J D

I searched this forum for this video and did not find it.... so I hope its not redundant.  This is not mine.  Just something I found to be interesting.

Top notch attention to detail and craftsmanship. I could never do this.

 

 

 

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Rustman

Inspiring

About 8 years ago I attempted to hand lay some track. It wasn't a failure. But it didn't go well and I was frustrated. This video makes me want to give it another go. Well actually I already did want to on an intellectual level. But now I want to on an emotional level. 

Matt

"Well there's your problem! It's broke."

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J D

I dont think I could bring

I dont think I could bring myself to this level. I absolutely admire the detail...but the journey would drive me nuts.

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Ironrooster

Nice job, but

I'm not sure the result is significantly better than flex track.  And the extra time is a major downside for me.  My layout is too big and my time too short for this.

Paul

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Mark Pruitt Pruitt

I did some of that way back

I did some of that way back in my early college years. I really enjoyed laying track - every additional completed foot of line gives a strong sense of accomplishment. Unfortunately the time required is just too much for a large layout.

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gnagle

Me too, way back

I hand laid some track back in the 90's and really enjoyed both the process and the result. I did not cut my own ties, though, instead using pre-cut sugar pine ties. The staining process was fun and gave lots of control over the final color--enabling me to have a ready mix of browns, grays and that peculiar faded creosote look.

I should do another stretch just for fun--to see if I've still "got it."

George (Opa) Nagle

Tiger Mountain Barge & Navigation Co. (build 3)

Harrisburg, PA

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David Husman dave1905

Handlaying

I don't cut my own ties (I use Kappler ties), or use tie plates, but I handlay my track.  In the last 2-3 years I have laid 98 switches and 350 ft of track in the first phase of the railroad construction, HO, codes 5 and 70 rail.  I also ballast before I lay rail, much easier.

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dwtrains

I Scratch Build track from the sub roadbed to the rail.

All of my track is "Scratch Built" and probably more than most will ever want to tackle. I just like to scrtach build as much as possible - my twerk.

Pine boards for sub roadbed splines - great flowing curves

Homasote for roadbed

Spackle compound or drywall mud.

Gray paint.

Kappler ties

Minwax stains

Hunterline stains

Highball ballast (still have a couple dozen bags) -alternative is Scenic Express or Arizona Rock

Micro Engineering rail - code 83, 70 and 55

Micro Engineering spikes

 

I use 1-inch nominal (3/4 inch actual) pine boards to create 3/16 inch wide splines. The pine boards guarantee a consistent sub roadbed thickness. To bend then into curves without breaking, I take them outside and spray them down with a garden hose. While still wet, temporarily clamp them to the risers. When dry they have a permanent curve in them. Same idea as using a plank box in wooden ship building. The pine also takes glue better and in my opinion is easier to use then other materials. Another advantage of the pine - any odd pieces can be further cut down with a smaller bench table saw for any type of structure or other modeling.

My 10 inch table saw has a 3/32 inch kerf blade. That small reduction in kerf over the width of a board will get you an extra spline or two.

Bundles of Splines and pre-curved splines

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For the roadbed itself. I make my own 'homabed'.   You can google Homabed to get a better idea of dimensions and how it's used.   Yes when you cut Homasote it is very dusty - more dusty then you can imagine if you haven't done it before. That's why you never ever do it inside. Many have used box cutter knives or knife blades in a jigsaw - I think it just takes too much time, plus to get a consistent thickness it still needs to be split. Homasote is a pressed paper product only one side is relatively smooth the other side has dips and rises. Also the nominal 1/2 inch thickness is too thick for sub roadbed.

I use a table saw outside with a shop vac attached. I first cut the 4 x 8 ft sheet into 3 4ft x 32 inch panels. I do use a box cutter for this step. Then I cut the panels into 1 inch wide x 32 inch long strips. My shop vac is small so I have to dump it after each panel. I cut 1 inch strips so that I can do the split roadbed construction it makes it easier to later get it accurately in place and to curve. If you don't like to waste anything, the very fine dust can be mixed with plaster to create a home made Sculptamold type product.

Once I have the homasote sheet cut into strips. I split them length wise to get 1/4  inch thick mainline roadbed pieces. Set the saw blade at a height to cut just over half way through then run the strip through on the edges. Flip it over end to end and run it through the saw again. Make sure the smooth / flatter side is against the fence. You'll note that the thin strip that is cut off is not consistent in thickness over it's length. You can take these irregular thin strips and further reduce the thickness (be extra careful at this point with finger tips). They can use used for industrial spur or other trackage to give track elevation differences.

The Homasote strips are then run edge wise through a router. I have a 30 degree bit that when the strips are cut on the edges, create a 60 degree slope. I set the blade height so that the remaining flat top portion of the strip is just over one half the width of a 8 ft 6 inch tie length. I run each piece through twice to help remove fuzzies.

One 4 x 8 sheet of Homasote cut into roadbed (169 feet of single track).

homabed.jpg 

 

The homasote strips are glued down to the pine splines with yellow glue and then weighted / clamped down until set. To get the roadbed to curve you have to cut slanted kerfs into the edges.I don not pre cut x number of strips, I take a very flexible 8 ft slat that is sold at big box stores ( I use this to layout where curves and transitions will go for a nice even flow of track). I have it marked in 1 ft and fractional sections. Using the slat placed over the sub roadbed I can note the actual length of the curved section. I then pick out the required number of roadbed strips and take then to a bench vise. I lightly clamp them in the vise so I can cut into the edge with a hacksaw. Makes diagonal cuts along the length (only cut over the supported section in the vice - then reposition the strips and start cutting again). The kerf cuts don't need to be perfectly / evenly cut. You just want to remove enough material so you can flex it around the curve. I have cut up to 4 strips at a time with no problem. If a section were to break off - you just glue it down butted up to the pieced it broke off of. Use a hand sanding block with say 80 grit paper to remove the fuzzies off the strip bottoms.

After the glue is dry spread a smooth layer of spackle or similar over the roadbed. This fills in the kerfs and any slight imperfections. Then sand smooth. Have the shop vac handy as you do this step.

After the spackle is dry, paint the roadbed with a gray color paint of something that is close to the color of the ballast you'll be using. With a good covering of the yellow glue on the bottom and paint on the edges and top, the Homasote roadbed is thoroughly sealed.

This photo shows the splines with Homasote roadbed installed. Spackle fills in the gaps and it is then painted a comparable color for the ballast to be used.

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One note - I have seen the referenced video previously. I don't recommend using a palm or other electric sander. The electric sanders are too aggressive. The short length will increase the probability of creating a dip / vertical curve in the roadbed surface or later in the ties.

I have an 18 inch length of 1 x 3 pine board that I attach a section of belt sander paper too. 100 or 120 is the usual. It provides a longer more even  surface to ensure your sanding efforts are more true / flat. And don't bear down light sanding is always better.

Wood ties - I pre-stain wood ties by the bags. The initial coloring is 3 different Minwax stains. Jacobean, Dark walnut and Ebony. I lay a large sheet of cardboard on the basement floor for working and drying. Pour the stain into a convenient plastic container and dump a bunch of ties into it. How many ties per color is completely random. Let sit for a minute or two. Use a cheap set of salad tongs to remove the ties to a strainer (you want to save the excess stain). Let drip dry for  a few moments then dump out onto the cardboard. Spread out with the tongs to aid drying. (Plastic or latex gloves may be a good idea through this process). Let the ties dry for 2 - 3 days. I use gallon size zip lock bags - put all the different colors in the same back and give it a good shake as you fill it so that they come out randomly. 

Glue the ties down with yellow glue and weight then down until set. I have multiple gigs I've made for making tie strips. I model the late 20's early 30's. I use as a guide the tie spacing as set forth by the Pennsylvania RR around 1912. The drawings I reference show 4 different tie spacings depending on track usage. 20 ties per 33 ft for heavy mainline track to 14 ties per 33 ft for yard and industrial sidings. The spacing difference is very noticeable when installed especially with different code rails. Once the glue is dry LIGHTLY sand the top of the ties with the LONG sanding block. You only want to take enough material off so the the tie tops are even. This may result in some ties having all the stain removed and others will have little to none removed. This variation will further improve the overall appearance of the track for very aged ties to newly replaced ties.

Once sanded and vacuumed I use the hunter line stains to randomly touch up the tops of the ties. I use an acid type brush and I slather rather than carefully paint the stain. I use three colors here Black, Dark Brown and Tie Brown. A originally stained ebony tie may get a tie brown stain. It just adds to the complete random colored appearance of the ties.

As dave1905 stated the ballast goes down before the rails. I start with using full strength wide glue to paint the sloped edge of the roadbed then sprinkle on the ballast. Have something under the roadbed to catch the loose ballast that doesn't stick. This ballasted edge will also help to contain the ballast that is applied between the ties and prevent it from being washed away when that part is glued down. I use a soup spoon to spread ballast over the top of the ties then use a large brush to evenly spread the ballast. Once it looks good I spray a mist of water and 70% alcohol over the ballast. I then use an eyedropper to thoroughly soak the ballast with a 4 to 1 water  and matte medium mixture.

After the ballast is dry and any stray or loose pieces are ballast are removed. I hand lay my pre-painted and weathered rail.

 

Some install / progress photos of installing roadbed.

First two splines clamped to center line spacers

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Centerline spacer and first two splines glued and anchored to riser.

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Adding more splines.

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Two more splines for each track will make the sub roadbed 2 inches wide.

_splines.jpg 

The splines allow nice free flowing curves. (For those who might wonder - each metal bracket is rated at 220# of load. The standard is attacked to wall studs with #10 2-1/2 inch long screws. Once tied together it's very strong and stable.)

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Track layed, scenery next.

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tcrofton

really sweet work

as a carpenter i have been thinking about this kind of idea, having a sawmill i make my own lumber. I am experimenting making I beams and punched box beams for bridges too. This would be easy in standard scale but gets a little dicey in HO 

My question is how you landscape between the splines. i have seen people hanging paper and then covering with glue. I'd like to hear if you have a more substantial method. The alternative is to pile foam but that seems like redundant after all your pretty carpentry

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David Husman dave1905

Wood Spline

The last time I built a layout with wood spline, was in 1973 or 1974 at the Schuylkill Valley Model Railroad Club in Phoenixville, PA.  Its a venerable method.

We used screen wire stapled to the spline and covered with plaster or hardshell (newspaper strips dipped in plaster).

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dwtrains

Red Rosin Paper for the gaps

I use 'Red Rosin Paper' for my scenery shell. When thoroughly glued it forms a pretty good and light weight hard shell. The paper is inexpensive and you can get a lot of coverage out of roll.

I just glue a layer down between the main line splines to fill the gap.

Initially I put the paper down after I put down the homasote. But since have fond it easier to put the paper down before the homasote.

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tcrofton

hardshell

thanks, that method sounds good

i have experience with moulding plaster and think the metal reinforced plaster sounds great for a permanent installation.

I am trying to get away from huge amounts of foam and prefer using raw materials

 

 

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Neil Erickson NeilEr

Spline & Red Rosin Paper

Dave & DW - I also have been laying my own ties and rail on Homosote for as long as I can remember. First to save money as a teenager and now because it allows flowing curves & track with easements. My own experiments in creating “homobed” has been similar but the idea of splitting the pieces into 1/4” thicknesses is interesting and would double the length! Thank you. 

What is red rosin paper and where would I find this? 

The 2” spline seems perfect for my On30 track. My 3” track spacing takes a lot of material so the spacers look like a great idea as well.  Joe F. Has shown a method of adding a Homosote piece to the outside that allows a place to attach scenery cloth or strips so that would be something to consider. BTW, we have problems keeping the termites at bay and pine is like candy for them so I tried Masonite and Homosote splines but each have their own issues and tend to be brittle. Any thoughts? (Termite treat the pine by hand with Clear-bor?)

Neil Erickson, Hawai’i 

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David Husman dave1905

Red Rosin

Red rosin paper is a heavy paper used by painters to put down on floors and walkways and as a large mask.  It can be found at a painting supply stores and large home improvement stores.

I have used that method on a web of cardboard strips.  Carboard is cut into 1" wide strips and a basket weave of strips is used to make the land forms.  A staple gun and hot glue gun is used to affix the web.

You can dip the pare into a thinned white glue mix,  plain water or a soupy plaster.  Either way, protect the are under the scenery from drips because there will be some.  If you just use water, then when it dries, brush on a coat of thinned glue.  I have seen people mix latex paint with that coat as a base coat.  When it dries a thin coat of plaster or ground goop can be applied to finish the contours.

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tcrofton

combining all ideas

I'm planning a permanent layout to build next winter earliest so am using the time to learn all of these different ideas

My latest is to use melamine panels to build a series of bulkheads for a base instead of legs. These would be sides of cabinets and would have a built in kick space. The sheets are 48" so 48" makes a good height to start the layout. I'd include the ideas of a wire trough at the front where drawers would go in a kitchen cabinet. Typical styles and rails would make a multi faceted set of rectangles to hang doors on. The fascia would be applied in the area of typical drawers and would include some working drawers and places for control panels

As previously mentioned I have a sawmill and 80 acres of wood so I'd mill my own splines, ties, structural lumber and eventually structures from various wood species. 

I'm looking at using the Proto:87 tie plates and glue to install code 83 rail and make my own turnouts

I have downloaded a set of plans to build a ferry to hold a couple cars and intend to blow that up to ho scale and build form veneer

mb_HsB09.jpg 

 

thanks everyone for all of the ideas

I am going to start building bridges and the boat until I can dive into the layout

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laming

Hand Laid...

My upcoming layout I'm due to start this week will be the first layout (last 3 out of 4) since about mid 1974 that I will NOT hand lay 100% (90% as was the case with layout 4) of the track.

I used to enjoy it and found it relaxing. Then, on my 4th layout, I finished the top level of my tri-level using flex track. The flex portion went so quickly and pain free, that I looked back on the rest of the hand laid track and asked myself "why?".

From that point on, I find hand laying track tedious, quickly frustrating, and feel it's a poor use of my time resource. In addition, to me, comparing the visual differences of flex and hand laid: The visuals were better with flex on account of EVERY TIE had tie plates and spikes. Thus, on this next (possibly my last) layout, even though I'm retired, I want to move much faster this time, because time's a'wastin'! So, I'm going with ME code 70 flex w/Shinohara (again) code 70 switches for the entire layout.

One's mileage may vary, but the above is my story an' I'm stickin' to it.

Andre

Kansas City & Gulf: Ozark Subdivision, Autumn of 1964
 
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Neil Erickson NeilEr

Flex Track

Andre - I completely understand the need for speed as we get older. The other side of the coin might be less layout - to build and maintain. The plantation lines I model didn’t have tie plates and, frankly, I’ve never seen a tie plate on flex track that looked real (imho). If it is on an upper deck then it will be at eye level as well. 

Neil Erickson, Hawai’i 

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Neil Erickson NeilEr

Flex Track

Andre - I completely understand the need for speed as we get older. The other side of the coin might be less layout - to build and maintain. The plantation lines I model didn’t have tie plates and, frankly, I’ve never seen a tie plate on flex track that looked real (imho). If it is on an upper deck then it will be at eye level as well. 

Neil Erickson, Hawai’i 

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