Joe Atkinson IAISfan

Yesterday I finished detailing and modifying a factory painted Atlas Trainman RS36 to represent Iowa Interstate 900.  These RS36s, and sister Atlas Trainman RS32s, are great running, affordable models, making them perfect subjects for upgrades, so I thought I'd document what I did in case it benefits others out there.  Since IAIS 900 is black, I thought it'd be easiest to show the new details now, before they're painted and the model is weathered.  Photos follow in the next post.

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Joe Atkinson IAISfan

IAIS RS36 900

First, an overall view of the conductor's side of the 900.  I think one of the more visible improvements you can make to this model is to replace the factory handrails.  There are no Smokey Valley handrail sets that are correct for these, so I bent my own.  I cut the factory stanchions away, then laid them on my workbench surface and, based on a Neil Schofield tip, used a T-pin to make a pilot hole under magnification and drilled each one out.  This process was actually easier than it sounds.  Including the time spent to bend the new handrails (using the factory end sections as a guide), it took about two hours total, but in my opinion, the improvement in appearance is well worth it.

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A view of the front pilot and short hood details.  The Bowser/Cal-Scale RS-32/RS-36 detail kit ( http://www.bowser-trains.com/history/hocalscaleatlastrainmanrs.html ) was a great help on this model, providing the grab irons, MU and air hoses, and lift rings.  The kit also includes other parts that weren't appropriate for my prototype, so I'd encourage anyone building one of these models to check it out as a starting point.  Ditch lights and cut levers on the 900 are Detail Associates parts, #1022 and #2211 respectively.  MU stands are modified P2K parts from the scrap box, with the top MU port removed and a Details West #172 step light added in its place, pointed to shine toward the coupler, per the prototype.  Pilot steps were removed, gaps were filled, and new pilot plates were fashioned from styrene, with 18” straight grab irons added to contain the MU hoses.  Finally, the drop steps were scratchbuilt.  I couldn't find an etched material that matched the Alco pattern on those drop steps, so I instead used Scale Scenics #652-3500 aluminum micro mesh with styrene reinforcements.

20_02(1).jpg These two roof views show the Bowser/Cal-Scale lift rings and other details.  The three lift rings on each side, along the outer edge of the roof, are bent from wire, since I felt the kit's parts were too large for that application.  The Atlas exhaust stack wasn't right for the 900, so I added added a styrene plate and shortened a stack from a Kaslo M420R.  It's still not correct, since the prototype stack is rounded on the ends and flares outward, but I haven't yet found a suitable replacement.  The dynamic brake vent was opened up by sawing vertically just inside of both end walls, scribing along the bottom to remove the original cast-on vent, and making a new top plate from 0.010” styrene (already painted black in the first view, with some of the paint worn off by subsequent handling).  The vents were added using the Scale Scenics mesh material mentioned previously.

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The hand brake chain and pulley mechanism was made by drilling holes in the front truck sideframes inboard of each brake cylinder and fashioning pins out of small guage wire, pinning Detail Associates #2210 chain material in place.  Pulleys for the rear cylinders were made from parts left over from a Cannon short hood kit, drilled out for the pins.  This view also gives a glimpse of the material removed from the frame to allow for the fuel tank cross section to be narrowed.

06-20_05.jpg Don't laugh:  I couldn't find anyone who offers etched steps for this model, so I drilled out each step with about a dozen holes to open them up in hopes of giving that effect.  It did the trick from typical viewing distance and only took about 40 minutes total for all four corners, but the result doesn't stand up to close scrutiny.  I also added a bell from the scrap box inside the front pilot steps on the engineer's side.

06-20_06.jpg Not my work, but I thought this was a neat detail that Atlas added:  The paint location and date on the lower rear corner of both sides of the long hood.  I believe the 900 is the only IAIS unit to get this treatment.  I had seen the stencil on the prototype unit in photos, but could never tell what it said until viewing the Atlas model under magnification.  I found it especially interesting in that my layout features the Council Bluffs enginehouse in which the prototype 900 was painted.

06-20_07.jpg This view shows more of the grab irons from the Bowser/Cal-Scale set, as well as some cab roof details.  The horn was kitbashed from scrap box parts, the firecracker EOT antenna is Detail Associates #1805, and the Sinclair radio antenna is Details West #274.

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Rear of the unit received the same treatment as the front.

06-20_09.jpg Finally, the fuel tank.  The Atlas tank is too wide and had the air cylinders cast in.  I removed them, scratchbuilt new cylinders from styrene and wire, and narrowed the fuel tank.  As shown in a previous photo, I also removed material from the fuel tank portion of the frame in order to allow the more narrow tank to fit over it.  It's still not 100% accurate, but I think it'll improve the 900's appearance and hope the discrepancies won't be noticeable.  I believe the prototype tank is a foot or so more narrow still, but this is as far as I was comfortable taking it without major milling of the frame and potential issues with frame strength and integrity of the pocket holding the motor.

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mikeconfalone

Stunning!

Joe,

Man, that's absolutely KILLER. Geez, what a difference the handrails make. Really worth the effort. 

What are you putting under the hood. FYI, the LokSound 251-12 is on the near horizon and it is going to be superb...and more importantly, correct for the RS11/RS18/RS36. The exisiting Tsunami files miss the mark. The regular 251-12 is from a C420 and quite different than an "RS." The other "supercharged" version is great, and closer to what you'd need, but so specific in regards to the turbo. Might be worth waiting for the LokSound.

Anyway, great job.

Mike Confalone

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frfolk

Awesome Job!

Looks really good, Joe.  Thanks for sharing the walk-through with us!

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BR GP30 2300

Nice

Thats some nice work you did there.

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mesimpson

Thanks for the ideas Joe

I have one of the non-dynamic brake RS32/36 for eventual conversion to a late model (last ones built) RS18 used by INCO (Nickel mine) in Thompson Manitoba.  I'll be using some of your ideas for modeling one of these.  Looking forward to seeing it in it's final form.

Marc Simpson

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Joe Atkinson IAISfan

Thank you

Thank you all for the encouraging comments.  Very much appreciated.

Mike, both this model and my earlier C420 were purchased from my friend Scott Thornton with Tsunamis already installed - a 251C in IAIS 850, and a 251 12-cylinder in the 900.  I totally understand your enthusiasm for the Loksounds, but for my priorities, the Tsunami's ability to support coasting and a working independent brake makes my mind up for me.  

With only a couple more decoders left to buy for my entire all-Tsunami roster (except for four Intermountain factory Loksound Selects that I'm considering replacing with Tsunamis), and given the difficulties (impossibility?) in getting Loksounds to MU well with other brands, I doubt I'll ever be converting to Loksound.  They sound great, but the functions mentioned above are what really bring operations alive for me.

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MikeC in Qld

Outstanding work, Joe

I've had one of those Cal Scale kits for several years, and it's all still in the packet.  I wish my D&H  RS-36 could look as good as this, but I know it never will.

I continue to be amazed at how people can even know where to begin with upgrades like yours, I really dislike the fuel tanks on my RS-36 and RS-11s but I wouldn't  have had the foggiest idea what to do about it, and now, having seen your work, I wish I had the nerve to try!

Great stuff, Joe.

Mike

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Joe Atkinson IAISfan

@MikeC in Qld

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I've had one of those Cal Scale kits for several years, and it's all still in the packet.  I wish my D&H  RS-36 could look as good as this, but I know it never will.

Mike, I've seen the detail work you've done in your scenery.  I have no doubt you have more than enough ability to do similar work on locomotives.

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I continue to be amazed at how people can even know where to begin with upgrades like yours, I really dislike the fuel tanks on my RS-36 and RS-11s but I wouldn't  have had the foggiest idea what to do about it, and now, having seen your work, I wish I had the nerve to try!

It's like that saying about how you eat an elephant:  One bite at a time.  One thing that really helps me is to view each component as its own model.  On the 900, for example, looking at each air cylinder as its own project allowed me to really focus on them and see each one through to the best of my ability, feeling a sense of accomplishment when it's done.  That inspires me to work on the next component, and the one after that, motivated by the "easy wins".

Something else that helps me is to realize that my work doesn't have to be perfect.  I just have to develop my ability to hide my mistakes.  A lot of that comes through weathering, and I know you excel at that. 

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rrfaniowa

Beat back the doubt and go for it!

MikeC:

Your comments are interesting in that Joe and I had a short discussion just yesterday about detailing. I commented that I was intimidated by an eventual steel lattice truss bridge that I need to build for my layout. I’m a perfectionist at heart and can easily grind to a halt on projects for fear that they won’t be "just right", and that bridge is a real test. 

We both agreed that detailing can be a catch-22 and that generally MOST details go unnoticed. For a working railroad it’s the overall effect that may be most important. 

So I would encourage you to forge ahead and fix your RS-36 and 11’s. And if you take Joe’s advice and break the detailing work into manageable phases you just might be surprised at the results. That’s good advice I plan to follow.

Scott Thornton

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mikeconfalone

LokSound vs. Tsunami

Joe,

Totally understand. Hopefully LokSound offers the coast capability to the public at some time. Something tells me this will be available...sooner than later. It is a huge part of the operation and a must-have in my view. You'd think Soundtraxx would make it part of their package, instead of this back-door work-around via the dynamic brake. But I doubt they even know about it, so I wouldn't expect anything from them.

Mike Confalone

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Joe Atkinson IAISfan

Coast function

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Totally understand. Hopefully LokSound offers the coast capability to the public at some time. Something tells me this will be available...sooner than later. It is a huge part of the operation and a must-have in my view.

Agreed!  I can't believe how much more "life" it brings to operations.  

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You'd think Soundtraxx would make it part of their package, instead of this back-door work-around via the dynamic brake. But I doubt they even know about it, so I wouldn't expect anything from them.

I emailed them about it several months ago, so they're aware...if they read it.  I hope others will write to them as well.  I doubt they'd bother to change anything unless they hear that it's important to a sizable portion of their users.

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engineer

Coasting

I put a feature request concerning coasting on the ESU website forum - but with no answer till today.

It's annoying to have a constant notch level when coasting. My BLI locos are doing a coasting sound by themselves, that sounds good.

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MikeC in Qld

@Joe and Scott

Thanks for the vote of confidence, but I really can't see it happening, not with my eyes and limited patience but you never know, I guess.

Mike

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CP Rail Vermont

Joe, The handrails look

Joe,

The handrails look fantastic.  Can't wait to see the finished loco coupled to C420 #850.

-Neil

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Joe Atkinson IAISfan

Thanks Neil!

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The handrails look fantastic.  Can't wait to see the finished loco coupled to C420 #850.

Thank you sir!  I apologize for failing to give you credit for your assistance.  I updated my first reply just now to correct that.

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Joe Atkinson IAISfan

Finished

After some final touch-up painting and weathering, IAIS RS36 900 entered service today. Below are some proto and model pics.

March 13, 1999 John Schumann photo of the 900 at Council Bluffs, from Railroad Picture Archives at http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2767520 .

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Model views.  I think the new handrails were a good investment in time, and they weren't difficult to do at all.

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The grab irons, most of the lift rings, and the air and MU hoses were all from the Bowser/Cal-Scale RS-32/RS-36 detail set.

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Dynamic brake vent made from styrene and Scale Scenics aluminum mesh.06-27_03.JPG 

Meeting sister Alco 850 at Atlantic:06-27_04.JPG Rear of 900, March 13, 1999 John Schumann photo from  http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2767521 : 

Model view from a similar angle.  After being used to modeling EMDs, the prototype's grab iron arrangement seems like overkill, but I think it adds a lot of interest to this unit. 

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July 26, 1999 John Schumann photo from  http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2190980 :

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John Winter

Very nice...

Joe, great job.      John

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Michael Petersen petersenm

Nice Job!

Great job (as always) capturing the look of this unique unit.
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Joe Atkinson IAISfan

Thank you

Thank you gentlemen.  Looking over the photos this morning, I realized that my application of Dullcote washed out a lot of the Pan Pastel weathering, so I touched it up a bit this morning and shot a few more pics.  After shooting these, I finally saw and fixed the broken handrail chains fore and aft, and removed a couple strands of cotton leftover from my Q-tips.  I could shoot these again, but life beckons. 

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rrfaniowa

Well done…

…Joe.

Does the beacon still work?

Scott Thornton

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Joe Atkinson IAISfan

Beacon

Thanks Scott! The beacon does still work. I broke your original bulb while trying to rework the beacon detail, but  I had a replacement on hand. 

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pierre52

Source for Beacon

Hi Joe

I have been admiring your work.  Can you tell me the source for the Beacon as I have several locos that I would like to fit out.

 

Peter

The Redwood Sub

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Joe Atkinson IAISfan

Beacon

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I have been admiring your work.  Can you tell me the source for the Beacon as I have several locos that I would like to fit out.

Thank you Peter.  Are you referring to the external detail or the electronics to allow it to function?  For the former, I'd have to defer to Scott Thornton, as he added those details on both the Alcos I purchased from him.  

Regarding the electronics, if you run DCC, it's relatively simple.  Scott just had a bulb wired into the F5/F6 ports on the Tsunami, then programmed it to flash.  I'm completely out of my element when it comes to electronics, but what Scott did appeared to be simple enough that I'm planning to retrofit all the older IAIS power with working flashers as appropriate.

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hobbes1310

Thats a loco that only a

Thats a loco that only a mother could love .  Excellent detailing job on it, adding all the added  extra's that make it a fine detailed piece of  art.  

Regards Phil

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