dkaustin

Has anybody read the Iain's book "Compact Layout Design?"  I picked up this book at Discount Model a Trains in Dallas yesterday.  I have read the first half of the book while waiting at DFW for an incoming flight.

The first half of the book is a discussion on designing a model railroad.  It is full of good advice and gets deep into designing your layout.  It includes the pitfalls many tend to forget or just don't know about.  It includes avoiding temptation when building your layout.  He gets into the shrinking living space as homes are built smaller.

How often on the forum have we seen, "Here is my bench work, help me design a layout to fit it?"  His thoughts are that you design what you want the railroad to do, work up a list of givens and druthers, design the track work to accomplish your needs and fit the available space.  Then you design the bench work, on paper, to support your track plan .  There is a lot of discussion on available space.

How many times have we seen railroad model equipment that are just to big for the radii on the layout.  How many engines and 70 foot plus cars hanging way out over curves?  He refers to it as End Swing and Mid Point Fouling.  Mid Point Fouling is the distance the body of your longest car pushes inside on the radii of your curves.  A tight tunnel portal on a curve might be fine with your 40 & 50' cars.  Yet that 86' auto rack body snags the tunnel portal on the inside of the curve.

 He covers it all from radii, grades, to designing bench work with the track design.  He covers building static layouts, built into the structure, and the amount of expensive lumber to build it.  He covers moving layouts that weren't designed to be moved and his experiences of what happens when trying to move such a layout and what the result was.  He even spends a little time discussing the future.  What happens to the layout after something happens to you?  What will your family be stuck with.  How does your family dispose of it, let alone get it out?

Then he goes into why designing a moveable layout that will not flex, but can be move through doorways is important.

He does discuss commercial turnouts and wyes, how to modify those to fit in your space.  He goes into why you should not fall into the trap of, "I can add just one more track" to your design.  There are discussions on scaling scenery and structures in a compact design.

i do question the 8 layout designs he presents in the second half the book.  These seem to be to big to be Compact Layouts.  8'x12' to 12'x16'.   Yet, that is just my opinion.  To me a compact design is that shelf layout 18" deep and maybe 8' long or longer.  Or the young father trying to design a first layout in 4'x8'.

He does have photo examples in his book from other well known layouts and builders.  There is a lot of information to take in from the first half of the book.  I say this book needs to be included in the beginners library and used as a reference guide while trying to design a layout.  I paid $17.59 before tax for my copy.  I will recommend this book to the next beginner who asks about building a layout.

Den

 

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Ken Glover kfglover

Another Iain Rice book

...is Shelf Layouts for Model Railroads. Like the "compact" layout book, the first 40% or so goes into design, construction and pitfalls. I modified a part of one of his designs for my current layout. 

It would be another good book for first time layout builders.

Ken Glover,

HO, Digitrax, Soundtraxx PTB-100, JMRI (LocoBuffer-USB), ProtoThrottle (WiThrottle server)

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macmoo

Iains Rice's book

I have read it and have a copy if anyone wants it. If you just cover the postage from Colorado that should be fine.

The first half is good but I found the track plans too complicated for my tastes. I think that is partly because I like modern stuff whereas he is primarily focused on earlier times. 

Cheers

John

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Joe Brugger

Rice designs

I like the inventiveness and research Iain Rice brings to his layout designs, but would caution anyone who wants to build one of his plans inch by inch. Like the designs of John Armstrong, they are very optimistic about switch placements and angles, and would need to be constructed very precisely if they are to work well -- I'm not sure you could execute them using commercially-available track components without a lot of cutting and fitting. Curve radii are often very restrictive which is why he offers such valuable advice on clearances using longer rolling stock.

Rice's designs are great font of ideas and inspiration and are well-suited to people with limited space. But do a little measuring and checking before you plug in the power saw.

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HVT Dave

Sold

John,

I'll take the book.  I'll PM more info.

Thanks,

Dave

Dave

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Jackh

Compact Layouts?

Defining that is a moving target. I have noticed over the years that the definition changes, but I can't give you any reason as to why except maybe it has something to do with what shows up on the periodic surveys That MR does. If you have read MR for some time there definition of a room size model railroad also changes.

Since Ian writes for MR you have to take that into account while reading his stuff.

Personally I am a big fan of his because he quite often thinks outside the box of what does show up in MR and at least in the past RMC also.

Since I am in the process of trying to figure out what my next MR is going to be I have been doing a bit of YouTube watching and flipping through old issues of MR and RMC. I am amazed at what some people have done with what I used to consider a small layout, in the form of possible operation as well as detailing. How about a continues run HO 2ft x 8ft. No that's not a miss key and it is standard gauge. Seen some pretty amazing N scale stuff also at plus or minus 2 x 4ft.

This old times will be taking a look at the book too. Thanks

Jack

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mgazaille

A continuous run in H0 in '2

A continuous run in H0 in '2 x '8 !?!? I'd love to see that track plan!

HO - Late 50s to mid 70s - CN - Branchline

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ctxmf74

"Rice's designs are great

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"Rice's designs are great font of ideas and inspiration and are well-suited to people with limited space. But do a little measuring and checking before you plug in the power saw."

   It might be that he's thinking in British dimensions so the track parts are a bit off? He seems to add curves where real railroads had straights so maybe that's also a British thing?? .....DaveB 

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Volker

I think the appeal of Ian

I think the appeal of Ian Rice's track plans is the flowing track design. Many other track plans look sterile compared to his.

I have tried to draw one of his plans with CAD software using commercial available turnouts. Even with cutting and fitting I needed a lot more room than he pretends. His layouts are nice for ideas but can't be built 1:1 I think.

Regards, Volker (Germany)

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Ken Glover kfglover

Building a Iain Rice Plan

I built a portion of an Iain Rice plan. I had no issues with making it fit. I used hand laid turnouts built to NMRA standards using Proto87 Stores #6 templates and components. See my blog link in my signature. I suspect NMRA Standards are what Mr. Rice uses for his designs. And yes, his designs do "flow." I think it helps create the impression of more space than most of us have.

Ken Glover,

HO, Digitrax, Soundtraxx PTB-100, JMRI (LocoBuffer-USB), ProtoThrottle (WiThrottle server)

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royalhudson

On yes, they do!

Fit, that is! But they do assume either that turnouts are hand-laid or that you've done a lot of cutting and fitting.

I've watched Iain actually build one of his plans at a show in the UK a few years ago, and I can promise doubters that it worked as promised.

John

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Marty McGuirk

I've built one of Iain's largest designs

actually it was a collaboration between the two of us - see Model Railroad Planning 2000. 

My first Southern New England layout was designed mostly by Iain with some "tweaks" I added - basically it was several smaller layouts arranged within the room to best fit the space and connected together with a simple mainline and open country scenery. 

I never had any issue getting things to fit - most of the turnouts were Micro-Engineering no 6s - though some of the turnouts were handlaid. 

 

 

 

Marty McGuirk, Gainesville, VA

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Jackh

Project Layout

Ian also did a project layout for MR. I have no idea of what year it was. It was an HO proto water front shelf layout. It came out pretty good and I think the track and turnouts were hand laid.

Jack

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dkaustin

The point of the post is getting lost.

It had nothing to do with his track plan designs.  It was all about the advice he gives us for creating our own designs.  He gives you a lot to consider.

Den

 

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Jackh

@ mgazille

You mentioned that you would like to see the 2ft x 8ft continuous run HO layout. Can't copy it on to this site but if you have or can get ahold of April 2008 MR it is in there on pg 44. Actual dimensions are 28in x 94in.

Jack

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mgazaille

@Jackh Without getting into

@Jackh

Without getting into Copyrights issues, how was the continuous running was accomplished? Turntable? Running double headed?

HO - Late 50s to mid 70s - CN - Branchline

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Jackh

@mgazille

It's a continous loop. 12in radius and he uses 40' or smaller cars and small switchers. There is a steamer shown in the photos. No turntable anywhere. No passing siding either but there are 4 deadend sidings. No industries shown on plan or discused in the artical. He does mention toward the end that he picks up and reworks old diecast locos. Keep in mind that some of those older ones had a blind driver, no flange on the center driver so they could handle sharp curves. Not much more I can say about. the autor is not an operator. A builder and railfan.

I have a couple of Life Like S1"s? it's a 4 wheel diesel put out around 2000 and it will handle a 12" radius just fine and pull three 40's around said curve too. I was testing for a wharf at the time and used it for about a year. Bachman's 0-6-0T will do that also with no issues. I suspect that their 44 toners will work great also. You have to be careful with the weight of the cars though. I have most of mine up to 4 -5 oz and 3 is about the limit. Two is better and don't try a grade.

Jack

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ctxmf74

"It's a continous loop. 12in

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"It's a continous loop. 12in radius and he uses 40' or smaller cars and small switchers. There is a steamer shown in the photos. No turntable anywhere. No passing siding either but there are 4 deadend sidings. "

   That was a common scheme on NY Harlem river terminals. To get on the other end of a cut the loco just runs around the loop . The DL&W Harlem transfer was the prototype for the other loop terminals along the river..DaveB

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Rusty Rail

Iains Rice's Book

John, I definitely would like to have the book. I will pay the postage on it. You will have to help me on how to get you my information, or yours for this web site. I am just outside St. Louis, MO. I have closed my UPS account, but maybe the Post Office will still send it COD. Thanks much for the information.

Robert


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macmoo

Book

Robert, 

Sorry, but I've already sent the book to it's new home. 

Cheers

John

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