Jouef, Bachmann, Rivarossi, etc

I believe Bachmann imported one built by Jouef of France?

Didn't Rivarossi also build one??

Does anyone have one of these models in their personal collection,...and if so what is the detail like, and how well does it run??

Orient Express

Modify?

Perhaps change out the motor,...then put those big flanged wheels onto a piece of sandpaper and turn them down a bit??

Flanges

Turning Flanges

Good point Nathan. I imagine they should disassemble pretty easy if not powered. Now have to figure out how to do those on the powered tender?

I don't have my set at hand, and likely it will be a long time till i get around to this project. Still it could be an interesting and relatively non-risky project.
 

Wonder if there were ever any brass models of this engine built?

That Roco model looks very well done. That company does lots of nice stuff.

Jouef

Jouef is now owned by Hornby. Liliput is now owned by Bachmann Europe. Rivarossi along with Rocco, Fleischman and Maerklin may have also offered the iconic Chapelon Pacific in HO. Rivarossi is also owned by Hornby.

Only the "Mountain" US class 4-8-2 EU class 2-4-1 is in the current Hornby Jouef offering.

Of course the Orient express was pulled by different locomotives as it passed from Paris to Istanbul. A change of locomotives would take place while the local border guards checked that all passports were in order and that nobody had been murdered while stalled in a snow drift on the last segment. 

Movie model

It would be neat to do an Orient Express model of the locomotive used in the most recent remake of the movie that just came out within the last couple of years or so. It was hard to get any good look at the locomotive in the movie, it definitely had 8 large driving wheels, with thin spokes and no counterweights. It also had C.G.I. effects to give it the long cow catcher/snow plow in front that the real locomotive used in the movie did not have. However, that plow in the front made it have a menacing look to it, that would be interesting to duplicate. 

Movie Train

There is a thread across the pond on RMWeb about the locomotive used in the 2017 movie at  https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/128005-steam-loco-in-murder-on-the-orient-express/

Trix model

Interesting video.
 

I saw where there was mention that Trix did a model of that engine, but the link failed to work.

Marklin model

Marklin model, (translated to english)

Rivarossi catalogue

Something I did find in my stack of books and train catalogues,...a large format type catalogue/book by Rivarossi dated 1983-84, titled "Rivarossi HI-FI Scale Model Railways". Must be over 100 pages long, covering their significant product range in HO & N scales.

And on its cover, a picture of the Orient Express boarding passengers in Paris.

The Trix model is essentially

The Trix model is essentially the same as Marklin with one exception. Trix is the DC model, Marklin 3rd rail AC.

https://www.trix.de/de/produkte/details/article/22941/?tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bbacklink%5D=0&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bpage%5D=1&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bperpage%5D=10&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bera%5D=0&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bnewonly%5D=0&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bavailable_only%5D=0&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bgaugechoice%5D=0&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bgroupchoice%5D=0&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bsubgroupchoice%5D=0&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bsearchstring%5D=&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bsearch_artnum%5D=&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bcatalog%5D=0&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bsearchres%5D=0&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Bfeature%5D=0&tx_torrpdb_pi1%5Blang%5D=2

Regards, Volker

Trix model

Wonder what they cost, and if they ever show up used?

When new the MSRP was

When new the MSRP was $659.99. They are sold out.

Here is a review of the Trix locomotive: http://modelrailroadnews.com/a-star-is-born-trix-sncf-class-241-a-steam-locomotive-in-ho-scale/
/> Regards, Volker

Great Review, thanks

Just a couple of excerpts from that review,...
 

Gentlemen remember ...

... European "Modellbahn" stuff is in reality camouflaged toy train stuff. May be looking pristine, may be running excellent, but when it comes to running gear, wheels and track, there is virtually no difference since those antique aera when miniature locos were powered by an clockwork.

The real holy cow is the flange depth. For this every new constructed loco have those deep flanges. In case of the French 241A with it's huge drivers which are spaced narrow together the designing engineer has the choice between hell and devil:

a) Make the longitudional distance between the drivers bigger => the overall wheelbase will become out of scale and for this the proportions of teh whole loco may be distorted.

b) Minimise the driver diameter, the wheelbase will stay prototypical exact, but the smaller drivers will disturb the prototypical appereance

c) A combination of a) andb) => this will move the model definitely out of the scale model range into the freelance toy train realm.

The second holy cow is the abiltiy to run on top of a kitchen table. But no generous American kitchen table, instead the standardized German kitchen table is meant. Those kitchen tables all have a traditional depth of only 80cm (31.5") resulting in an "holy" radius of 360mm (14"). All rolling stock has to negotiate these 14" radius, so the 241A too.

This is resulting in a further departing from a protopical model. There are a bunch of compromising necessary like a smaller diameter of pilot and trailing wheels, much too wide mounted cylinder blocks, latter often atrophied to give space for the pilot wheels in the tight 14" radius and other barbarities.

Gentlemen be aware of these inadequatenesses.

For the prototype: http://www.voisin.ch/vvt/materiel/autres/241-a-65.html

And: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/241_Est_241002_%C3%A0_241041_et_241_%C3%89tat_241-001_%C3%A0_241-049

Lutz

Rivarossi HO Orient Express, taking the roof off?

Hey guys.  So, I want to airbrush the roofs of several of my Rivarossi Orient Express coaches, but I can't figure out how to disassemble the cars.  Anybody have any experience/tips//suggestions?  GREATLY appreciate them!