duckdogger

The project started innocently enough, upgrading several Stewart F-units to I-M bodies. The Kato mechanisms are excellent but the Stewart shell cannot compare with current highly detailed offerings. I changed the original shells out to those offered by Inter-Mountain and with some weathering, you almost do not notice the I-M’s slightly incorrect nose profile.

The bodies came with the usual clear styrene “lens” which secures in the light opening in the nose but I still need a way to mount the LEDs. The Athearn Genesis F design has the separate lens and prototypical light fixture which hold the incandescent bulbs for the headlights and Gyra lights. And I have modified them to accept SMD LEDs but they do not work on the I-M. Even if they did, try finding just those pieces.

MV Products Version

This company is located in Orange, CA and has been making realistic headlight and marker lenses for decades. They have a very subtle curvature on the front side and the rear is covered with a very convincing bright coating. They are available a variety of colors and sizes and are distributed by Walthers. They look very realistic and their conversion to a working light is quite simple.

Conversion

Not being able to accurately measure the inner diameter of the I-M body openings, I purchased a broad selection of lenses with sizes I believed would be close. Some fit flush on the outside but I wanted a size which recesses into the opening just like the prototype.

One approach would be to remove some of the silver coating and glue an LED directly to the lens with Faller Super Expert or even one of the UV activated products such as Bondic. I think this would work with a 0402 or 0603 SMD LED and maybe some of the top hat style lights if you have the room inside the shell. I wanted more of a bulb look when the light was off. The LED of choice for this project is a 1.8mm in warm white.

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Drilling the clearance hole

As I did not have any double sided tape, I used wide, cheap, masking tape as my clamp by folding the ends of a 2-inch long strip 180 degrees to adhere it to your work surface. Double sided carpet tape works, too. Press the MVP lens onto the exposed sticky side of the tape.

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Using a metal T pin, (the type supplied Woodland Scenic for securing their Styrofoam road bed), make an impression in the center of the lens. A lighted magnifier makes this step easier. Drill a small pilot hole in the lens with a pin vise and a 70-ish drill bit. Then I used a .0625 drill turned by hand for enlarging  the hole. Check the LED fit for depth and appearance.

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Once satisfied with the fit, trim the legs of the LED to fit your space and secure the LED into the hole of the lens with either CA or Faller Super Expert and let it dry.

When the glue was cured, I added Bondic resin to strengthen to joint and cured with UV light.

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Prepare light leads and solder to the LED.

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Installing into shell

Even though the LED is adequately adhered to the lens, use care in installing in the light’s opening in the shell. Insert the leads from the exterior and gently guide the lens and light assembly into position for gluing. I used siliconized acrylic caulk as it can be removed with the tip of #11 blade if needed.

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The lens now more closely resembles a real light even when off.

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Patrick Stanley

Looks Really Good

I need to look into this more. Great Job !

Espee over Donner

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herronp

Another way to do this is

Another way to do this is making them out of aluminum rod.  I don't own a lathe.  Anyone can make them using a standard electric hand drill and a bench belt sander (best), a hand belt sander secured in a vice, or a bench grinder and a pair of calipers  Here is how. 

First ALWAYS wear safety goggles or wrap around safety glasses.  Measure the diameter you need for a fit in your opening with the calipers.  Chuck a 2 to 3" piece of standard aluminum rod (I use a 3/8th") with a 1.5mm hole drilled in the center in your electric drill.   Start the belt sander and the drill making sure they are traveling in opposite directions to get the smoothest cut.  Hold the spinning rod against the moving belt to remove stock.  This takes a bit of practice to get the edge straight.  Stop frequently to measure the diameter with a caliper as it removes stock quickly.

I then lock this in a vice and use a 1/8th dill to start with to give the Dremel 5/16" round burr bit a pocket to stay centered in.  A drill press is easier, but I also have used a regular drill and it works fine.  When you have all the material out you want, use fine sandpaper cut into a 1/2" circle over the burr bit to clean it up an eliminate any lines in the reflector. 

Then use soft cloth circles and Simichrome (or similar) to polish it to a mirror finish.  Cut off to desired depth do it all again for another one.

They will look like this when done.  I have used 1.8 mm LED's warm white instead of the 1.5 incandescent bulb because they are such a pain to change.   I want the 20,000 hours the LED supposedly lasts. I'll be long dead when they burn out!  A little round file work enlarges the hole to accommodate the LED. 

As you can see they make really nice looking lights.  I posted merely to suggest a way we non lathe folks can do it.

Peter

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duckdogger

Impressive

You make it appear so easy. Nice finished piece.

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Jim at BSME

Alternatives

Always nice to see alternative ways to accomplish the same thing, nice work both of you.

- Jim B.
Baltimore Society of Model Engineers, Estd. 1932
O & HO Scale model railroading
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Warflight

Amazing!

I hate the head lamp in my Bachmann "Connie"... though, it might be a bit small for this sort of work.

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herronp

@ Warfight...........

Bachmann used to sell their headlight assemblies as parts.  They were dirt cheap.  See if you can buy a couple and fool around with them.  They are plastic so drilling, reaming and any other Dremel work will be easy, BUT, keep the speed way way down to avoid excessive heat. LEDs produce no heat so either method of making a reflector shoud work fine in the plastic headlights.  I have a few extra B'mann headlights I could send you if they don't still sell them.  PM me.

Peter

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Warflight

Considering...

I'm actually considering just replacing the light with a pico LED... I used one on my break man on a Bobber caboose, and it was SO BRIGHT, I had to make a coloured goo to shade it red (was going to do that anyway)

The formula I came up with (on the fly) was using Testors Clear Parts Cement/Window Maker (which I refer to as "Window Goo") I used that to make the windows in the bobber caboose (it looks more period correct in my eyes than using clear plastic, or scitch tape, and was a LOT faster to install, even if drying time was slower, and any breaks look like HO scale damage from a rock kicked up) I used the Window Goo... about three to five drops of it (it dries clear) and added one drop of red food colouring, and one drop of yellow food colouring, and just dabbed it on with a toothpick... it worked BRILLIANTLY, and two days later, it's still working very well.

Here's a pic:




This was my first attempt at doing anything "lighting" related.

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mbursztein

Excellent work. What do you

Excellent work. What do you use for the lens ?

Moe

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Warflight

The lens...

Funny story... the lens is also my colour filter. The pico light is a very bright white. When I first attached it, with some CA glue, it looked like a night watchman, with a modern flashlight, and since I have adjusted from modeling the Old West, to modeling a private "Studio" railway, like the western towns studios used to build in the sticks, or the complete town, and railway in 1:1 scale they built for the Lone Ranger movie, and still use to this day (it's amazing, BTW... looks like someone just built a HUGE layout!) which allows me to model both the history, and the fantasy, and allows for some of my anachronistic stock on the track as well. (I just finished decorating some AT&SF old timey passenger coaches from Mantua to look like Southern coaches, if they had existed in that form back then, and you can still see a bit of the AT&SF markings, even though they have the Southern Crescent logos, and "SOUTHERN" in big letters across them)

So I almost left the car with the white light. But then, I remembered that I won't ALWAYS be using it for the Hollywood railroad, and I really needed something more red orange. I thought about it, and thought about how to do a filter... looked at a bag of gems I have here... decided I was too cheap to use actual rubies (though, I WILL use some precious gems on SOMETHING eventually) that's when a thought hit me. "Window Goo"! I made the windows for the caboose using "Testors Clear Parts Cement/Window Maker" (which I call "Window Goo") and it dries kinda hard rubber sort of hard, resists mild heat (like a bulb) and dries clear. So I took about four or five drops of the "Window Goo", and one drop of red food colour, and one drop of yellow food colour, mixed it up, and touched it with a toothpick, and it made the PERFECT lens, with no mess, and no fuss.

This Window Goo will be getting a LOT of use in the future... I already have some "stained glass" plans with it.

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Jim at BSME

Another coloring optiion

Thanks to Geoff Bunza, I have used Tamiya "clear" acrylics with success at coloring not only LEDs, but old grain of wheat bulbs as well. You can see the paints on this page:  https://www.tamiyausa.com/items/paints-amp-finishes-60/acrylic-paint-(mini)-10ml-60100 (X-24, X-25, X-27) The red doesn't seem as pink in reality as it does on my monitor, so you may want to look at the paints in the store.

- Jim B.
Baltimore Society of Model Engineers, Estd. 1932
O & HO Scale model railroading
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Warflight

NICE!

I never thought of that! I was just shooting in the dark when I made my "lens" discovery. I'll have to consider the clear acrylics option as well!

We're model railroaders, after all... just because something works, doesn't mean we won't try other things too!

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