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I was recently contacted by the officials and owners of the Robert B. Hill Salt Company. They had found my MRH Blog about the building of their car. This is the story that ensued and the gifting of the model to the company and it's amazing owners and staff.

https://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/21066

Thomas W. Gasior MMR

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splitrock323

The rest of the story.

 

On October 28th, I received a Facebook Messenger note on my Splitrock Mining Company page. It was from Mr. Aaron Weber of the Robert B. Hill salt company. He was researching the internet to see what was posted about the company. This is where my blog on MRH from January 2015 showed up.

 

https://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/21066

 

He asked if we could chat about the model. I assured him I still had the model and would be more than happy to show it to him and the owners of the company. 

 

I then realized that this would make the perfect retirement home for the car. I picked up a clear display case and put in some track and ballast. I then retrieved the car from its temporary home on my friends layout, carefully wrapped it up for delivery.

 

I also received a nice message from Ms. Katie Hill, the granddaughter of Robert B. Hill. She related how nice it was to find that someone modeled one of their cars and that their whole family was rail fans. She and her family appreciated the effort I took in creating the model. 

 

Soon a meeting was set up for a Friday morning. My wife and I went to their St. Louis Park, MN facility and were greeted by a friendly staff. Mr. Weber could not attend but Mr. Jeff Hill, the owner was very happy to give a full tour and explain the operations and history of moving salt from a covered hopper into storage, trucks and bags. They handle many different types of salt and still do some bagging in paper. Thats quite an operation with a very large sewing machine to seal the top of those heavy bags. They also build water softeners for any and all sizes of new construction, specializing in large commercial softners. 

 

e%20sign.jpg The outside of the Robert B. Hill salt company in St. Louis Park, MN.

 

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d%20salt.jpg Just some of the various products that they can deliver.

 

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Paper bags are still created in the facility. Extra points if someone can point out the error in their artwork. ( Its OK, Jeff showed me and noted they don't want to change it. )

 

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The auger in the roof of the salt storage portion. They can move the salt to various bagging or bulk service areas via conveyors and augers.

 

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The end of the salt storage room. If any of you scratch builders want to recreate this, Jeff showed me that the walls have 2x12 inch studs...on 6 inch centers. It's a sturdy room for all that weight.

 

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They were loading one of their commercial trucks for bulk deliver to many large buildings in the Twin Cites area. The back of the truck is three large hoppers.

 

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Here is a car on their spur. It  has been moved by winches to get each compartment over the grate area. 

 

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Here is the end of the line. The box contains the cables and winch for moving the car. The parking lot next door where the errant boxcar was pushed belongs to the City of St Louis Park. So yes, it was the Police station too. 

 

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Detail of conveyor system used in emptying the cars.

 

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CP Rail crew using two loads to grab the empty. There is a small run around track about 1000 yards back. They will use this to spot one load, then leave the other load for offspot. You can see the wear and tear that covered hoppers receive in salt service. 

 

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The train moving thru the backyards of the industrial park. To the right is actually Minnehaha Creek. It is a beautiful area. The cars squeal so much as they use the airbrakes to get an exact spot, it is tough to talk on their phones or have discussions while the train is working.

 

 

During the tour, the Canadian Paciifc was kind enough to show up and pull one car and spot another. Jeff and I talked to the crew and watched a little bit of switching. Their spur is on the tail end of an industrial siding. Jeff also told me a humorous story about the former Milwaukee Road boxcar on their property. He says they were using it for storing bagged salt and such, outside their loading dock. The Twin Cities and Western crew was shoving cars down the spur and the conductor knew the spur could hold 13 cars. He didn’t account for the extra boxcar placed at Hill Salt. Jeff said he arrived in the morning and the boxcar was pushed into the neighboring parking lot. I guess it was time to move it away from the track and switch to hoppers.

 

After our tour, we adjourned into a conference room where I presented the car to him and his family. He was very happy about the detail on the car and that I even added some weathering. I told him I didn’t want to add any graffiti, as the car had been tagged in its final years. 

 

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Presenting the car to Jeff Hill. You can see the NMRA award plaque I received as the car won First Place at the Thousand Lakes Regional Convention. I also gifted the plaque to Jeff and his family.

 

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Jeff admiring the detail and me explaining how I knew the color of the hatches. I was glad they didn't get mad at me.

 

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Jeff enjoying his new trophy case item.

 

Jeff and I have a chat about the cars and how I became interested in it. 

Video by my lovely wife Diana,

 

 

I learned hat both cars, RBHX 2 and 3, had been retired. We talked about the first car they owned, which was a black colored hopper of a different design. I don't know if they plan on purchasing any more railcars. 

 

We took some photos together and we said our goodbyes. I now know that RBHX 3 is in its proper home, and will be viewed and enjoyed for years to come. The internet continues to amaze me with the connections we make.

 

For any more information, Please contact them. 

 

https://www.hillwater.com

Thomas W. Gasior MMR

Modeling northern Minnesota iron ore line in HO.

YouTube: Splitrock323      Facebook: The Splitrock Mining Company layout

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jeffshultz

The logo

That's a very, very interesting cloud... behind the sun.

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splitrock323

Jeff noticed!

Yea, thats a bit odd, but they still like it. 

Thomas W. Gasior MMR

Modeling northern Minnesota iron ore line in HO.

YouTube: Splitrock323      Facebook: The Splitrock Mining Company layout

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Ken Rice

A salty tale

A nice spot for your car to end up!

Also interesting details on the salt company itself, and nice shots of RR side of things.  A salt distribution company would make for a neat small industry on a model railroad.

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TomO

Nice

Congrats on a good placement for the car. Interesting world we model!

Tom

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splitrock323

Salty modelers only.

Ken - yes, it would make a great industry to model. 
 It a a one car industry in a modern setting. 
The cars are usually very weathered and rusty, per the attached photos.

Tom O - Thank you. It is an interesting world. There are more train fans and modelers out there than anybody knows. 

Thomas W. Gasior MMR

Modeling northern Minnesota iron ore line in HO.

YouTube: Splitrock323      Facebook: The Splitrock Mining Company layout

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blindog10

If they only have two cars

How long does each car stay on spot?  In other words, how long does it take them to empty one car?  And fo the two cars always travel back to Utah together?  Or is one in transit while the other is being emptied?

Thanks.  I very much enjoyed both threads, and everything you've posted about the the Split Rock.

Scott Chatfield

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qtlkcr

RBHill Salt, aerial photo

Take a look at Google Map, you will see Robert B. Hill Salt Company, RBHX 3
The covered hopper that was modeled is parked for unloading. Google Map does not update satellite photos that often.
Lat/Long from Google Map,  44.931731, -93.370283

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Vince P

Cool subject

Really nice the car became a respective model in the office nice job
WNW Fall 1979 
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splitrock323

Travel time, satellites and office model

Scott - They had two cars one time. RBHX 2 & 3. The cars are in a pool of others that travel back and forth between Lynndale UT and Minnesota. There are probably 5+ cars in transit at one time to this company. They can empty a car in one day. They don’t have any means of moving their own cars....yet. Jeff Hill mentioned they should look into that. I suggested a track mobile of sorts. Told him you could even buy a real one on the auction site. 
 

JFLing - great catch on Google earth. This shows the former MILW RD boxcar parked alongside the tracks. You can also see a portion of minnehaha creek in the lower right. 
 

Vince - It makes a great conversation piece, or at least I think so. 

Thomas W. Gasior MMR

Modeling northern Minnesota iron ore line in HO.

YouTube: Splitrock323      Facebook: The Splitrock Mining Company layout

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BOK

Tom is this location the end

Tom is this location the end of "skunk hollow"?

Thanks, for the nice story and your efforts to please some nice folks.

Barry

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splitrock323

The end it is.

Barry - Yes, this is the current end of those tracks. The service comes down from the CP ( ex- MNS ) and there is a run around track. There used to be a switch that lead to the TCW ( ex-MILW Rd ) but I think that is gone now due to the light rail construction. 

Thomas W. Gasior MMR

Modeling northern Minnesota iron ore line in HO.

YouTube: Splitrock323      Facebook: The Splitrock Mining Company layout

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Tom Edwards edwardstd

All that remains of Skunk Hollow

That's a pretty interesting portion of the Twin Cities. Back in the late 1800's the folks in St. Louis Park (named after the "St. Louis Road") wanted to have their own railroad. The result was something called the Belt Line that had a lot of joint CMStP (Milwaukee Road) and MStL trackage. That short industrial spur where Hill Salt is located is all that remains of a complete oval, a reversing loop of sorts, and many customer sidings.

Here's a 1918 Milwaukee Road right-of-way valuation map that shows the various parcels and when they were purchased.

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The map is oriented so that East is on top and the Hill Salt spur would be a short extension off of the curve on the bottom right corner of the map. If that curved track would still be in place, it would run through the paved area on the east side of Hill's building. The railroad that became the MN&S wasn't built yet at the time of this map.

This 1952 USGS map showed that some of the Beltline trackage had been removed, some had been rearranged, the MN&S crossed over the Milwaukee/M&StL mainlines on a bridge, and the track connecting the MN&S to the Belt Line was in place. It also showed that the future home of Hill Salt was a swamp on the edge of a gravel pit.

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If someone wanted to model a prototype location that included an oval and lots of industrial sidings, this would certainly be one to look at.

Thanks, Tom, for telling this interesting story about a little corner of the railroad industry!

Tom Edwards

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splitrock323

Well sourced Tom

I’m glad I could introduce more people to ‘Skunk Hollow’ in the western suburbs of Minneapolis. It has the Milwaukee Road, M&StL and MN&S. Lots of variety in a packed area. A friend of mine, Dave Vos, brings maps of the Twin Cities area to our RPM meet, the Modelers Retreat, every year. I hope to get copies this year. 

Thomas W. Gasior MMR

Modeling northern Minnesota iron ore line in HO.

YouTube: Splitrock323      Facebook: The Splitrock Mining Company layout

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