Kirk W kirkifer

Gang, 

I have a few 44 tonners that I have picked up at shows and I want to use them in the most appropriate way. 

Since I model the 1990s into the early 2000s, any use of such locos would be as an inplant switcher or maybe an interplant (same company... plant 1 and plant 2, etc.)  switcher and probably painted in factory colors such as a LaFarge cement scheme or something. 

The question I have concerns ditch lights. Has anyone ever seen a GE 44 ton loco with ditch lights? I never have. This is perhaps due to a few reasons all are related to not being required. 

1)  The locomotive does not cross public grade crossings.

2) If the loco crosses public grade crossings, it does so at less than 20 mph.

3) The age or purpose of the loco exempts it from the requirement (not required on steam engines)?

Although I am totally okay with freelance things, I would like to be as correct as I can, so what do you all think? 

Kirk Wakefield
Avon, Indiana
 

 

Reply 2
Volker

I think for the USA you have

I think for the USA you have answered your question. In Canada the situation seems a bit different. I haven't found the exemption1) and 2) in Canadian rules instead yard engines are exempted: https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/railsafety/rules-tco76-338.htm

Scroll down to 16. Illuminating Devices.

And here is proof for the saying there is a prototype for everything, a Port Stanley Terminal Rail GE 44t with ditch lights: http://trainiax.net/photos/2007/2007-07-05-pstr/photo-pstrl3-1-2007-07-05-pstr.JPGand another one with its train: https://www.railpictures.net/showimage.php?id=495311&key=7283864

That is the only one I found so it is not the rule.
Regards, Volker

 

Reply 1
Prof_Klyzlr

Investigation

Dear Kirk,

Intriguing question, lets go for a walk and see what we can find...

A quick Google search concurs that there are few contemporary 44-tonners running around with ditch lights,
(although that could well be just a factor of what pics have been uploaded online and crawled by G),

It would appear that Museums and Tourist Railways are the ones "most likely" to retrofit ditchlights on a 44-tonner.

Examples

Southern Prarie Railway

Newport Narragasset

Port Stanley Terminal RR

What we can take away from this is:
- mechanically/electrically, it's entirely possible to equip a 44 with ditch lights
- above or below-deck/frame level lights are both possible

If we limit ourselves to contemporary industrial and in-plant 44-ton switchers, then yes, ditchlights seem more "optional" than "mandatory"...

Nucor Steel, Seattle

Southwest Metal

Modoc RR Academy

AgriCo Florida

ADMX

Upshot, it's your choice, you could justify either ditch-lights or no,
but the key factor may well be whether you want-to/can-wire and decoder-config with a spare 2 or 4 outputs to make them work?
(Discretion is a modeller's friend in many cases...)

Further reading/investigation

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/locoList.aspx?mid=214

https://www.railpictures.net/

https://www.locophotos.com/Search.php

Happy Modelling,
Aim to Improve,
Prof Klyzlr

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Kirk W kirkifer

Thank you professor !!!

I looked for shots like that and simply could not find them. 

I'm not sure I like the way they look. Maybe, I will leave them off?  Then again, it would be truly unique. 

The Narragassett unit looks unique with the horns and the RV air conditioner

Kirk Wakefield
Avon, Indiana
 

 

Reply 1
Volker

I too must have looked in the

I too must have looked in the wrong places finding just one.
Regards, Volker

Reply 1
dssa1051

Green 44 tonner

The green 44 tonner (Nucor Steel, Seattle) really gets the modeling juices flowing.  A green diesel in a grey world!  Is that photo contemporary or historical?

I'd vote for no ditch lights!

Robert

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Ken Rice

Nucor 44 tonner

That is a nice looking little critter.  That photo above appears to be a screen grab from this youtube video, which was filmed 1/16/2010.  Wether that’s contemporary or historical depends on your viewpoint I guess.

If you search around youtube there are other videos of the same critter.

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Kirk W kirkifer

Nucor has excellent examples

I don't really model the steel industry, but if you have a model that you "just have to have" but can not find a prototype, travel to your closest Nucor Steel facility and you are likely to find something interesting. Old flatcars, ancient switchers, unique signals... on and on...

Kirk Wakefield
Avon, Indiana
 

 

Reply 1
laming

By GCOR

By the GCOR rules as of a couple years ago (when I retired) the absence of ditch lights restricted the move to no more than 20 MPH over a public crossing. Other than that, you could run like the blazes.

I do recall early on my company I worked for had a couple or so engines not equipped with rear ditch lights. Sucked to use one a 20+ MPH main line when running long hood forward.

Andre

Kansas City & Gulf: Ozark Subdivision, Autumn of 1964
 
The "Mainline To The Gulf!"
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ctxmf74

Since I model the 1990s into the early 2000s,

The first engines I recall seeing locally with ditch lights were the new SP GP60's ,so around 1990 ditch lights were a pretty new thing. You'd have to look up the implementation date of the rule that required ditch lights to know if they'd be required on all engines by early 2000's. I doubt an owner would add them to a 44 tonner if it wasn't required at that time. Tourist line  engines are not a good guide for engines of the past era, as they are modified to suit the present use and rules.....DaveB

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MikeHughes
Love that roof beacon, and the ditch lights.  The B&H invented the concept in about 1967 to keep errant Stegosaurs off the tracks.
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Nelsonb111563
Simply because you are modeling "modern" operations I would install them.  Even if the loco is in "captive" service in a yard, who's to say that it will never venture out onto the main!  Long industrial siding that even crosses one road is reason enough to add them when the loco picks up/drops off cars at an interchange!
Besides, I like the looks of bright headlight/ditchlight combos!

Nelson Beaudry,  Principle/CEO

Kennebec, Penobscot and Northern RR Co.

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MikeHughes
^^^ Agree!
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