Nevin W. Wilson NevinW

Here is a new track plan for everyone to give their opinions about.  This is owes much to Eric Hansmann as he wrote about this line for a Layout design Journal article he wrote on using short prototype segments for layout designs.  The actual FBL is a very old industrial area just off of the B&O line through Fairmont West Virginia.  It went up a steep grade and then serviced a number of industries including glass factories in downtown Fairmont.  It had a remarkable amount of industries in its short 2 mile length.  It also had a connection with an interurban line.  Modeling it in the 1920's or 30's might be very interesting.  Google Earth reveals that a fair number of the buildings and even some of the track is still there, which is really nice for modeling.  Fairmont will be about 2 hour drive from my new home so I hope to be able to visit it and take pictures.  Fairmont is close to one of my favorite golf courses so that will be another excuse to visit.  

It does have a non-prototypical continuous running cut-off.   My last layout, the Tonopah and Tidewater was also a relatively sincere point to point but did not have any capability for continuous running which something I regretted.  I anticipate 1-2 two plan crews operating this layout.  

Let me know your opinions about this design and how to improve it.  Purple track is staging and not part of the layout.  This one looks like it is going to get some serious consideration.  

 

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Chris Ellis

180 degree flip?

If any cars will be sitting on those staging tracks within the lift-up section, I would rotate your design 180 degrees. This would make the lift up section part of the bridge scene instead. 

If no cars would ever be parked on the lift out then never mind.

Otherwise I've seen Eric mention this line before and like your take on it.

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Ken Rice

Nice plan

I'm not familiar with the line.  But that looks like a nice plan.  Are there any branches that continuous run connection near Helmick Foundry could represent?  If so, you could use the part of the connection that's not on the lift out as staging for the branch during an op session.

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Steve kleszyk

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Will be following as I am getting ready to start a similar version of this plan.  Any chance we can get some specs and G&Ds?

 

Steve

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Tim Moran Speed-Mo Tim

Yippee! Fairmont Belt Line under development.....

Nevin,

So very glad to see you "adopting" the Fairmont Belt Line! I've been a fan of the design ever since Eric shared it a few years ago.

Looking forward to your development of this design!

Tim Moran Akron, OH

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Grenzer47

Continuous Running cut-off track

I like the idea of making provision for continuous running. In my opinion it’s always a good idea to fit that into any layout that offers any opportunity to do so. I realize that continuous running has fallen out of favor with many of the big names of the hobby and many “state of the art” layouts avoid it to the point of making it impossible. 

I take a different view. Even if you have possible continuous running that doesn’t mean you have to operate it that way. But you can if you should ever want to. Rather like taking a life vest with you in the boat, even if you’re a good swimmer. You may never use it but it’s there in case it’s needed. A cut off or “sneak off” track such as is provided for in this plan can be disguised as a weed grown, buried in the cinders, rarely used spur. It just becomes part of the scenery in normal operations.

Barry P

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Nevin W. Wilson NevinW

Fairmont Belt Line first revision

Here is the second version of the FBL.  I found a 1930's valuation map in a WVU urban renewal project report on the Fairmont Belt Line on-line.  It is fuzzy and I can't figure out how to copy it, but it did give me some insights.  I made these revisions using it and re-reading some things from Eric's article.  Fairmont Mining and Fairmont Wallboard have been reversed and the trackage for Fairmont Mining & Machining resembles the prototype a bit more closely.  The Armour Packing/ Dickenson Building supply area now has the crossover included. I found a nice picture of the depot and freight station from across the river that will come in handy.  The only problem is that the Fairmont bridge appears to be on the other side of the station.  I want to use the bridge to end the station scene and run under it to staging.  I may leave it where it is.  

I love valuation maps, but they can be remarkably hard to find sometimes.  If anyone knows of a site where I can find these maps for the B&O let me know.  They may be on the B&O Hist. Soc. Website but I can't find them.

 

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VRS-Eric

Nice!

i like the revision a lot.  And the continuous run track now looks like part of the Fairmont Wallboard complex, so it's more hidden than in the original plan.  Looks like a fun layout to switch.

Eric

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KHaus41369

Nice layout

Great layout....what's the dimensions??

Kevin

Modeling something to do with the Grand Trunk Western.

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Nevin W. Wilson NevinW

Dimensions

The layout design is 11 feet by 28 feet and is designed to go into an attic space in our new home.  Some work will be needed on the room prior to it's construction to make it habitable.  The minimum radius is 27 inches and it is designed with Walthers code 83 turnouts mostly #6 but a few curved and #5's.  

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janreimers

Interchange

To me this looks like a great looking and well thought plan.  Just enough but not too much track. The interchange between Fairmont Milling and Monograph glass looks a little odd because it could easily be mistaken for the spur serving Fairmont Milling.  Is that the interurban interchange?  What does that track plan to the prototype interchange look like?

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Steve kleszyk

So I ripped off your plan a little

I'm in the same boat as you except only 16' long.  But I'm just guessing, and I adjusted to suit my needs, but something like this?


TIA

Steve

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Eric Hansmann Eric H.

Prototype data

Nevin is using a Layout Design Journal article I wrote as inspiration for his Fairmont Belt Line. The piece was published about a decade ago. Here are a couple of images to assist readers in understanding the area at the end of the line. This is the upper portion of the mile and a quarter branch. The Monongah Glass complex is at the end and you can see the traction connection. Click on the image to review the full size.

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Here's what the glass factory looked like. This is along the bottom side of the tracks.

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Here's the building on the far side of the tracks. This was the box and warehouse facility.

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The tracks went along side.

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This is the machine repair shop. You can see a sliver of the box factory to the left of the phone pole. That's where the tracks were located. I believe all of this is now gone or has been converted to another use. I took these images about 15 years ago. 

The Fairmont Belt Line is a great prototype for a manageable sized layout with lots of operating potential for anyone modeling between 1915 and the end of steam. 

Eric

 

 

 

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Nevin W. Wilson NevinW

Mon West Penn Traction interchange

According to the B&O Valuation map on Eric's article the Mon West Penn Traction Co. connected to the B&O at the longer of the two tracks between the Fairmont Box company and the Monongah Glass company.  The MWP line curved very sharply to the north from that connection.  Eric is going to send me the complete valuation map for the FBL 

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brental1
I realize this post is very old.  Maybe you've already built it.  Two pieces of information.  From a 1904 B&O Form 6, stations--with Miles from Grafton in []-- were 2021 [20.7] New England Connection (maybe the became the MR connection?); 2021A [20.7]  Gaston Junction; 2021 B [21.0]  Helmick F'dry & Mach. Co. ; 2021 C  [21.4] Dickerson Bld'g & Supply Co.; 2022A [21.8] Fairmont Brewing Company; 6068 [21.9] Fairmont, P.5,655.  Also, I never heard of Fairmont Wallboard.  It was Fairmont Wall Plaster.
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Nevin W. Wilson NevinW
Thank you for the information.  I ended up modeling the Maryland Midland instead.  However, we are contemplating another move which might give me a new railroad room and I might consider resurrecting the Fairmont belt line.  It would make a great model railroad.  

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Eric Hansmann Eric H.
brental1 wrote:
I realize this post is very old.  Maybe you've already built it.  Two pieces of information.  From a 1904 B&O Form 6, stations--with Miles from Grafton in []-- were 2021 [20.7] New England Connection (maybe the became the MR connection?); 2021A [20.7]  Gaston Junction; 2021 B [21.0]  Helmick F'dry & Mach. Co. ; 2021 C  [21.4] Dickerson Bld'g & Supply Co.; 2022A [21.8] Fairmont Brewing Company; 6068 [21.9] Fairmont, P.5,655.  Also, I never heard of Fairmont Wallboard.  It was Fairmont Wall Plaster.
Brental1, the B&O Form 6 books are great resources for developing a model railroad. They document additions and changes in the railroad as well as the customer base. Just as technology evolves over the years, so does the railroad and their customers.
 
To add context on a few of the places you noted from the Form 6 book, Gaston Junction was the MR Sub connection that went south to Clarksburg. This was originally built as the Monongahela River RR and bought by the B&O in 1905. I'm uncertain of the New England Connection in that same area. I know there was a New England Coal Company that had a few mines in the Fairmont District. IIRC, these were bought by Fairmont Consolidated Coal, which then became Consolidated Coal (Consol in our current day). The other locations are customers on the Fairmont Belt Line. The separate branch may not have been identified in the 1904 edition. I've got the 1922 edition that has the line identified, but there isn't a New England Connection.
 
The Form 6 book neatly documents these type of industrial branches using a bracket and a branch label. The Fairmont Belt Line is listed in this way, while other branches have a separate call out and listing. This may have been because there was potential for extending the right of way. A couple other Fairmont branches are listed like this, the Palatine and Hickman Run branches.  These came off of another B&O line and served East Fairmont, across the river from the Fairmont Belt Line.
 
Other railroads had similar documentation, but they didn't follow the same format.
 
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brental1
Thanks for the info.  I'm just guessing that the New England Coal Company mine predated the construction of the Monongahela River Railroad by Camden; so the switch would have at least been in the area of the later Gaston Jct. switch (both 20.7 miles from Grafton).
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Eric Hansmann Eric H.
I don't know, Brent. I did find this short history of the company. I can't quite figure where the mine and tipple sat. I wonder if the access went down the south bank of the West Branch, while the MR Sub/Monongahela RIver RR followed the north bank.
 
 
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brental1
You may be right about the mine being on the south (east) bank of the West Fork.  You can see that the piers are still present where a railroad crossed the West Fork.  Left side of pic.Piers on West Fork River.png
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Eric Hansmann Eric H.
Bingo! I think you found it. Here's a 1901 USGS topo map that confirms the crossing and identifies the New England community!
 
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brental1
Great.  This map confirms something I've been curious about for the last 10 years.  As a pre-teen, I spend countless hours  exploring Palatine Knob on the east side of Fairmont.  There was an abandoned mine, O'Donnell Mine between Palatine Knob and the river.   In spite of my mother's concerns and warnings, I spent time around the mine.  I would get close to the opening, to feel the cool air; but never ventured in.  At that time, the remains of the tipple, tracks from the mine to the tipple and some mine cars were still there.  I had always assumed the coal had been loaded on trucks at the tipple.  The road under the tipple led to Diamond Street.  About 10 years ago, I saw a picture of the mine area that was taken from the west side of Fairmont.  When I saw the pic, I thought the road actually looked like a railroad grade.   I've wondered since then if the mine was served by rail and if so; was it served by the Monongahela Railway which terminated just north of the mine, or by the B&O.  This map confirms that there was a B&O spur across the bridge from Gaston Junction to the mine!  And, a trivia item.  Barely visible on the map, just west of New England is Jayenne.  Jayenne area, and school, were named for J. N. (Johnson Newlon) Camden.  I think the school is still active today.
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Eric Hansmann Eric H.
Neat stuff!
 
And of course, Johnson Newlon Camden built the Monongahela River RR, WV Short Line RR, Ohio River RR, and the WV& Pittsburgh RR. All of which went to the B&O in 1905.
 
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Bessemer Bob
Gentlemen,
 
This thread is one aspect of this hobby that I truly enjoy.
 
Thanks for sharing the discoveries! 

Think before you post, try to be positive, and you do not always have to give your  opinion……

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brental1
brental1 wrote:
Great.  This map confirms something I've been curious about for the last 10 years.  As a pre-teen, I spend countless hours  exploring Palatine Knob on the east side of Fairmont.  There was an abandoned mine, O'Donnell Mine between Palatine Knob and the river.   In spite of my mother's concerns and warnings, I spent time around the mine.  I would get close to the opening, to feel the cool air; but never ventured in.  At that time, the remains of the tipple, tracks from the mine to the tipple and some mine cars were still there.  I had always assumed the coal had been loaded on trucks at the tipple.  The road under the tipple led to Diamond Street.  About 10 years ago, I saw a picture of the mine area that was taken from the west side of Fairmont.  When I saw the pic, I thought the road actually looked like a railroad grade.   I've wondered since then if the mine was served by rail and if so; was it served by the Monongahela Railway which terminated just north of the mine, or by the B&O.  This map confirms that there was a B&O spur across the bridge from Gaston Junction to the mine!  And, a trivia item.  Barely visible on the map, just west of New England is Jayenne.  Jayenne area, and school, were named for J. N. (Johnson Newlon) Camden.  I think the school is still active today.
Here's a picture of the Palatine (or O'Donnell) mine.  On the east side of the Monongahela. 325931324_883636272756513_8848804823866318764_n.jpg
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