Dock scene

Perhaps the December 1975 issue of Model Railroader is what you are looking for? It had an article about the Severna Park model rr club's urban scenery. The cover has a picture of a dockside switcher navigating street trackage(model scene). However, I believe that there may have been proto pictures in the article. Unfortunately, I don't have a copy in my possession to check. 

You can try trains.com magazine index. Use tracks in street for search topic. One article was in Railmodel Journal Dec. 92. The site doesn't always work consistantly for me.

From Railway Preservation News B&O C-16

Here is the search string I used.  "baltimore and ohio railroad c-16"

There may be more, this pic was near the top.  The first C-16 pic is has a Pinterest link which I will NOT use.  However under the Pinterest link there were others under  Related images.

This one from Railway Preservation News and another from Classic Trains Magazine.

Hope this helps

Ernie

December 1975 issue cover page

Here is a link to that issue's cover,....but I wonder how to find the other photos that were likely displayed inside that issue?

Severna Park Club

Did find this image, but not much else...(about those images I was looking for)

Big Boy in Fells

Big Boy in Fells Point....YIKES

(No idea as to whether they were talking of a model train BB, or a real one, ....was a facebook reply)

re: Big Boy in Fells Point

I don't see how it would have been a real one since the Big Boy was only an UP engine, so I wouldn't see why one would be anywhere near fells point.

Now maybe a C&O Allegheny, but can't believe that they could make that mistake and really doubt they would make any of the curves.

11 Years Old

When that issue of MR arrived in the mail. Impressed then, and still influences my modeling. 

Dec '75 MR issue

There are several issue available on ebay

Imagination working overtime

Since I not found that image I thought I remember seeing, I guess I will have to chalk it up to 'imagination working overtime'.

I did run across this image of Halifax, Nova Scotia that sort of captures some of the idea,....and yes the railcars did enter the pier terminal building.

May be thinking of Paul

May be thinking of Paul Dolkos' Baltimore Harbor district in the December 2015, and January 2016 Model Railroad also Tracks in the Street I think October 2017

Just out of curiosity...

Brian,

Just out of curiosity, since you've posted so many images of the wharf, car float and intermodal all in one area, so to speak, here's my question. Do you have an operating plan on how all of this will flow? Based on all of your research that you're putting in to your railroad, are you building this for operations? Would love to know more...

Neal

Philadelphia's Delaware Avenue

It was the nominal home of the PRR's 0-4-0 "Shifter", due to warehouse and wharf track curvatures akin to that Nova Scotia photo above.  Between Pinterest and Alamy, my 'Google-Fu' is coming up short for sharing links to photos of the area.

Tim B.

Pier Terminal

I don't think anyone ever said that cars did not enter the pier terminal.  That's why there are tracks leading inside them.

Operating Plans

Per your question about the wharf, car float and intermodal all in one area, that central peninsula area of mine is what I am working on planning at this time. I am trying to cover this in 2 subject threads:

1) Industrial & Port Facilities on my Peninsula
2) Center Peninsula Track Planning, …..Container Terminal

As some have said I am trying to put 10 lbs of stuff into a 5 lb bag. Granted its true. Basically I like trains running thru a variety of industrial scenes. I don't care to model streets, and cities, and automobiles, etc. I like as wide a selection of industries as I can put on my rr,...and sometimes this can get crowded on a relatively small layout,....and even more so on my relatively narrow peninsula area.

I must confess to NOT being very interested in 'operations' in the past. For one thing I've not been back in the hobby for that long that I ever got involved in how it worked, and secondly I never took the time to study it so I could become knowledgeable about train switching operations. So I am relatively ignorant about the subject, (this is one of the reasons I am asking for help in track planning in several areas on my layout).

I am interested in how I might go about switching engines and cars on different areas of my layout. Perhaps if I do a half-way decent track planning effort, I will learn more about it in the future,..as I try to do some operations. I believe I have provided for ways to bring freight trains into my peninsula area, and a way for the big mainline engines to escape back to their 'facilities'. I would like to do some switching operations to get cars onto the carfloat, and to get cars out to the dockside crane, and to get cars over to the 'allied car repair' facility, etc. I am imaging that I could use that little steam 0-4-4T loco I have, a new B&O docksider, a BLI trackmobile, and several diesel switchers I have to accomplish these operations.

I am still NOT interested in waybills, etc.
 

Yesterday I was playing with new ideas for my pier terminal building and the carfloat structures themselves. I think I have arrived at an acceptable new arrangement,...that I will add to my specific discussion on that other topic thread,...today.

As concerns the side trip onto this subject thread, ...perhaps I went overboard with subject matter and photos. That resulted from that long held memory of an image I thought I had seen about the Baltimore waterfront/wharf area that was just bugging me to the point that I had to see if I could find an image that replicated my imagination. I won't have room for such an area on my small condensed peninsula, but I just wondered if my memory was flawed that badly....ha..ha

cars entereng pier terminal

There were a number of folks on another forum that commented negatively about those cars destined to the car float should not be entering (going thru) the pier terminal. I realize this is not exactly kosher, but considering my 'scene compression' it was a necessary evil. 

Operations vs. track stuffing

Several people have pointed out operations related things which I think you may not have caught on to yet.  For example, big mainline engines would not be running into a small stub ended intermodal terminal, they’d cut off in the yard and a switcher would move the short cuts of intermodal cars to and from the terminal.  Stub tracks in the intermodal yard would work fine.

Two general points...

Interesting (and realistic) operations happens when all the parts work together to efficient get each car from where it currently is to where it needs to be.  Like terminating a mainline freight in the yard and using a switcher to move the intermodal cars into the intermodal terminal, classify other cars that came in into local trains to go serve various industries, etc.

Interesting operation is facilitated by having the right trackage in the right place, not by stuffing as much track into a given space as you can possibly fit.

As is frequently and correctly pointed out, it’s your railroad, build it however you want it.  The only reason I’m posting this is you say you think you want to try doing some operation in the future, and if you’re serious about that I think you might end up happier in the long run if you stuffed a bit less in.

If you subscribe to Running Extra, perhaps read this article about how a load gets from shipper to receiver:  https://forum.mrhmag.com/magazine-feedback-was-ezines-891776

Severna Park club pictures

So I was at our club (BSME) last night and found the article mentioned in this thread (MR Dec. 1975), however the only prototype photo included was of Thames St. and it didn't have anything like you mentioned.

Will keep an eye out for warehouse wharf scene, might show up in some B&O book.

I wonder if it is in one of the Morning Sun books on the B&O, don't know when I'll be able to check though as they are in storage.

Necessary?

Its not a "necessary evil."

Its an "evil" you have made a conscious choice to include.  It is not "necessary" to cram a container terminal, a municipal pier, a car float and a dry goods dock all into a 2 ft x 8 ft space.  That is your choice.  You could just as easily picked one of those things, two of those things, three of those things.  All of the scenes you are trying to emulate are a single scene in a similar space.

If you want all 4 that's up to you, but that's a choice, your choice, not a requirement.  If you like it and its exactly what you want, great, mission accomplished.  In the end, you are the only person that needs to happy with it.  If you really don't care about operations, not a problem.

Jim B:  Thanks for keeping a

Jim B:  Thanks for keeping a look out,...that imagine in my mind will forever haunt me until i find out if its true or not,...probably my older mind....

Dave H:   You are correct, it was a choice I made because I could not find another spot for the pier terminal. But I want to thank you for convincing me I needed to condense the carfloat spot. I might not have dealt further into this situation had it not been for your posting & images of your 'removable carfloat'.

The primary operations I want to learn about is how those switchers move cars around, then escape themselves to work on other car positioning. I

West coast versions

Give Google a try for:

San Francisco railroad ferries

Click on images and have a look see.  Might give you some additional ideas.  Russ

Cars entering the pier terminal building

I'm sure that cars will enter a pier terminal; but I'm very sceptical if they will leave it on the other side. Why?

Why would cars enter a pier terminal? To be loaded or unloaded therein, protected from the weather - and to sort and store the lading temporarely. A through-track to a car float would be very annoying: everytime a car float arrives, all loading or unloading in the terminal has to stop, all cars have to be moved out, work in the terminal could only restart after unloading and loading the car float. That's very unlikely to happen.

In my opinion it's all good with a car float and with some track leading in a pier terminal. The problem is the combination of the two: a track into a pier terminal with a car float behind this pier terminal, so the terminal track has to be a through-track - I can barely imagine a prototype of this.

ChiloquinRuss,...I believe it

ChiloquinRuss,...I believe it was a result of following your idea that I ended up at this site,...interesting
 

Rail-Marine Information Group
http://www.trainweb.org/rmig/index.html

and subsequently to this PDF
http://www.trainweb.org/rmig/waltclin11.pdf
 

RAILROADING ALONG THE WATERFRONT WITH WALTHERS,
SOME PROTOTYPE IDEAS AND FUTURE DIRECTIONS

by John Teichmoeller

This gentleman appears to be very knowledgeable about the subject, and particularly so about the Baltimore waterfront. I'm hoping I can gain access to some sort of photo gallery eventually.

Pier vs. Intermodal yard

You do realize that the "municipal pier" and the intermodal yard are in many ways mutually exclusive.  

Container traffic put the break bulk piers out of business to a large extent.  Looking at New York, Baltimore and New Orleans harbors, there wasn't a single "municipal pier" in service.  The only one of those harbors that had a single ship capable of working a "municipal pier" was Baltimore, because it had a Liberty Ship on display as a museum.

Thanks Dave,   yes I do

Thanks Dave,   yes I do realize they are mutually exclusive,...as is the use of steam engines to haul container cars (I'll have my share of those as well, because I really like steam engines).

I probably have a few other such 'errors' on my rr. I just didn't want to be restricted to any particular era on my model train railroad. Wonder what folks are going to say when I run my Acela or my Orient Express on this layout