cslewis

This blog entry has taken me the better part of four months to compile & compose, as there isn't very much information on this locomotive class available on the internet. I've only encountered bits & pieces, and a few scraps of information here & there.

Great Northern's Odd-ball locomotive the M Class 2-6-8-0                                                       

  While the Great Northern's Motive Power Department wasn't a major innovator in design, it excelled in converting older units to a newer design by using parts removed from the older locomotives. This recycling of locomotives led to the design & development of GN's Mikado class (the O-5, O-6 & O-8's which were built from GN's own roster of L Class & M Class locomotives).

  The experimental M class 2-6-8-0 is one of the earliest examples, and one of the few which was actually built by the GN was #2000. It was first built as an F-8 consolidation 2-8-0 #1254, by Baldwin Locomotive works in Dec 1907. On Jan 15, 1910 it was rolled out of the Dale St. Shops (Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota) as GN's first  #2000. Built using a boiler extension & front engine from Baldwin. The design produced a lone orphan Mallet and was by 1926 renumbered to 1999. It was once again rebuilt to a C-4 0-8-0 #870 at the Dale St. Shops. It also was not well photographed, I've only seen 3 images of the locomotive.

  The GN late in 1910 ordered 35 Baldwin constructed M-1, 2-6-8-0's.
 
The first batch of M-2's #1950-1959 were delivered on the 9 Nov. & Dec 1909. All were equipped with Walschaert valve gear, and sat on 55" drivers. With a boiler pressure of 200 psi. They were similar to the Southern L. But GN's were heavier, had smaller drivers & boilers, and all were delivered with GN's trademark Belpaire fireboxes.

http://www.gngoat.org/gn_1957.jpg at Summit, Mt. 1923.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2-6-8-0  #1951 at Skykomish, Wa. 1924.

The second batch #1960-1984 were built in June of 1910. As delivered they were all M-1 compound engines, and were simplified in 1926-1928 by the Great Northern, when they were reclassed as M-2's.
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/gn1980.jpg
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/gn1981.jpg

NOTE: #2001 & #2022 are NOT Class M locomotives, they are Class N's and are 2-8-8-0's.

  Engine #'s 1950-1971 were the conversion base which were used to build the GN 69" drivered O-7 Mikados. #3375-3396.

The M's were a slow-speed locomotive, at any speed over 25 MPH, their weight was hard on the engine and track. Above that speed they vibrated with a lot of noise, and the gauges would bounce. The roughness of the ride may have been due to  the large counterweights on the last driver axle, and lack of a trailing truck. Which meant that during a reverse move the M met every rail joint and switch point head on, which changed the angle of direction, with a positive lurch of the locomotive. The M's saw service mostly between Butte & Great Falls, Montana.

The GN & the Alabama Great Southern predecessor of the Southern Railway, were the sole users of this wheel arrangement.   The AGS only purchased one of these #300 later 6399, which was classed as a J. http://railga.com/ags.html

After about 4 years of what must have been unsatisfying operation, the engine went over to the Chicago, New Orleans & Texas for three years, and then to the Southern itself. The Southern ran it for another 18 years before scrapping it in 1935. The Southern purchased 2 #4002 & 4003 and were classed as L's. Image: http://railga.com/srmallet4002.jpg

                      Alabama Great Southern    Great Northern         Southern Railway

Class                                J                         M-2 (simple)                         L

Yr. built                        1909                           1926                               1911

Weight on Drivers     332,700 Lbs.             384,000 Lbs.               332,700 Lbs.

{Total Engine &

Tender Weight}         535,000 Lbs.             583,000 Lbs.               525,500 Lbs.

Tractive Effort             71,780 Lbs.             107,620 Lbs.                 71,780 Lbs.

 

Charlie

 

 

 

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wesgarcia

Interesting!

Hi Charlie

What an interesting locomotive. I have never seen anything like that before. Are you planning to make a model of it? 

Wes

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cslewis

2-6-8-0

Wes,

  Yes it's and interesting locomotive in the fact that so few were built (39 total).  Thus making it such an odd-ball.

I myself prefer a more balanced locomotive (something with a leading & trailing truck, ie: 2-8-8-2).

Charlie

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Larry of Z'ville

Those were interesting times

This engine like a number came about because the railroad mechanical engineers thought they knew better than the factory counterparts.  In some cases they did, in others, like this case, they may have missed the mark.  No fancy models to assess the performance factors.  They knew if it was good or bad when it ran the first time.  They tried to mitigate the expense by using parts from existing configurations.  What they didn't know usually got them in the end.  Still it is a fascinating attempt to solve a problem.

So many trains, so little time,

Larry

check out my MRH blog: https://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/42408

 or my web site at http://www.llxlocomotives.com

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Ace

Oddball 2-6-8-0

What I remember reading about those GN 2-6-8-0 locos (I forget where) is that they followed the general idea of a contemporary 2-6-6-2, but substituted another pair of drive wheels in place of the trailing wheels for additional tractive effort. The firebox was high enough to clear the low drivers. It was the era of low-speed drag freights, but that changed and those older slower locos got bumped from mainline service.

Along the lines of oddball articulated locos, Santa Fe built some 4-4-6-2 compound locos for fast passenger service. Santa Fe's early experiments with articulated locomotives were generally unsatisfactory, and the railroad avoided articulated steam power almost entirely in later years. 

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http://www.steamlocomotive.com/articulated/?page=atsf

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Bigmetalman

Images of no. 2000 (1999)

I would be interested in seeing the 3 images of locomotive  no. 2000 that you saw. I know of the R.V. Nixon photo at Swan River, Mn of the engineers side. I read about this loco in the Railway & Locomotive Historical Society (R&LHS) book No. 143 Autumn 1980 and have been curious about it since. Any photos after the renumbering in 1912 to #1999 to make room for the new N1 class 2000-2024 received that year. I would appreciate any info, links etc. to photos, or more information as to assignments to which division.

Mike

 

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vfskibo

GN #1950 on PRR E&P Branch in 1910

Sometimes strange things happen for a reason. Just before this past Christmas a link appeared on my phone's news feeds to your Blog about the GN 2-6-8-0's. Wow! How'd that happen and who would know? Strange coincidence indeed since GN's 2-6-8-0's have been a subject of my interest for the past 45+ years.

Back in the early 1970's, I acquired a photo at a local Flea Market of an engine. It did not appear like anything the local roads had used and the only markings on it were the photographers embossment on the matte "Vasbiner 325 1/2 E. State St. Sharon, PA."  After a long search, a rail fan working at a hobby shop identified the engine by the ribbing on the sides of the tender's coal bunker as being GN. With time, I confirmed it as being GN 2-6-8-0 #1950. I was also able to confirm the photo's location by the buildings in the background and the telephone pole as being on the PRR Lines West, Erie & Pittsburgh branch in front of the Sharon, PA depot.

An even stranger chance meeting in the 1970's at a my local Post Office in Wheatland, PA of an older gentleman who I never met before or since told me that the unit was tested on the E&P after construction (at Baldwin's Eddystone Plant), but before heading west. He also said the engine was too wide for the distance between track centers on the curves of the branch, so opposing traffic was halted when it was in operation. Wheatland was a crew change point for the PRR on the E&P and had a yard and shop facility. Many railroader's lived in town and I assume he was either a retired railroader or local rail fan.

In the image, the engine appears to be on the end of an eastbound (geographically southbound) taking on water at the standpipe near the Sharon, PA station.  A crowd has gathered in the snow and ice to see the big engine. I assume since it was taken in 1920 before heading to the GN for delivery.

My photo appeared in the recently publish book "Pennsylvania Railroad Lines West - Erie & Pittsburgh Branch" by Alan Buchan, page 199.

It is a strange series of events and chance meetings that has led me to knowing these interesting engines, and connecting to your blog is just the latest of them. The photo hangs in my fireplace room.

Vince

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