Joe Atkinson IAISfan

In a recent Weekly Photo Fun thread, a couple people asked about the snow fencing in my Bluffs enginehouse scene.  I wrote that that fencing was made by a friend from the Yahoo Proto-Layouts list, Randy O'Brien, by applying a solvent to plastic window screen material, hammering it flat, and then painting it orange.  Mike (user  nursemedic97) asked:

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Think you could get him to do a write up for us? It looks perfect for us modern-day modelers!

Randy was kind enough to document his process, but I thought I'd post it in a new thread so it didn't get lost in WPF.

First of all, here's a prototype view of the scene I'm modeling, with the snow fence in question shown in the foreground, leftover from some work being done at the time to stabilize the adjacent hillside:

Here's Randy's write-up:

"Your memory is correct!   I gave the fiberglass window screen couple of coats of orange spray paint. The next day I stretched the screen out on a hard flat surface (table saw). I wiped one side of the screen with acetone, then immediately proceeded to flatten it by striking a 3/8” wide hardwood block with  “dead blow” hammer. Repeat until you almost have the size you feel is correct. Another coat of paint will close the hole size slightly. I found used fiberglass window screen was much easier to use than new material. Hope this explanation is clear."

A couple photos Randy provided of the work in progress.  More photos can be seen at Randy's Flickr page,  https://www.flickr.com/photos/rsob/sets/72157631488290604/with/7966009584/ .

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Finally, here's Randy's snow fence installed on my layout.  Obviously, I lack the depth to really do that hillside justice, but my hope was that the fence would help to identify the scene for those who are familiar with it.

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I think it's important to note here that Randy took it upon himself to make this fencing for me after seeing on the Proto-Layouts list that I wasn't sure how to model it.  He then mailed it to me, from Canada, and would never take a dime for his work, the materials, or even the shipping.  I'm very grateful for his kindness.

Thanks again Randy!

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Bill Brillinger

don't forget the T posts....

We make T posts that go perfectly with this!  
Especially if you want to make a roll of snow fence waiting be installed with a pile of posts beside it.

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http://www.pdc.ca/rr/catalog/1404/

 

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AnEntropyBubble

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That's very cool Joe and Randy.

Andrew

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JC Shall

Construction Barriers

Down here in the deep south we don't often get snow, but we still see this material quite often.  It is frequently used for temporary construction barriers, particularly surrounding excavations.  It is also sometimes used for crowd control at large open events.

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barr_ceo

It's also used for erosion

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mesimpson

Great technique

There is a lot of this fencing around the area of my layout in northern Manitoba, both as snow fencing and barriers for construction work.  Great tip, I'll be putting it to use on my layout.

Marc Simpson

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kcsphil1

I'm going to experiment

and see if I can do this in N scale.  my kids have some toule from an arts and crafts kit - and its already pink.  I wonder if I can get this to work.  I suspect the acetone would dissolve the toule - which is plastic AFAIK - but I'm wondering if 91% isopropyl might have the same softening effect.

 

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Joe Atkinson IAISfan

N scale fencing

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I'm going to experiment and see if I can do this in N scale.  my kids have some toule from an arts and crafts kit - and its already pink.  I wonder if I can get this to work.  I suspect the acetone would dissolve the toule - which is plastic AFAIK - but I'm wondering if 91% isopropyl might have the same softening effect.

Phil, I started out using orange toule I found at the local Hobby Lobby.  Here it is in an earlier iteration of that scene:

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barr_ceo

The orange tulle would work,

The orange tulle would work, but you need to rotate it 45 degrees (which is going to limit the length, unless you got some really WIDE tulle!

The holes in chain link fence are diamonds: <> <> <>

The holes in the snow fence are rectangles: [_][_][_].

Size will make less of a difference than orientation in this case.

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Bill Brillinger

The holes are not square either...

Hmmm... Time to play with my laser for this one... Stay tuned.

Bill Brillinger

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barr_ceo

Hmmm... in a light, sheer

Hmmm... in a light, sheer nylon fabric perhaps? I wonder if you can laser cut that without making it rigid from melting too much. You'd have to vaporize rather then just melt the material in the holes - but the laser should seal the holes and prevent them from unraveling, I'd think.

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Bill Brillinger

I was thinking...

I have some .003" acetate that would probably work well for this.

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laurawhite

Most of snow fences have been

Most of snow fences have been used in areas that accumulate snow. Snow fences are used to control drifting snow. The fences vary in design from a simple picket fence held together with twisted wire to taller panels like those depicted in this kit.

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Chuck P

Snow and Sand

First time a friend visited from the coast, he said "Wow, you have sand fences all over". I said "Those are snow fences"

 

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Bill Brillinger

How's this?

Here is my prototype of HO Snow Fence. It's a scale 4ft tall and you can see about 18ft in the photo.

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It's made from .010" Orange Card. The final thickness is .008" to .009"

The other side of it is light brown, so if that were going to be visible, it would need to be painted.

Do you think there is a market for this?

Bill Brillinger

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Ken Glover kfglover

@ Bill

That looks really good! I would think it would make a good product for you. Modern era modelers should be interested. Not sure how it will "sag" and bunch like the real stuff does. It looks stiff. maybe some water soaking should help form it.

Ken Glover,

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Bill Brillinger

Sag

It seems to form relatively well.

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Crunched up and saging.

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Rolled. I was able to roll it tighter than this, but it had expended before I took the photo. I bit of glue would have solved that.

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And here it is after I have abused it a bit. Looking old and tattered like a used fence.

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Ken Glover kfglover

Nice!

You should have a winner there Bill!

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Joe Atkinson IAISfan

Nice!

I like it Bill!

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ctxmf74

"Do you think there is a

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"Do you think there is a market for this?"

I'd rather buy it than pound acetone soaked screen :> )    Looks quite nice to me, the prototype in the photo looks like it has square holes while your sample looks like they are a bit rectangular. Does the stuff come in various patterns? ......DaveB 

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Bill Brillinger

Patterns

There are a few patterns and a few "weights"

This is the most common I have seen in use for construction and commercial use.
The lighter weights usually just shred by the end of the winter.

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(photo from my garage)

Bill Brillinger

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kcsphil1

Keep it up Bill!

Because if you do I'll have to switch to HO to buy all your stuff!

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trainmaster247

That is cool

That is really cool I like the look of it. Is it possible to get in contact with him I am interested in some.

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doc-in-ct

Snow Fence Market?

Bill
Depending on the price I would think yes there is a market (nice looking, and feels right for scale).

I would think that rotated 45 degrees and in a faded silver or light gray, it would make for chain link fencing.

Alan

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Bill Brillinger

Chain link...

It's way too heavy for chain link. Is there something wrong with the current chainlink fence offerings from other vendors?

@ Joe - Apologies for hijacking your thread!

Bill Brillinger

Modeling the BNML in HO Scale, Admin for the RailPro User Group, and owner of Precision Design Co.

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