Geoff Bunza geoffb
Model railroaders may know of prototype dynamometer cars, used by railroads to evaluate the effectiveness of newly designed motive power, particularly in the days when railroads designed and built their own. They were especially known for their measurement of drawbar pull – the pulling force at the coupler (and hence the ability to move tonnage over the rails).
 
But dynamometer cars were more than that – they were mobile instrumentation labs on the rails, with a crew to maintain and record their findings over the course of rail operations, not just on a test track. Small scale modelers have been missing the tools to provide the equivalent evaluations on their layouts and club venues …until now.
 
This adventure is described in three parts: short notes on the prototype, and changes in requirements and design I considered for the model railroad environment. Next I’ll describe the construction of an operating, recording, HO scale dynamometer car with additional capabilities. Lastly, I will take the dynamometer car “out on the line” to run over some local layouts, to see what we can discover.
 
Would you like to know exactly how your locos behave on every scale mile of your pike? Would you like to know if your track power is uniformly delivered? Or maybe you would like to speed match your diesels by knowing at what actual speed they are operating for any given DCC speed step?
 
Unlike other articles I have written, this one is likely to me more of an exploration, rather than a conclusion, as such, this will be updated over time.
 
You can check that here: Last updated: January 12, 2019, edit 3. Schematic & Bill of Materials added;
Interested? …Let’s Roll!
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Version 1 on the Bench

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Geoff Bunza geoffb

24.0 Summary

This all started when I read about the details of prototype operating runs with Dynamometer Cars. They were used by many roads, and were manned, in part, by design engineers working for the railroad. I had recalled reading about HO scale cars, even some claiming to be “operating.” I found their operating characteristics to be unsatisfying (and un-usable). So this began the journey of that one wild brain cell that had bugged me before asking “I wonder if it could be done?” This exploration has ventured down many rat holes, finding a large number of methods of how not to build these. This project evolved to considering what measurements were appropriate to a model railroader on any size layout, irrespective of DC or DCC operation. The “instruments” necessary for the appropriate measurements didn’t exist in the right form factor. If they could exist, how would the modeler use/read them? A car with a display on one or two sides gives a fleeting view as its train moves past the observer. Even if you could read the information, the prototype showed that a run over the road, under normal operating conditions, is where the real value lay. That would entail gathering much data. So much that one would need a way to view and manipulate it, to make the whole endeavor worthwhile.

This article describes a model laden with instruments that measure: time, speed, distance, drawbar pull, and track voltage (both DC and DCC) all of which are accurate enough to give a layout run meaningful results. Drawbar pull and track voltage are displayed on both sides of a heavily modifies Athearn RPO heavyweight passenger car. Data gathered from the on board instruments are sent to a battery powered, handheld receiver, which displays drawbar pull, track voltage, and speed in the form of three graphic charts in real time. Raw instantaneous numeric readings are also presented at the bottom of the display. A button is provided to the operator which, like the prototype, will “mark” the recording to note items of particular import to the operator – like towns, towers, interchanges, crossings, track frogs, bad sections of track, and the like. All the data captured and displayed are simultaneously stored in a readable text file on a micro SD Memory Card (like those used in cameras) for later processing on your personal computer or laptop. An MS Excel spreadsheet template (provided) can then be loaded directly from the text file, to display the entire run as a multiline graphic set, which the modeler can analyze to their heart’s content. This might be particularly useful for maintenance in a large layout or club, where the run might indicate bad trackage or electrical connections.

The “proof is always in the pudding” so I will try to take this little laboratory on wheels to larger layouts (which is not what I have myself) to get some experience and report the results here. In any case, I do not know exactly where this will wind up. Appropriate reader ideas are very much encouraged along the way. I will number the major sections, when I remember, to aid in directing questions and comments. I am already considering three more “instruments” that might be useful: side to side angle measurement, track noise measurement for bad joint detection, and a track view video camera to measure track width. I may get to present some of the experimental trials (and failures) too, which may be too much for the weak hearted! J Consequently, I may delete some of this too! (Be forewarned!) As I said before, I intend this to be more of an exploration than a conclusion.

24.1  The Adventure Begins: What Do You Do with a Dynamometer Car? – The Prototype and the Model

Dynamometer cars were sometimes rebuilt cars (like passenger cars) and sometimes built from scratch. Their front coupler was connected to springs via a mechanical linkage, or to a hydraulic piston assembly, or in modern times, to heavy duty strain gauges, where force could be measured and readings saved on a graphic chart recorder. The rotation of the wheels was sometimes coupled to the recorders to synchronize speed and drawbar pull. Measuring pens would move from side to side across a rotating drum of paper to record measurements against speed or time. With no GPS system, a man would be stationed in a cupola towards the front of the car, and note the passing of mile markers by voice, or by pressing a button that would ink mark one of the recordings. Another man stationed at the recording desk would annotate mileage, location, and other significant data as they progressed, by writing directly on the charts and in a log book.

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Photo Courtesy Of the New York Central Historical Society- Used with permission

Drawbar pull measured the force exerted by the locomotive at the coupler as it traversed its route over the line. The force times the speed is a measure of power. The power exerted over time was the measure of work done by the locomotive. The effective use of this power, coupled with fuel and water consumption gave the railroad an understanding of the efficiency of operation and the value of the new loco design. But drawbar pull, speed and distance were not the only things studied. Firebox and boiler temperatures, operating settings (valve and throttle) , boiler pressure, break line pressure and other readings and were also measured and recorded. All things the railroad Engineering Department needed to evaluate a new design.

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Photos Courtesy Of the New York Central Historical Society- Used with permission

Sometimes, the same kind of run would be made when new appliances like booster engines, feedwater heaters, pumps, and the like were added to an existing locomotive. The locomotive itself would have measurement sensors and gauges added, whose wiring (via cables) would run over the tender and into the chart recorders in the dynamometer car. Dynamometer cars were sometimes used to characterize the tonnage and motive power requirements over different divisions. Some cars were used to measure track curvature. Others were used to make efficiency tests regarding fuel consumption, fuel stops, station stops, and helper requirements. There are some excellent articles in the third quarter 1975 and the fourth quarter 2003 issues of the New York Central System Historical Society ( http://nycshs.org/) magazine “Central Headlight,” concerning dynamometer car use in locomotive trials.

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Photo Courtesy Of the New York Central Historical Society- Used with permission

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NYC Advertisement -  Courtesy Of the New York Central Historical Society- Used with permission

24.1.1  Prototype versus Model

All this generated new modeling ideas, but especially the one that asked “Could a working model be built for a scale model railroad?” Ah… another challenge! Live steam railroaders have built working model dynamometer cars to evaluate their own models. You can find an example in this excellent report: “1/10 Scale Railway Dynamometer car” by Allan Wallace and John Lyas of Adelaide, Australia here -- http://tinyurl.com/j42e4dl

The September, 1937 issue of Model Railroader described a “working” dynamometer car in O Scale using a clockworks spring loaded mechanism with a limited range for measuring drawbar pull on a car mounted scale. In the September 1945 a plan was presented for a recording O scale dynamometer car using a miniature, scratch built chart recorder. No subsequent report was made that this plan was ever built.

Believe it or not there have been at least two attempts to provide a commercial “working” dynamometer car. The first one that I am aware was manufactured as a kit by the Devore Company in August, 1952. It provided a linkage from the horizontal movement of the coupler, to pull on a string wound around the axle of a circular “scale” that would show an indication of drawbar pull via the rotation of an arrow on the scale. The mechanism was spring loaded.

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Devore Dynamometer Car of 1952

The second attempt was made by Walthers in 2001. This car also used a spring mechanism tied to the coupler, which moved a pointer against an unmarked,  vertical scale placed at the side loading door. Walthers had initially announced the car would be equipped with a “digital readout on the car” and a “remote infrared data link” with a “data readout at your control panel.” The car was actually delivered with a note announcing that the digital readout and remote data link would not be offered.

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Walthers Dynamometer Car of 2001

24.2  Construction: Recording Dynamometer Car with Drawbar Pull, Track Voltage, Speed, Distance & Time

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HO Scale Operating Recording Dynamometer Car On DCC Rails

24.2.1  Measuring Drawbar Pull with a Load Cell (Force Sensor) – The First On Board Instrument

I built at least three different spring driven linkages connected to the coupler, and found all of them to do a poor job. One thing I wanted was the ability to measure a wide range of drawbar pull.  (The load cell I eventually used can easily measure more than 20 ounces and is rated for 2.2 Kg.) For a spring mechanism to work over the range I wanted, required a long, weak expansion spring that would necessitate coupler movement that would be excessive. To shorten the movement, one would need a shorter, stronger spring that would lose the resolution needed for HO scale. There are 2 other force sensors I considered: resistive sensors and load cells. Resistive sensors literally change their resistance, when a force (weight) is applied. Their biggest problem is that they exhibit a hysteresis effect—that is, they don’t return to their original state when the load is removed. The last sensor I had was a “load cell” or “strain gauge.” In the form I used, this is a metal bar that has four resistive connections which form a “wheatstone bridge.” This is a sensitive arrangement of four resistors in balance. A small strain, or torsional, non-damaging, stress of the metal bar will unbalance the bridge, and this imbalance can be measured. Fortunately there is an integrated circuit (and small module) available for a modest price that performs the interface and does the conversion for us – the HX711.

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Load Cell and HX711 Interface

The small load cell came from a Dymo digital postal scale for about $15. The HX711 module was purchased from ebay. The load cell will measure the force applied to a fraction of an ounce, and requires very little movement of the coupler shaft. The key to using the load cell in this fashion is the mechanics needed to apply as much of the force from the drawbar load to the load cell as possible, with no other flexing of the mount, flooring, trucks, or car body as possible. The load cell is held in place by a 10-32 screw, mounted to a shaped holding block, securely mounted to a 1x3/64 inch brass base extending the length of the car. In order to minimize the coupler linkage, a small brass “lip” was screwed to the bottom of the end of the load cell nearest the coupler. This allowed for a short, brass lever which the coupler shaft would pull to exert force on the lip. The lever was shaped to make contact with the lip from the top.

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The Load Cell with HX711 Interface Module                                                  Dymo Digital Postal Scale
 
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Athearn RPO Car with 1” x 3/64” Brass Base and Coupler Linkage Mounted
 
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Shaped Brass Holding Block       Load Cell Holding Block Mounted to Base Plate

Close scrutiny of the brass holding block will show that the block was sloped to allow the length (about 2 inches) of the load cell to fit within the car body, and yet present as much of an angle as possible to the drawbar lever. The drawbar lever turns on a 1/8 inch round brass rod held horizontally in place by 2 holes in the inner sides of the car frame. The car body, once mounted, will prevent any excessive side to side movement. One should also note that the front of the block has been filed down from the tapped mounting hole of the load cell forward, to expose the underside of the load cell bar, without weakening the mount. This allows for maximum torque to be applied to the bar by the drawbar lever.

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Load Cell Mounted and Wired to Control Module (Yellow Color on Brass is Kapton Insulating Tape)
 

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Here is the load cell mounted on the brass block. Unfortunately all the pics I took obscure the contact point of the coupler linkage. What needs to be done is to transfer the pulling force on the coupler as efficiently as possible down on the small brass lip on the bottom of the load cell. The load cell needs to act as a lever, solidly anchored on the brass block, and "bent" down by the tractive force of the loco at the opposite end of the load cell. Below is a slightly exaggerated link that extends into the end of a long Kadee coupler shank, and pivots about a 1/8 inch brass rod (axle) extending from side to side in the car chassis. I never glued the rod, as it is held in place by the outer car sides. As the link pivots, it presses down on the lower brass lip of the extended load cell. I think I filed a tiny notch (exaggerated in the picture below) to try to get the effective pressure on the load cell to be at a right angle to the load cell as much as possible. If you look closely I also removed material on the top of the large brass block, as close as possible to the mounting screw, to allow maximum flex of the load cell. Remember, there is a calibration process, so close is good enough.

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The arrow shows the contact area where the link hits the load cell. The circles outline the brass lip on the bottom end of the load cell. What you are trying to do is transfer as much tractive force as possible to the load cell, to effect maximum sensitivity.

24.2.2  On-Board Instrumentation – Measuring DCC and DC Track Voltage – The Second Instrument

One of the specific capabilities I wanted in the model dynamometer car was its ability to measure track voltage. Track current is specific to the individual load (loco) and not relevant, but the drop off or droop in the power distribution on a layout is often debated by modelers. The RRAmpMeter is a great product often cited in DCC discussions as a great tool – and it is. Its documentation states that it measures the DCC track voltage with an RMS (Root Mean Squared) measurement technique giving an accurate measurement, and significantly better than an AC or DC meter – also true. But the statement is not always correct. RMS measurement gives the correct peak waveform voltage for a square wave. If you are using DCC “stretching” to control a DC loco on DCC controlled track it will become inaccurate. The good news is on many if not most DCC layouts, my experience is that this is a rare event. There is another way to measure the DCC top or peak voltage, and that is with a peak voltage meter/circuit. In the general case, this is not nearly as good a method as the RMS technique, but it can be calibrated to give nearly the same results in many cases at a fraction of the complexity (and cost). But this method’s accuracy is subject to noise and signal degradation. That is, there are cases where this method will give incorrect readings (read poorer, faster than the RMS technique). Nonetheless, looking at a $19 chip to do the RMS reading, I chose to build a peak reading voltmeter for the prototype dynamometer car, and see if it is worth upgrading or not. I may reconsider this later. So far, the results have been very satisfying with the lower cost solution!

24.2.2.1   Measuring the Peak and Adjusting for Height!

The microcontroller has a 10 bit analog to digital converter on board. The Moteino is a 3.3 Volt device so the DCC voltage needs to be lowered to a safe level for conversion. A full wave rectifier converts the DCC signal to a DC noisy signal that a 5 to 1 voltage divider reduces to a safe level. A 1.0 uf non polarized capacitor not only filters the high frequency noise but will retain the peak voltage so converted, since there is very little current draw by the analog input of the processor chip. There is a voltage drop through the bridge rectifier, but the processor will “add back” the drop in converting and scaling the voltage reading. In fact, by reading the track voltage with a “true RMS” meter or RRAmpMeter at the same point on the rails as the dynamometer car voltage pickup, you can change the offset calculation to “calibrate” the car reading to be exactly the same! I have been a bit surprised at just how well it works.

24.2.3  On-Board Instrumentation – Tachometer for Speed and Distance – The Third Instrument

The tachometer was built last. My thinking was that it was the simplest to design and build. Wrong again! The Hall effect sensor I had used in my wire guided tracked crane (see MRH January 2016  http://mrhpub.com/2016-01-jan/online/files/252.html  ) was a special micro power latched sensor that was way too slow for a tachometer! That only took 3 days to figure out it would never work!  A new, faster sensor was found.

The last axle on the rear truck has no power pickups. It has four tiny rare earth magnets super glued at 90 degree increments around the inside of one wheel. As it free spins in transit, a Hall effect sensor (Allegro A1126LUA-T Omnipolar Hall Effect Switch Digikey part # 620-1423-ND) picks up the movement as each magnet switches the device on in turn. Direction of movement is not observed. The sensor is soldered to a short section of PC board (or PC tie) material screwed to the truck bolster. Thin flexible wires are soldered onto the PC material and routed through a hole in the car chassis to the microcontroller.

24.2.4  On-Board Control and Data Transmitter

On board measurement, sequencing, control and communications is what this is all about. The heart of the prototype car is a “Moteino R4” – almost exactly an Arduino Pro Mini with an RFM69HW transceiver mounted on the bottom the processor board (available here: http://lowpowerlab.com/).

 This is a newer variation of the same module I used for on board control in the battery powered locos (dead rail) MRH November 2014 http://mrhpub.com/2014-11-nov/land/#83  and in the remote controlled track powered crane in MRH January 2016  http://mrhpub.com/2016-01-jan/online/files/252.html 

This is the first time I have used nearly all available memory space on the little microcontroller. This sketch in the car controller uses 6 Arduino libraries, and making them “cooperate” was …a challenge. Data packets (telemetry) consisting of the time in milliseconds from the start of the run, a tachometer reading from the last packet sent, the drawbar pull in fractional ounces, and a 5 point average of track voltage with resolution to better than 0.1 volts are sent out about every second of operation.

The sketches for the on-board Moteino and the receiving/recording Moteino are here:  zipDynamometer_codeV3.zip

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Basis of the Instrument Control Module (Keep Alive Caps, DC-DC Converter, and Arduino/Moteino)
 
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Straightforward Point to Point Wiring
 
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Dynamometer Car Sensors and Transmitter

24.2.5  Special Track Pick-Ups

To make all this work, I depended on every wheel in both three axle trucks. The six wheels in the front truck are all used for power pick up for the on board electronics. They feed a full wave bridge rectifier with 8800uf filter and stay-alive storage with a high efficiency DC-DC switching converter/regulator providing the 5 Volt power for the car. This is the same configuration that I described here: SMA17 – Cheap Flicker Free Car Lighting for DCC, DC, and AC – a New Kind of KAOS https://forum.mrhmag.com/post/sma17-%E2%80%93-cheap-flicker-free-car-lighting-for-dcc-dc-and-ac-%E2%80%93-a-new-12200310
 
Two axles on the rear truck feed the separate full wave rectifier used to measure track voltage.
 
The last axle on the rear truck has no power pickups. It has four tiny rare earth magnets super glued at 90 degree increments around the inside of one wheel. As it free spins in transit, a hall effect sensor picks up the movement as each magnet switches the device on in turn. Direction of movement is not noted
 
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Modifications for the 6 Wheel Trucks
 
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Mods for the Rear Voltmeter & Tach Pickups            PC Tie Slotted for Hall Effect Sensor Mounting

24.2.6  The On-Board Displays

Two 0,96 inch OLED display are mounted in the baggage door windows on both sides of the car. These are fixed color 128 by 64 pixel displays. The top of the display is yellow and the lower, larger portion is blue. The instantaneous Drawbar pull measured in tenths of an ounce, and the peak track voltage at the car’s location is displayed. The car’s on board, 5 volt supply powers the displays.

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0.96 Inch OLED Displays Temporarily Mounted in the Door Windows for Alignment
 
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0.96 Inch Display with Four Wire Cable and Connector
 
 
Bill of Materials (May be incomplete, but it's what is available now):

BOM  Dynamometer car

1 - Strain Gauge from Dymo Digital Postal Scale P3
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0141N7CEI/ref=sr_1_6

1 - Hx711 Weight Weighing Load Cell Conversion Module
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B010FG9RXO/ref=pd_lpo_vtph_147_bs_lp_t_1

1 - Allegro A1126LUA-T Omnipolar Hall Effect Switch
Digikey part # 620-1423-ND

1 - Moteino - Transceiver: RFM69CW - 868/915Mhz
https://lowpowerlab.com/shop/product/99

4 - D0105 Nickel Neodymium 50     0.039" (1mm) X     0.020" (0.50mm) disc magnets
https://supermagnetman.com/products/disc-magnets?variant=11410254659

1 - DF06M-ND BRIDGE RECT 1P 600V 1.5A 8 Pin DIP
https://www.digikey.com/products/en/discrete-semiconductor-products/diodes-bridge-rectifiers/299?k=df06&k=&pkeyword=df06&sv=0&pv1291=1485&sf=1&FV=ffe0012b%2C1f140000&quantity=&ColumnSort=0&page=1&pageSize=25

1 - PSU2-5 Cool running 5 Volt Switching Voltage Regulation
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4 - 2200uf 35V capacitors

1 - 1000uf 8V capacitor

1 - Schottky diode

1 - 0.1uf capacitor (film not ceramic)


1 - 1000 Ohm 1/4 W resistor


BOM Dynamometer Receiver

1 - Moteino - Transceiver: RFM69CW - 868/915Mhz
https://lowpowerlab.com/shop/product/99

1 - 3 AA battery box with switch and leads

3 - AA batteries

1 - Arduino SD Card interface board
https://www.amazon.com/HiLetgo-Adater-Interface-Conversion-Arduino/dp/B07BJ2P6X6/ref=sr_1_1_sspa

1 - Micro SD memory card 1-32 GB

1 - Digole full color TFT display w/ serial interface

The display manufacturer is in Waterloo, ON, CA and China, and takes Paypal and cards. I have ordered from them direct. Here the 1.8 inch display I used:   https://www.digole.com/index.php?productID=1189
They also make a 2, 2.4, and 2.6 inch serial display and as I recall the serial interfaces are compatible (with larger screens).

(I think this is the right one I used)

1 - SPST NO pushbotton

1 - plastic case

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24.2.7  The “Chart Recorder”

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Well now, if one has a working dynamometer car, one must have some chart recorders! Enter the “chart recorder.”  Pictured is the chart recorder display: time is linear point by point in approximately 1 second intervals on the horizontal axis. The top chart in white is instantaneous speed. The next lower chart, in red, is a 5 point average of track voltage for the same time. Next down in blue is plotted the instantaneous drawbar pull in ounces (and yes, for all those modelers in Metric land, one could change the calculation to grams!).  When the charts fill up to the screen, they continue with a new “page” from the left.

A 4.5 Volt (3 AA 1.5 Volt) battery pack is attached on the left. The red button mimics the “man in the cupola” on the prototype dynamometer car, and allows the modeler to “mark” locations of note (towns, crossings, frogs, bad track, or whatever) – a special marker is recorded at the time and mileage point that the button is first depressed.

The lower portion of the display presents the numerical, instantaneous data. These are updated on receipt of new telemetry.

All data is recorded in a readable, MS Excel compatible test file on a Mico SD Memory Card. I’ve tried successfully using a 32GB card inserted into the top of the chart recorder case. Based on the data collected already, a 1 GB memory card will hold about 33 minutes of data from a continuous run. So a 32GB card should hold enough data for more than a 17 hour run. I don’t know if the batteries (or I) will last 17 hours. I haven’t tried 128 GB cards yet.

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The Chart Recorder – Battery Pack, Graphic Display, Telemetry Receiver, Mile Marker Push Button

24.3  Using The Data

I mentioned before that the text file could be loaded into a spreadsheet.

A comma delimited, text file (you can load a formatted, empty card) will be created on the card and named DYNALOG1.TXT

If you open Microsoft Excel with this spreadsheet (it’s a preset template):

http://www.scalemodelanimation.com/Dyna/Dyna_template3.xlsx

and on the top Menu select Data then From Text (in the External Connections section) you can load the generated DYNALOG1.TXT file (comma separated) into the default cell of the template, and it will automatically generate the charts for the first 2000 sample sets of the run. (The 2000 can be extended.)

The significant advantage of dropping the file into the spreadsheet is that you can take your mouse and hover over any point on any graph and it will identify the time (horizontal axis) and value (vertical axis). Knowing the time to can go to the distance graph and find the exact location (distance from start) at that time step. So you can locate any voltage drops, disturbances, or whatever you find along your route. The “Mile Markers” from the button presses are seen as small vertical “blips” on the bottom of the chart. I don’t have a way (yet) of annotating the mile marker blips automatically. BC&SJ’s Horace Fithers suggested that the chart recorder be equipped with a microphone for adding verbal annotations! (Not likely) I think Horace had been spending too much time in the lounge car at the time.

I have yet to get to filtering, averaging, scaling, adjusting for planetary shifts, gravitational waves, and making things look pretty. I am fully aware that conversions can be done to scale MPH, scale distance, fast time, slow time, no time, the metric system, and language translation of labels.

24.3.1  The Test Loop Run

My test loop is exactly that – a double loop of track that I have hacked up a couple of hundred times that still works, and can be taken down and put up at will. On this expansive pike the first trials were run! Much to my very great surprise the car actually performed well! (You have no idea how high my frustration level was running that day.) I started learning things that I had not paid attention to before.

First Trial Run (I Hoped It Stayed on the Track!)
 

Here is the plot from that run:  http://www.scalemodelanimation.com/Dyna/TestLoop1.xlsx

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Time versus Distance on the Test Loop
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Measurements from the Test Loop Run

24.3.2  The Bear Creek and South Jackson Railroad Run

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Having secured proper authorization from Mr. Charlie Comstock, General Manager of the Bear Creek & South Jackson Railroad, the new dynamometer car was placed behind a lash up of two BC&SJ RS-3 road diesels with an additional coach and some 21 boxcars of dubious origin. Starting out of the Mill Bend yard, we passed through Deschutes Jct, Baynes Valley, Canyon Creek, Tunnels 3 & 2, Oak Hill, and around the big turn! Three runs were made in the same direction. The return trips were not recorded. Pick up wiper problems were found and were repaired. The raw data follows. Of particular note is the BC&SJ’s track operating voltage is on the average lower than my test track. Minor drop outs did not seem to have much effect on the motive power. One of the diesels lost power temporarily, and its side effects can be seen in the drop out in speed and drawbar pull in the middle of the third run. Additional data demonstrates changes in drawbar pull as the train goes up and passes a 2.3% grade, later level, and then downhill. Drop outs occur over dead switch frogs too. Some minor electrical glitches are indicated too. Speed jitter is presented in the raw data due to the way the tach interacts with the packet transmission. The slope of the distance curve indicates relatively smooth speeds, which likely means the speed plots and/or data transmissions will need to be averaged over the raw data. (More to come) The loaded, full Excel spreadsheet can be downloaded here:

http://www.scalemodelanimation.com/Dyna/BC&SJ-1.xlsx

The raw data can be found here:

http://www.scalemodelanimation.com/Dyna/BC&SJ-1.TXT

The best part of all …IT WORKED!  YEAH!!!
 
2518,0,55,0.00,11.93,0
3417,0,55,0.00,11.95,0
4317,1,56,0.02,11.93,0
5216,1,57,0.00,11.95,0
6116,1,58,0.00,11.93,0
7015,0,58,0.00,12.00,0
7914,0,58,0.00,12.08,0
8814,0,58,0.00,11.95,0
9713,0,58,0.00,12.00,0
10613,2,60,0.03,11.88,0
11602,3,63,0.06,12.00,0
12592,1,64,0.00,11.95,0
13581,0,64,0.44,12.01,0
14570,0,64,0.63,12.01,0
15560,0,64,0.68,12.06,0
16549,0,64,0.74,11.98,0
17629,1,65,5.68,12.09,0
18618,0,65,0.86,12.03,0
19607,0,65,0.88,12.08,0
1482549,4,796,4.81,11.79,0
1483629,3,799,4.99,11.75,0
1484618,2,801,4.72,11.80,0
1485607,8,809,4.17,11.82,0
1486598,2,811,4.17,11.92,0
1487587,7,818,4.49,11.85,0
1488577,1,819,3.74,11.98,0
1489566,0,819,3.22,12.09,0

A Small Portion of the Raw Data from the Bear Creek Runs

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Excel Spread Sheet with Graphs of the 6210 Captured Data Points of Three Short Runs on the Bear Creek

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Distance Tracks for the 3 Bear Creek Runs

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Detailed Data Plotted for the 3 Bear Creek Runs

24.4  Comments and What’s Next!

There is much more to say, describe, and show. More pictures, descriptions, schematics, code (sketches), trials, data, and analysis are coming. It may not seem like it, but this is one of the most complex models I’ve ever built. This all started at the beginning of 2016, and it’s not over yet. I once thought that everything worthwhile I could think of putting into this was covered. Since that point, I made the mistake of reading another article about Southern Pacific’s dynamometer cars (and the additional measurements they made), and another about track geometry cars (now entering information overload)!

Charlie Comstock pointed out, after learning that the “chart recorder” (the telemetry receiver) could easily be interfaced directly to a PC or laptop, that one could directly measure the actual speed of a locomotive (DCC decoder equipped), and with a bit of coding and an interface to JMRI Decoder Pro, with speed measured at every speed step, one could “speed match” a decoder’s speed table to a modeler’s ”standard” speed table, in one run with a single loco! I think I’ll put that on the stack of future enhancements for now.

I hope you find this of interest. As always, appropriate comments and suggestions are always welcome!

Have fun!   [smile]

Best regards,
Geoff Bunza

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Reply 1
pierre52

WOO HOO

Congratulations Dr B.  I know how hard you have been working on this and as usual with you no problem is insurmountable.

Well done sir.

But please my brain hurts and all of this extra data could cause a permanent overload.  I might just have to crawl back in my hole with the comfort of knowing about  # 42.

Peter

The Redwood Sub

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steamhog

remarkable

A remarkably thorough replication of prototype technology.  Todays' spreadsheet technology lends itself to very useful data presentation.

The illustrations of NYC "scientists in overalls" reminds me of Ross Rowland's efforts to resurrect steam.   http://www.american-rails.com/ace-3000.html  excerpt: "On January 2, 1985 armed with an army of gadgets and technical equipment to gather data concerning the efficiency of the Greenbrier in service it left the C&O main line at Huntington, West Virginia heading east towards Hinton."

Chris

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Virginian and Lake Erie

Summary? That would qualify

Summary?

That would qualify as a two part article in some magazines and you managed to make it in one post!

Insert the Guinness guys yelling brilliant right here. Most impressive. I thought the TV sets in the store window would not be able to be topped, well I was wrong again. This one will take a few rereads to get more than just the high points out of it.

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ctxmf74

Very cool!

  Looks like it will be fun to play with.   One thing I didn't understand was why the brass angle mount was needed, it looks like there's room to lay the strain sensor down flat? Does having it measure on the slope require a correction to get a level vector measurement? ......DaveB

Reply 1
fernpoint

Astonishing

One word - "Astonishing"

Rob Clark

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Larry of Z'ville

Love to see more

Thanks Dr Bunza for putting this together.  The data asks as many questions as it answers, which is typical when you see something like this for the first time.  I wonder if this couldn't also be used as a means to indicate track condition deterioration due to what ever reason.  

Lots of questions about what the data is saying, but really not appropriate until you have been able to acquire a larger data base.   

My natural response at this point is how do I get my hands on one of these?  It certainly would help fill in a number of holes in things I have been doing recently.

So many trains, so little time,

Larry

check out my MRH blog: https://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/42408

 or my web site at http://www.llxlocomotives.com

Reply 1
Michael Watson

Wow !!!!!

Geoff I am amazed ! I have always thought this would be an excellent addition to any railroad, and you have exceeded my expectations ! I think I am going to try and fit it into a Doodlebug that I have sitting around here somewhere...the only question that comes to mind is how to adapt it to not look like a Doodlebug and more like a Dynamometer car. I admire you research, skill, time and tenacity to give us a truly exceptional project !

Michael

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Geoff Bunza geoffb

@DaveB re:Strain Sensor Mount

Hi Dave,

Quote:

One thing I didn't understand was why the brass angle mount was needed, it looks like there's room to lay the strain sensor down flat?

If the strain sensor (load cell) were mounted horizontal, the most efficient transfer of the load pressure would be vertical to the bar. If you imagine the linkage from the coupler (which is horizontal pulling forward) pivoting the link around its axle, it would be most efficient if the load cell bar were vertical, so the link could press at a 90 degree angle. But the bar will not fit in the HO car vertically. The angle mount was a "best effort" compromise. 

Quote:

Does having it measure on the slope require a correction to get a level vector measurement?

No, not really. Thr load cell measurement is in essence a differential measurement, from what ever its "starting point" is set. If it starts under some strain, one measures the difference from the starting measurement. It needs to be "calibrated" to a known weight for the correct conversion, but unless you literally deform the bar, the measurement is linear. There may be more to it than I know, but this is what I have learned in the project.

The really neat thing, Dave, is it requires very little movement to get the measurement. This makes the drawbar pull recording possible. I have more to add on the construction and calibration too.

Have fun! 

Best regards,

Geoff

 

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tomebe

Amazing modeling

I think I've seen everything - but this is just amazing. Thanks for your great work. It reminds me that great modelers can design craft and build anything. And like you said, " it worked."

truly impressive

Tom Ebert

 

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Geoff Bunza geoffb

@Larry

Hi Larry,

Quote:

 I wonder if this couldn't also be used as a means to indicate track condition deterioration due to what ever reason.  

I had the very same thought, and early data say the answer is yes. I really was not sure if this would work. When it did I wondered if anything meaningful could be learned. It already looks like the Track Power reading maay tell you more than I thought. Even on the BC&SJ, whose trackage is superbly built, you can clearly pick out crossing dead frogs, and there was one location where there was a consistent dip. As you point out though, with a brand new tool, a good designer must ask the question with a data "blip" "Is the the track or is it the tool?" This is one of the reasons why I would like to run it over different layouts.

Quote:

Lots of questions about what the data is saying, but really not appropriate until you have been able to acquire a larger data base.  

I completely agree.

Quote:

My natural response at this point is how do I get my hands on one of these?

 

It is my intention to publish all construction details, schematics, and code for anyone to build this. While it may seem impossible, the really difficult work -- the time consuming and frustrating work -- is mostly done.

There is no reason at all why this could not be done in any larger scale than HO, too. This will also work for a DC controlled layout if the DC voltage is maintained above something like 4.8-5.8 volts (I tried it but don't remember the exact figure.

Quote:

It certainly would help fill in a number of holes in things I have been doing recently.

I have already seen the start of this. You can easily see a 0.2 ounce gain in drawbar pull taking a train into a curve. You can literally see the difference in starting a train by taking out the coupler slack and one where there is no slack at start. And a slow stop with a train in tow leaves part of the train load on the draw bar after the train has come to a complete stop. Are any of these things important? I can't really say just yet. But, I do find it curious and interesting enough to keep me going to ask more questions.

Another more interesting note: having the info gathered along the route (like the prototype) gives you a much more interesting picture than conducting static measurements.

Lastly, if you haven't noticed, it is entirely possible to separate the instruments and only use one in a MOW way for your pike. This I expect to explore more myself.

Have fun! 

Best regards,

Geoff

 

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lgrfbs

Want one

Yepp, I want one!

Can I buy one of you?

maybe all (some I see in the article) blueprints, circuit diagram and mcu program code all ready is online, so I can make me own copy of this cool tool.

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Geoff Bunza geoffb

@Michael re:Alternative Designs

Hi Michael,

Thank you!

Quote:

how to adapt it to not look like a Doodlebug and more like a Dynamometer car

One early version of dynamometer car looked more like a drover caboose than a passenger car. Tou might consider that as an alternative. An old baggage car or other passenger car might work too. If you are in HO, the Walthers dynamometer car is actually quite a neat looking car right out of the box, and can still be found at swap meets and on ebay. But I wouldn't hold out much hope for its mechanism.

Have fun! 

Best regards,

Geoff bunza

 

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Geoff Bunza geoffb

@lgrfbs

Hi lgrfbs (name?),

Quote:

Can I buy one of you?

Sorry, I am not for sale ...but sometimes my wife may think otherwise! 

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Geoff Bunza

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Geoff Bunza geoffb

Many Thanks

Many Thanks for all your kind comments and great questions. These are all much appreciated.

Best regards,

Geoff

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dkramer

Great build!

Could you show some more photos of the way the load cell is linked to the coupler? Though you give a very detailed description I still do not understand tha way it is mounted.

Thank you

Daniel Kramer

Daniel Kramer

Currently wondering what my next layout should be...

 

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Geoff Bunza geoffb

@Daniel

Hi Daniel,

Quote:

Could you show some more photos of the way the load cell is linked to the coupler?

You bet! Time is at a premium for me, for a while ahead, but I will get that out as soon as I can. There's more to come. Have fun!  

Best regards,

Geoff Bunza

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lgrfbs

I do not want bay you, only

I do not want bay you, only one a dynamometer car form you.

I suspect you just made a funny answer and it is: "No I will not build and sale a wagon/car to you"

correct?

I will read all one more time and see if I can make a BOM list for my own wagon/car.

 

Reply 1
Geoff Bunza geoffb

@lgrfbs

Hi lgrfbs (name?),

My apologies to you, I thought you were trying a bit of humor. It is difficult for me to detect that in a post, or whether it is a typing error, or whether someone is composing their post where English is not their native language.

I don't build any models for sale, and I don't operate any business building models. All my work is made available, in as much detail as I can provide, free to the modeling community, as long as I stay sane. Eventually, I will add more construction detail, parts lists and sources, code, etc. as time permits. This is an unusually busy year for me, so things will take time. Also, as I tried to explain, I am expecting more changes to take place as I learn more. For example, while I have taken extra steps to insure good wheel pickup, I am looking to improve the entire arrangement. I would love to find spring loaded, plastic, 6 wheel passenger trucks, but I don't think they ever existed. Follow the adventure and I'll make more details available as I am able. Maybe you will take the ideas and come up with an even better model!

Have fun! 

Best regards,

Geoff Bunza

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Reply 1
bear creek

Too much fun...

Geoff,

You're definitely having too much fun with your hobby!

Glad I could provide a layout as a test track.

btw. the biggest grade between Mill Bend and Oakhill is 2.8% rather than 2.3%.

Charlie

Superintendent of nearly everything  ayco_hdr.jpg 

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Geoff Bunza geoffb

@Bear creek

Hi Charlie,

Thanks for the run! All my best to Horace Fithers too!

Best regards,

Geoff

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Reply 1
lgrfbs

@geoffb

Thanks for everything and you've built a really nice wagon!

"Hi lgrfbs (name?)," is an old BBS user name and it is stuck .

Reply 1
Toniwryan

Nice job Geoff!

Can a working track geometry car be far behind? Measures humps and sags, gradient, twist, degree of curvature, and kinks. Awesome if it could measure gauge on the fly, but that may be asking too much!

Toni

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Geoff Bunza geoffb

@Toni

Hi Toni,

Quote:

Can a working track geometry car be far behind?

Funny that you should bring that up. There is a gadget called a 3 axis MEMS gyro that is difficult to use, but will give you roll, pitch and yaw measurements (" sags, gradient, twist,... ") with which I have experimented. I don't know if it has the resolution needed to do the job in HO scale.

Quote:

Awesome if it could measure gauge on the fly, but that may be asking too much!

This is the measurement besides drawbar pull and track voltage that I thought modelers could really use. I have looked at a couple of approaches to this but it will require much more effort to try these. Again, really good resolution in the measurements are needed. Just consider for HO gauge what the "acceptable" distance would be for a flange way or guardrail. The measurement would need both good accuracy and resolution to be meaningful. A trend line would not be enough. This, I think, is the essence of the next set of problems. It will likely take a bit more thinking. I have a small sign above my work bench that I think is attributed to the Marines, but I think it started with the Navy SeaBees in WWII -- "The very difficult we can do today, the impossible takes a little longer." For me, this may take much longer!

Thanks for the kind words. Have fun! 

Best regards,

Geoff

 

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