plan except the scrap spur, which is a facing point spur. To get to that spur, you'll need a runaround track.

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ChrisNH

It looks like his plan is to

It looks like his plan is to only switch trailing point spurs when travelling in the appropriate direction. As long as the operating plan calls for having the train come back the other way he can probably get away without a run-around.. especially if thats how the prototype did it.

Another alternative is to have the train crew run light to pull the scrap yard before leaving the yard with the local. I had a similar situation on a layout I visited last night where I really had to pull the industries back to a small yard in another town to build a train before heading out. It was kind of interesting since I had to get permission from dispatch to cross the main to get to the spurs each time and had to wait for a passenger train for a bit..

Regards,

Chris

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Canadian Shortliner

Thanks for the Comments

Thanks for the comments everyone!

Charlie,

Yes, that is correct. The main reason that I added in the liftout section was to provide access back to West Bay so that the yard there could act as temporary staging, and so that I could have the option of continuous running if I wanted it. I never really thought about it acting as the switching lead for Rheem Fabrication, but since the liftout will be in during an entire operating session, it won't be a problem. Later on though, when I have enough money, I'll build a 3 track staging yard which will extend off that end of the layout and curve to the left along a wall. This will also remain in place for an entire operating session, so it won't be a problem either. Thanks for bringing it up though, as I never thought of that.

Joe,

It depends. If I go with the current operating plan, a runaround won't be required. This is because the scrap spur will be switched on the way to West Bay, and the other industries will be switched on the way back to the interchange, as stated by Chris. However, I'm working on a bit of a revision to the operating plan that was inspired by BlueHillsCPR. If I use that, then I would need a runaround in the industrial park. I should have this new idea posted sometime today.

Chris,

Yes, that is how I plan to operate.However, like I said in my response to Joe, I will need a runaround if I decide to go with my revision.

Also, on another side note, I have a question about XtrkCad. This question is how do I create/add rolling stock to use for running trains? I checked the sample plans, and they all had rolling stock available, but my plan doesn't. I read the help manual, but I still can't figure it out. I know how to run the trains in XtrkCad, I just don't know how to make them. Any suggestions?

 

Regards, Jason S., modeling the freelanced West Bay Railway "The best road to travel is the one you build for yourself."
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BlueHillsCPR

Well thought out!

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Jason you have a great plan and I know 40 year olds plus that don't have half the clue of what their doing as you seem to. Welcome to the forum and I can't wait to see your RR in operation mode. GOOD LUCK

Dan

That sounds like me alright!

Jason,

In XtrkCAD, when you click on the run trains icon in the toolbar you should get a window telling you that there are no cars defined in the current scale and asking if you want to use the Car Inventory Dialog?

If you choose yes you will be presented with the Car Inventory window.  Chances are, if you click "Add" you are getting a message about there being no car prototypes defined.

What you need to do is go to the File Menu - Parameter Files to load a parameter file for rolling stock.  In the Parameter Files window click on Browse and you will be presented with the Load Parameters dialog box.  Browse the available Parameter Files to find the file named protoam.xtp, select it and click OK.  The Parameter Files window should show the new Parameter File so click OK.

Now, click on the run trains icon again and say yes to the question about using the Car Inventory.  Once you have the Inventory window, choose add and use the drop down menus in the New "X" Scale Car window to choose either a Loco or a car and click the add button to add it too the car inventory.  Click add in the Inventory window again, to add more cars.  Once you are done, close the inventory window.  Now when you click on the run tains icon you will have rolling stock in the Hot Bar at the top of the design window and you will be able to drag and drop items on your plan.

If you need to return to the Car Inventory later, go to the Manage Menu and choose Car Inventory.

I hope this helps.  If you need more help let me know.

EDIT:  I am assuming you are using the latest version of XtrkCAD, version 4.02.  If not, you can get it here.

In case you didn't know, there is also an XtrkCAD Yahoo group where you can ask questions that you can't get answers for here, and where you can download updated and custom parameter files for XtrkCAD.

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Canadian Shortliner

Worked Perfectly

Thanks for the help BlueHillsCPR, it worked perfectly. Now I can finally get to testing out my operating scheme! And yes, I do have the latest version of XtrkCad, and I'll keep that Yahoo group in mind. Again, thanks for the help and the links.

Regards, Jason S., modeling the freelanced West Bay Railway "The best road to travel is the one you build for yourself."
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BlueHillsCPR

Good to hear!

Jason,

Glad that answered your question.  I'm happy to help in anyway I can.

Have fun with it!

Blue

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Canadian Shortliner

My Revision

Well, I've finished testing both of my operating schemes in XtrkCad, and I have to say I'm quite satisfied by both. My original scheme (described in my first post) worked flawlessly, while my new scheme (decribed below) worked pretty well, but still has some kinks to work out. So far, I'm torn on which one to use.

Here is the track plan with the revision. The only change is the runaround in the industrial park.

And here's the operating scheme.

- day begins with a CN train entering from staging. This train drops off 10 empty hopper cars and a mixed train with cars for the industries, then picks up 10 loaded hoppers left over from the previous evening.

- the WBRC crew begins their day by leaving the enginehouse and loading the empty hoppers at the quarry. They then return and sort the mixed train into the proper order for switching the industries.

- the WBRC crew begins their switching at West Bay, then moves on to the industrial park, making use of the runaround to switch RS Scrap.

- the WBRC crew returns to West Bay and takes a break until the evening.

- the CN train returns in the evening and drops off 10 more empty hoppers, then picks up the loaded hoppers and mixed train.

- the WBRC crew then loads the empty hoppers, leaves them in the yard over night, and returns to the enginehouse to end the day.

So, what do you think about this operating sheme? Do you think it's better or worse than the original one? Again, I'm torn on which one to use, so which one would you prefer? I know it's my decision, but some of your opinions would still be useful. Also, here's some of my personal pros and cons of the new scheme.

Pro- having the CN train enter the layout will make for more interesting operations and variety, especially with  motive power.

Con- having the CN train enter the layout may not be realisitic, as it would be and inconvenience for CN. On the other hand, the Belleville yard is less than 1 mile from the imagined WBRC junction, so it wouldn't be too far for the Belleville yard switcher to travel. It may also be practical for CN, as the Kingston Sub is part of the Windsor- Quebec City corridor, and is teeming with trains travelling at fairly high speeds, especially VIA trains going 100+ Mph, something which an interchange yard could disrupt. Also, I believe that on the original Thurlow Railway, the Belleville switcher did interchange cars at the cement plant yard (I'm not sure though), making this idea not so far fetched.

Pro- The fact that the train will have to be sorted into the correct order will provide an additional operating challenge, making ops more interesting.

Con- Eliminating the run to the interchange yard may make things less interesting for the WBRC train. However, this is somewhat countered by the runs made by ther CN train.

Pro- Eliminating the interchange yard will mean a smaller staging yard, and therefore less cost.

Con- Using this operating scheme will require another locomotive and more track, which will cost more money. However, I can still use the old operating scheme at first, then add in the runaround and purchase another locomotive when I have enough money.

That's all for now. Tell me what you think about this new scheme, and which one you prefer. Your input will be much appreciated.

EDIT: After doing some thinking, I realized I could eliminate the need for a runaround. This would be done by having the WBRC run light from West Bay to switch RS Scrap, then run back out to the industrial park and switch the remaining industries. However, since there wouldn't be a runaround, this would mean that the train would have to back all the way back to West Bay. This would require the use of a caboose, which I think would add some more interest to operations. I don't know if this would be practical, but it's just a thought. Currently, I'm beginning to lean towards my new operating scheme in my decision, but I'm still not certain, so I'm still looking forward to any further input.

Regards, Jason S., modeling the freelanced West Bay Railway "The best road to travel is the one you build for yourself."
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BlueHillsCPR

The runaround

Jason,

 I like it!

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Canadian Shortliner

Thanks!

Thanks BlueHillsCPR! At first I didn't think the runaround would look right there, as it might make it look too cluttered, but it turned out fine. Everything operates smoothly, at least in XtrkCad, and I've decided to go with operating scheme 2. As for eliminating the runaround and using a caboose though, I don't think that will be possible. I tried operating that way and the yard got clogged, already having been pushed to it's limits. It was pretty much impossible to do anyting without a plethora of fancy moves, especially when trying to switch RS Scrap, so it was more of a pain in the butt than an added operating challenge. I guess I'll have to stick with the runaround, but that's fine with me.

Anyway, I guess that's it for critiquing my plan. If anyone still has any more suggestions though, I'm still listening. I should be able to start laying track on the already completed benchwork sometime this week. I'll be sure to update you guys on the progress, but don't expect much right away because, as I said earlier, I'll be pretty busy. 

Before I go though, I'd like to thank everyone for their kind comments and suggestions. They are much appreciated. Also, I'd like to give a special thanks to BlueHillsCPR. Although he didn't suggest it directly, his idea of adding a passing siding inspired the idea for the all new operating scheme, which has greatly increased my excitement and enthusiasm for the layout and helped me realize it's full potential. Not bad for someone who considers themself a "40 year old that doesn't have half the clue of what their doing". 

Thanks Everyone! 

 

Regards, Jason S., modeling the freelanced West Bay Railway "The best road to travel is the one you build for yourself."
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BlueHillsCPR

Oh my...

Thanks for the high praise Jason, but I can't take credit for the idea.  I was just trying to use lessons I have recently learned from Joe Fugate, Charlie Comstock, Byron Henderson...and a number of others here at MRH.

Honestly your plan looks really great.  Good job!

Since you asked.

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Using this operating scheme will require another locomotive and more track, which will cost more money. However, I can still use the old operating scheme at first, then add in the runaround and purchase another locomotive when I have enough money.

I think this is the direction I would take.

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Chris VanderHeide cv_acr

Operation Scheme

Both track plans look pretty good, I would keep with your original operating plan, but that can be done on both versions.

I wouldn't have a CN switcher run down onto the shortline, I'd think that the shortline would try to avoid giving CN that business, and CN would probably try to avoid the hassle, hence the disposition of the line to a shortline in the first place. The interchange yard would be designed such that the West Bay crew arriving to pick up cars shouldn't have to ever go near the CN main - so no traffic would ever be disrupted.

Switching the scrap spur shouldn't be too difficult, either with or without the runaround. You just switch it on the southbound journey (no fancy moves required), and take any outbound cars down to West Bay yard and take it back to the interchange the next time a train goes north to CN. Since your train will travel both directions over the entire line, there's no need for any long shoving or backup moves.

The runaround can be left there to so that all the spurs can be switched in either direction by performing a runaround, but it would probably actually be easier just to haul the cars through and switch the trailing point spurs in one direction only. But if you kept the runaround there, you could always use it to store extra overflow or off-spot cars. Take a trip up and down the local shortline here in Guelph and you'll see them doing the same thing. There are some tracks near one industry that if you simply looked at a track diagram look like they could be used as runarounds, but are always used for storing covered hoppers for the industry right beside them. An old unused mill spur/runaround outside of town and another siding and storage spur in town are also used for storing extra cars.

Either way, you can probably just operate without the runaround - and if you do include it, the prototype would likely be more inclined to use it as storage rather than as a runaround. You can runaround in west bay and switch the other spurs on the way north on the next trip. Although if there are priority or "hot" cars coming in from the interchange for spotting, then a small shortline would do what they can to get those to the customer right away, where a larger railroad might not care as much. Always remember though that a train crew will try to get away with whatever is easiest, which usually means dragging a car all the way through if has to be set out on a facing point spur and let the next crew deal with it, when it will be an easy trailing point setout.

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Canadian Shortliner

Thanks

Thanks for the suggestions. After reading your post, I have decided to go back to the first operating scheme, as it is more realistic. I`ll still include the runaround, though. That way, I can use it for storage like you said, as I know some of the industries could have overflow. Also, I can use it for the second operating scheme, which I`ll probably use once in a while for fun and a bit of variety.

I was planning on posting some progress photos this week as I managed to get all the track down, but I had to start over. This was because the caulking turned out to be no good. It was cheap stuff, so it didn`t hold the track securely. I had to rip it up and buy new caulking. I can still reuse the track, but they`re a mess and so is the benchwork. I`ll have to clean them off which will take a while. With school projects coming up, I probably won`t be able to show any progress for a while.

Anyway, thanks for the comments.

 

Regards, Jason S., modeling the freelanced West Bay Railway "The best road to travel is the one you build for yourself."
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Jurgen Kleylein

There's a prototype for CN running on your tracks

There are ways to incorporate CN running locos on your tracks which would not stretch credibility too much.  One specific operation I saw myself was where CN ran its own units down the Huron Central to get a unit train of gravel from Bruce Mines.  In this case it was worth CN's trouble to go get the business itself; they just had to pay Huron Central for the operating rights.

Since you already have a gravel quarry that would be an obvious possibility on your layout as well.  The scenaro would involve your locos switching the gravel cars and assembling them into a train (you would want at least 10 or more cars; 20 would be better) and when enough were loaded, CN would send a couple units down the line to fetch the train.  That would give you an excuse to build a big train once in a while and you would still run your regular operations even when the CN train comes to town.  It's something to consider.

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Benny

NICELY DONE!!! Not much more

NICELY DONE!!!

Not much more I can say!

Put in the passing siding, you need it to get that runaround.  it will be nice to have it - you could even make it long enough to have two trains running ont eh route at ones, one north, one south!

So, when will it be built? ;D

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Canadian Shortliner

Good Idea

To Jurgen,

Yes, I actually thought of that a while ago but forgot. It's a good idea to add variety and thanks for reminding me. Also, in my "prototype" map, the CP Bellevile sub also crosses the WBRC between the industrial park and the interchange. This would also allow me to run CP locos as well as the CN ones, especially if there is something like a ballasting project going on on either railway. I have another idea to add more variety in terms of locomotives, and it doesn't involve changing the operating plan. I wouldn't be implementing the idea until  everything is up and running, so you'll have to wait and see what it is. 

To Benny,

Yes, I will be putting in the runaround. It will give me more options, and like you said, it can be used as a passing siding if I'm not doing an operating session and I'm just running trains. As for the construction, the benchwork is complete sans the fascia and curtains to hide the benchwork. ZLike I said, I had to start over because of the caulking, and cleaning the tracks will take a long time. That combined with school projects and exams mean I won't get much done until sometime in June. Don't worry though, I'll post pics when I get the track done.

Regards, Jason S., modeling the freelanced West Bay Railway "The best road to travel is the one you build for yourself."
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