Kirk W kirkifer

This is the beginning of the first staging yard ! Yeah !

As you can see, there is a standard ladder on the right hand side of the module. The left hand side has a compound ladder. I really find that the compound ladder does not look like it should, but the real estate cost is A LOT lower. So, I going with it for now.

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I'm not really sure why I spent the money on a bunch of Atlas rerailers. I have seen this done in many other staging yards and I am sure it will keep me from having rerailing issues in a tightly packed yard.

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So, I used Atlas components here in the staging yard. I used a lot of PC Board ties to strengthen the Atlas turnouts and hopefully will help keep power flowing freely to the points, frogs and other places that are problematic areas for power interruption.

These Atlas switches will be controlled with a variety of twin coil machines controlled with Digitrax DS-64 modules.

 

 

Kirk Wakefield
Avon, Indiana
 

 

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railandsail

Its staging, why should looks matter?

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I really find that the compound ladder does not look like it should, but the real estate cost is A LOT lower.

Per the title, why should looks matter in a staging area.?

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Kirk W kirkifer

Correct, functionality is the key !!!

Brian,

Correct. It is far more important that this thing function properly. I do not have the switch machines ready to go in, just yet, so the cars are wanting to pick the points. I am also having some trouble with the wheels dropping into the frogs. I have thought about trying to melt solder into the frog but I think it will destroy the switch before I have much success.

Does anyone know if there is some kind of epoxy putty that is electrically conductive?

I hope old Atlas switches were not a mistake... I got them over the years for a dollar or two each, so no big loss if they don't perform.

 

Kirk Wakefield
Avon, Indiana
 

 

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arbe

Turnouts

The Atlas turnouts are OK, but as they start giving problems for me, they are taken out and replaced with Peco.  Very well pleased with that brand.

 

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ACR_Forever

Peco for staging (and mainline...)

No question.  For staging in HO, Peco code 100.  Yes, they don't look like a North American switch.  Like Brian said, it's staging.

Peco C100 advantages

- built in spring - no need for a switch machine, flick it with your finger; no need for a control panel, then, either.

- Using a Medium Peco, the footprint is just about as compact as you'll get with a switch that will handle 85' passenger, or modern freight cars.

I drill a half inch hole under all the point crossbars, just in case I ever want to add a switch machine.  A tortoise will reliably switch the Peco 100, or Peco 83, or Peco 75; you just need to replace the piano wire they give you with a larger diameter (stiffer) wire.

I use a mix of Peco 83 and Walthers 83; in almost all cases, I'd prefer to use the Pecos, but I've got a stockpile of Walthers 83, and my budget isn't infinite, so the Walthers pile will get used... slowly, in locations where I either have to have a switch machine anyway, or a particular configuration suits, like their curved switches. 

Blair

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Kirk W kirkifer

Compund ladder = more storage...

Even though I do not like the compound ladders, they have SIGNIFICANTLY increased my storage space. I now have 11 tracks that are all at least 18 feet long. Each track is 216 inches long x 11 tracks equals a total of 2,376 inches of storage. I have no idea what the average car length will be but I estimate this staging yard will now easily hold 250 -280 cars.

There are three separate leads into the staging yard. Two leads split into 4 tracks each. The lead in the middle splits into three tracks.

What do I need to think about regarding staging? Can I simulate two or three different destinations with the different leads? Should one of the track groupings be preserved for passenger/commuter traffic only?

Each of the two main levels has a folded dogbone (out and back concept). That means that I could run from Staging yard A to Staging yard B or C.

The plan, WAY DOWN THE ROAD... Is to connect two major metropolitan areas. So, there will be another hidden staging, albeit not nearly as big on the top level for those trains that leave Metropolitan area A and traverses the entire layout to Metropolitan area B.  The other two staging yards could be smaller urban areas or even interchanges.

Any thoughts regarding operations?

Kirk Wakefield
Avon, Indiana
 

 

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Nick Santo amsnick

Ever wonder why.....

old Atlas turnouts are $0.50 each at the bargain basement and the Pecos don’t exist there?

Rhetorical question....

Nick

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Kirk W kirkifer

well actually... no.

I wont give more than a dollar or two for old Atlas switches, but they often have a higher price tag. To pay more really doesn't make sense. Peco switches were simply not as ubiquitous as the Atlas switches, but I do find them from time to time. I will give a little more for Peco, but used is just that...

 

Kirk Wakefield
Avon, Indiana
 

 

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David Husman dave1905

Compound ladders

Compound ladders are actually pretty common in bowl tracks where, surprise, surprise, they want to minimize the yard lead and maximize the number of tracks.  

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ACR_Forever

Staging and operations

Comments in italics interspersed.

Even though I do not like the compound ladders, they have SIGNIFICANTLY increased my storage space. I now have 11 tracks that are all at least 18 feet long. Each track is 216 inches long x 11 tracks equals a total of 2,376 inches of storage. I have no idea what the average car length will be but I estimate this staging yard will now easily hold 250 -280 cars.

Staging yards - the purpose is staging, switch configuration or appearance is irrelevant; if the yard is buried, switch function and reliability is paramount.  Whatever gets the job done; ideally, figure out what the job is first, then design the staging.  If you're running varied length trains, varied length staging can work.  in the extreme, if they're all the same length trains, but the tracks vary, you'll be governed by your shortest track.  

There are three separate leads into the staging yard. Two leads split into 4 tracks each. The lead in the middle splits into three tracks.

Might be great, might be terrible.  Depends on what you're going to do with the three separate sub-yards you've created.  For example, restaging trains for the next session might be a pain, if you have to move whole cuts of cars from one subyard to another via the main layout.  But if the three subyards can be assigned different purposes, and their sizes are appropriate for those needs, you might be good to go.  For this reason, I've always preferred one large staging yard, where I can assign tracks for different purposes as my knowledge of the layout needs improve.

What do I need to think about regarding staging? Can I simulate two or three different destinations with the different leads? Should one of the track groupings be preserved for passenger/commuter traffic only?

Purpose, purpose, purpose.  Design the layout to do something, make the staging fit the layout's needs.  Designing the staging, then operating as the staging yard dictates, will probably disappoint.

Each of the two main levels has a folded dogbone (out and back concept). That means that I could run from Staging yard A to Staging yard B or C.

Okay.  So you've got track plans - have they been built?  Can we see them (if they're already published in another space here at MRH, just point us at them).  Do you have a "schematic" of the layout, or just a trackplan?  Did you have some idea of how you were going to operate, or not?  That was a problem for me.  I built a 600 sq. ft. layout before I thought about how it should run.  Bad mistake.

The plan, WAY DOWN THE ROAD... Is to connect two major metropolitan areas. So, there will be another hidden staging, albeit not nearly as big on the top level for those trains that leave Metropolitan area A and traverses the entire layout to Metropolitan area B.  The other two staging yards could be smaller urban areas or even interchanges.

Ahh.  I'm beginning to see your plan of operation.  But, if trains run A-B, B-A, you'll be limited by the smaller of the two yards(A); to utilize the larger yard(B), you'll need to add traffic that runs from B to an on-layout destination, and returns to B. That traffic of course doesn't need to be passenger, it can be freight that is specific to that end of the layout; something like a paper mill would allow a high volume of closed cars (boxcars bringing pulp, taking paper; tank cars of chemicals; hoppers of kaolin for fine paper).  All of these don't require load changeouts, etc. so they're convenient.  

The other two staging yards - my preference would be interchanges (call them C, D).  You can run any mix of cars you want through interchanges, and they can additionally run in various patterns.  E.g. C-D, C-B, C-A, and reverse, all with or without being switched in yards or visiting on-layout industries.  Gives you a lot of "play value".

Any thoughts regarding operations?

A track plan would be needed to allow more detail.

Blair

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Kirk W kirkifer

How many double ended sidings versus stub ended sidings

A recent change to my allowable space dictated a change to the staging yard. I planned on keeping two mainlines running through the staging yard for running. As I laid the tracks, I realized I could lay more following the same 2" track spacing. How many do I lay? How many double ended sidings do I install and how many stub ended sidings do I install? 

I have space for 4 tracks on the front edge of the layout and another 3 on the back edge of the layout. 

What I would like is general merchandise storage, intermodal storage and locomotive storage/servicing. 

 

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Kirk Wakefield
Avon, Indiana
 

 

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Kirk W kirkifer

I'm using Atlas #6 switches in the staging yard level

Although I use a combination of Code 83 track products in the "visible" portions of the layout, I started using Code 100 Atlas on the staging yard. A design change has dictated that I have a larger staging area. With many double ended staging tracks

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I have gotten all of my Atlas #6 switches used. Some are in new condition and others are in a sad state of damage when I have acquired them.  That is okay. I am using PC Board ties to strengthen the switch ladder and give them a slightly different appearance. I think it works !

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I have never liked having to cut electrical isolation gaps into the PC Board ties, but with just a little Cammo Brown paint, the gaps seem to disappear. 

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Kirk Wakefield
Avon, Indiana
 

 

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