Joe Atkinson IAISfan

Growing up in the 1970s, I've long had a fondness for cabooses, especially the MP short bay window design.  In fact, the lack of cabooses on my portion of the IAIS has been the only major regret I've had about my choice of prototypes.  It's been so bad that I've often thought about backdating the layout to RI times, or even starting over with a different 1970s prototype, in order to allow caboose ops.  Every time I'd see one of Rob Spangler's, Tom Patterson's, or Bob Rivard's updates showing cabooses in operation on their layouts, I'd get thrown right back into the mental fray.  I didn't want to scrap everything I've worked for over this one detail, but I didn't want to continue to ignore my beloved cabooses either.

The UP threw me a bone on October 2, 2006, and again on January 15, 2007, when they mistakenly sent the same shoving platform, MP 13021, to the IAIS as part of their interchange cut.  It's shown below on IAIS's rip track as it laid over for a couple days while the IAIS tried to figure out what to do with it following its 2006 arrival.  

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Considering how ugly its graffiti is, maybe the UP kept sending it to the IAIS on purpose!   In spite of its appearance, though, the seed was planted, and I began thinking about what IAIS's West End cabooses would look like.  This Robert Garton photo from Railroad Picture Archive of a similar ex-MP caboose on nearby Nebraska Central further stoked the fire for me, as it's very much like the look I had in mind for an IAIS-repainted caboose.

I avoided the temptation to add proto-freelance cabooses to the IAIS roster for a number of years, but the Rail Yard Models kit of the MP caboose eventually pushed me over the edge.  I later sold the unbuilt RYM kit and purchased one of the new Bluford Shops RTR models, but even then, I still hesitated to do anything with it.  I was foolishly putting my concerns for what others might think of such decisions ahead of my own enjoyment of the hobby, which was just plain wrong.  This hobby - ANY hobby - is about the enjoyment of the participant, and while I've enjoyed HUGE fun from faithfully following my prototype, this was one area where I felt that the right answer was for me to do something strictly to scratch a sentimental itch.

Below are a couple pics of the first Bluford caboose on the layout.  It's not officially in service yet, as it still needs IAIS patches and weathering, but it's a fun glimpse of what's to come.  I have two more Bluford models on the way, and at least one of them is expected to get a full IAIS repaint.  All will eventually become IAIS 9440-9442, for use by the Bluffs yard job for shoves to the UP, as well as in local and grain extra service.  Three may very well be overkill, so I may eventually sell one, but as fast as the first run of the Bluford models sold out, I thought I'd better err on the side of caution.

The first arrival, tied down on the Bluffs RIP track in the same spot as the first prototype pic above.

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It should be noted that the IAIS has an operational caboose, 9431, an ex-ATSF example that's spent nearly its whole IAIS life in Chicago-area transfer service.  I considered modeling it instead, or perhaps building a few more ex-ATSF cabooses, but I felt that, for IAIS fans, the 9431 is too much of an icon of the Chicago and Rock Island areas to be believable on the West End.  Also, with the influence of the UP in Council Bluffs, I felt that the IAIS purchase of ex-UP/MP cars made more sense here.  And then there's that little detail that I just like the modern MP cabooses better. 

Finally, it should be noted that, like IAIS 9431, these ex-MP cars will be actual cabooses, not shoving platforms.  Though their role is largely the same, they'll have no welded doors, plated cupola/bay windows, etc.  Also, since I'm adding these strictly for my own enjoyment, I'll gladly remove them from the layout when guest operators visit if they'd prefer to keep things 100% prototypical.  I'll likely do so for some solo ops as well.

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rrfaniowa

Nice caboose!

Thanks for the pictures, Joe. The Bluford model looks right at home on your layout. 

The 9431 will play a big role on my layout – penny whistle and all. 

Scott Thornton

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Joe Atkinson IAISfan

Thanks Scott

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The Bluford model looks right at home on your layout. 

Thanks Scott!  I kinda thought so too! 

I'm really looking forward to seeing the 9431 on your layout.  I have no doubt you'll do it justice.  It's not often we get to hear a caboose with a sound decoder. 

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gonzo

Allthough I never thought I'd

Allthough I never thought I'd say this to another guy, I'm with Scott... Nice caboose!

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BOK

The Bluford MP caboose has to

The Bluford MP caboose has to be one of the nicest cabooses in either HO or N.

When i started up the Wisconsin Northern there were plans to add one of these to the new line but it never happened and I moved on. It would have looked good behind the 1500 and 1501, both former SLSF units. 

Barry

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Joe Atkinson IAISfan

Bluford model

I couldn't agree more about the Bluford Shops model.  It's really a beautiful offering, and I can't wait to get them patched and weathered.

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Prof_Klyzlr

MP Caboose thread

Dear Joe,

Hmmm, I wonder if a "MP caboose group build" thread would get any traction?

Happy Modelling,
Aim to Improve,
Prof Klyzlr

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monttrak

shoving platforms

I recall CNW had a caboose at Eldora long after their demise for shoving up to Steamboat Rock because of the lack of a run around at the end of the form M&StL main.  the shove to the Hancock Elevator reminds me of that kind of operation. --- but Eldora to Steamboat was several miles over several at grade crossings as well.

 

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Graeme Nitz OKGraeme

MP Caboose in Tulsa

The UP uses on an irregular basis an ex MP "Box on a Raft" caboose as a shoving platform in Tulsa to get from their Yard at 51st St to the BNSF Cherokee Yard and then down the braanch to their secondary yard where they interchange with the Tulsa Supulpa Union Railway. They have a garden chair sitting on the platform which the brakeman relaxes in when being pulled. It is a site often speculated on by the locals when he is spotted by someone on the Broken Arrrow Expressway where the UP is in the median strip.

There is a second MP caboose in Claremore on the farm belonging to Jim Senese of Kansas City Terminal layout fame.

 

Graeme Nitz

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IrishRover

Cabooses today

The cabooses can still be seen on the railroads in other uses, too.  Schnabble (sp?) cars sometimes have an old caboose with them as accommodations for the crew, and many tourist trains have a caboose at the end; kids LOVE 'em.  (I last rode in a caboose a couple of years ago up in Portland, Maine, and had an overly close view of a near collision with an idiot in a sports car.)

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ray schofield

cabooses

Joe

  Boy I usually wish I had more discipline when it comes to the hobby as you and others do, I could never give up cabooses. Good looking model. 

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BOK

Actually, these were not

Actually, these were not built by the MP as transfer cabooses but as the last version of a minimal road caboose.

I know we have a few of these stashed around some of our railroads here at Watco used occasionally for special and shove moves.

BTW, Joe very nice scenes as usual and please gentle with the IAIS weathering on these little beauties.

Barry

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Joe Atkinson IAISfan

Build thread?

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Hmmm, I wonder if a "MP caboose group build" thread would get any traction?

For the Railyard Models kit?  Maybe!  Have you started yours yet Prof?  You should give the build thread idea a try.  The Bluford Shops model doesn't require any building, but I'd still follow along, if for nothing but learning more about the prototype - and weathering tips at the end.

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the shove to the Hancock Elevator reminds me of that kind of operation. --- but Eldora to Steamboat was several miles over several at grade crossings as well.

Since Hancock is a west-facing switch, the Rover would sometimes pull any eastbound loads up the hill, then shove them three miles east to Hillis siding, with several crossings along the way.  Unfortunately, due to a lack of space, I was only able to leave about 2' between the Hancock switch and the west end of Hillis, with no grade crossings.  However, the shove west from Atlantic yard to spot empties to Harlan elevator has a couple grade crossings, so that helps my cause.  

The other justification for a caboose is that, for jobs with a lot of switching, the IAIS will sometimes assign a "utility man" to help the conductor on the ground, so it gives him a place to ride on the rear, saving the crew a lot of steps and the trainmaster a lot of miles and hours taxiing the U-man around as they work.

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Boy I usually wish I had more discipline when it comes to the hobby as you and others do,

Ray, I would think this thread puts to rest any rumors of me having discipline. 

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I know we have a few of these stashed around some of our railroads here at Watco used occasionally for special and shove moves.

Your mention of special moves gives me another idea Barry.  Since I model a time before IAIS had business cars, it would seem as though a caboose could serve in that capacity in giving customers and other guests a view of the railroad.

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BTW, Joe very nice scenes as usual and please gentle with the IAIS weathering on these little beauties.

Thank you Barry!  The full IAIS repaint will be almost fresh out of the shop, but I expect that even the patched example(s) would be in pretty good shape.  Aside from the graffiti, MP 13021 hides its age well in the prototype photo above:  A little fading, a bit of a rusty patina on the roof, some rust around the smoke jack, and some grime on the underframe, trucks, and steps, but nothing too "in your face".

I'm thinking that these were acquired by the IAIS several years before my era, and on the car(s) that hadn't yet been repainted, the patching was beginning to wear off a bit by 2005, once again giving faint glimpses of the "screaming eagle".

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BOK

Joe, as I recall those little

Joe, as I recall those little cabs didn't have a lot of room maybe 15-20 (?) feet long but sure would be adequate for a group of 4-6 people for a short time. The "business car" idea was the primary reason for wanting one on the Wisconsin Northern plus the annual Santa Claus runs.This was something I introduced on the former MN&S line I ran for Progressive Rail.

Barry

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Chuck P

I sense mission creep!

Modern IAIS power, heritage units, and now a caboose. Just kidding. Looking forward to seeing in IAIS dress. I'm a caboose fan too and luckily my 1987 allows them.

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mgsrailway

Your picture looked familiar

Your picture looked familiar so that sent me to searching my archives since I remember taking some shots of a MOPAC transfer caboose on CSX in Parkersburg, WV around 1986.  Here's what 13021 looked like without the re-paint job.-R1-E067.jpg 

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Joe Atkinson IAISfan

Mission creep

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Modern IAIS power, heritage units, and now a caboose.

I know!  I've gotta be careful!   But the RI heritage unit was a gift, so it's exempt under the rules of mission creep , and I've already sold the other IAIS GE to a friend.  I may be fickle, but I usually don't veer off course for very long.  I have, however, imposed a rule upon myself that if I buy anything twice as a result of these weaker moments (e.g. the F-unit project I planned to build, then sold, then bought again), I have to keep it the second time, or else I just keep selling, re-buying, and selling indefinitely.  This is the second time I've bought a caboose with the intent of modeling an IAIS purchase, so now it's got to stay.

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Your picture looked familiar so that sent me to searching my archives since I remember taking some shots of a MOPAC transfer caboose on CSX in Parkersburg, WV around 1986.  Here's what 13021 looked like without the re-paint job.

Thank you!  I like your version much better.  Your photo prompted me to go check out rrpicturearchives.net, where I found some other pics of that caboose, untagged, from June 2006.  Unfortunately, I still can't pin down when it was tagged, since those pics are both of the untagged side.  Given that caboose's apparent attraction to the IAIS, though, it seems like a likely candidate for one of the IAIS cabooses.

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Joe Brugger

Given that

Given that you're fictionalizing, a discreet patch-out of the MoP herald with trim film and some weathering may be all that is needed.  The MoP flats are definitely attractive; one Bluford  car (first run, underweight) and a RYM car have worked their way into my '70s UP collection.

Does the new SoundCar decoder allow a peanut whistle? Haven't played with that.

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fecbill

Just give in

Joe

Just give in and switch to the Rock Island, before The Rock and blue that is 

Bill Michael

 

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Prof_Klyzlr

Peanut Whistle

Dear Joe B,

Hancock Air Whistle, CV115 = 2

Happy Modelling,
Aim to Improve,
Prof Klyzlr

​PS any chance of some pics of your RYM build?

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CP Rail fan

Caboose quandary

Greetings, 

I enjoyed your post. 

I also wanted to model a caboose on my modern-day CP layout set in west Toronto but other than the odd MOV caboose, they aren't in service here. 

Model Railroader did a story a few months ago about converting cabooses into shoving platforms using a BNSF example. After searching around for a modern-day CP shoving platform, I found a photo of one on Flickr in use in Albany, NY.  That's a fair distance from the West Toronto area that I model, but I'm thinking of modelling this one just the same. 

I have an old red Santa Fe caboose that I plan to convert into this one, complete with filled in windows and reflective tape:

 

Here's another shot of the same "van" (as Canadian railroaders call cabooses) after the graffiti artists got to it. I was thinking of making decals of the graffiti using this photo. 

I've still got too much to do on my layout to start this project yet, but it's one I'm looking forward to. And I'm not much bothered that I've never seen a shoving platform in use in the area I model. 

Looking forward to your next post. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Prof_Klyzlr

Frame height?

Dear Joe A,

Never actually noticed before, but is it just me or does the BM caboose look like it's riding high Truck<> Frame, compared to the prototype pics?

Happy Modelling,
Aim to Improve,
Prof Klyzlr

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Joe Atkinson IAISfan

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Given that you're fictionalizing, a discreet patch-out of the MoP herald with trim film and some weathering may be all that is needed.  The MoP flats are definitely attractive; one Bluford  car (first run, underweight) and a RYM car have worked their way into my '70s UP collection.

That's my plan for some of the patching Joe.  For the screaming eagle herald and car number, though, I plan to sponge paint the red to represent patches that haven't held up as well.  I thought it'd be interesting to see some of MP 13021's heritage showing through.

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Just give in and switch to the Rock Island, before The Rock and blue that is

Ha!  Thanks Bill.  If I could get more excited about the RI, I think that'd be a much easier decision for me, but I've just never been a huge fan.  I'm not a big fan of GEs - which RI had a ton of - but I do really like SD40-2s - of which they had only 10.

CP Rail fan, it sounds like you and I are on similar paths.  I hope you'll keep us posted on your progress.

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Never actually noticed before, but is it just me or does the BM caboose look like it's riding high Truck<> Frame, compared to the prototype pics?

It's funny you mentioned that, because I thought the same thing when I looked at the shot by the enginehouse.  However, the side view at Atlantic looks fine to me, and the position of the truck sideframes relative to the steps looks the same to me as it does in prototype photos.

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kleaverjr

There is one other possible "solution" to mission creep

Build a small module (maybe a Fremo design) and model a scene that would use the few pieces of equipment that do not fit the time period for the layout. 

Again, just trying to be helpful satisfy your modeling interests within the budget that you have.

FWIW.

Ken L.

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Joe Atkinson IAISfan

Mission creep

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Build a small module (maybe a Fremo design) and model a scene that would use the few pieces of equipment that do not fit the time period for the layout. 

Again, just trying to be helpful satisfy your modeling interests within the budget that you have.

I appreciate that Ken.  In spite of appearances, though, I'm actually really content with the variety of equipment I can model, i.e. what actually ran on my portion of the IAIS in my era.  Besides the IAIS roster, that includes a lot of UP locomotives due to trackage rights and detours, giving me lots of fun subjects from 1950s Geeps to the newest UP GEs.  Cabooses are the only real gap.

With that said, I'm already scaling back my plans a bit.  As with previous temptations toward mission creep, I've found that for prototypes that repeatedly come to mind as something I'd like to model, if I allow myself to indulge a bit, that's usually all it takes to get me back on track.  In 14-1/2 years of modeling this prototype, the only other time this has come into play was with my desire to model F-units, in which case I found an old ex-MILW F7A that spent some time on the IAIS, modeled it, and tucked it away in the Bluffs enginehouse.  Voila!  No more F-unit temptations.  I've never even run the thing!

I'm guessing that cabooses will be largely the same.  Model a pair - one repaint and one patched - and I'm guessing they'll spend the majority of their life out of sight.  In fact, given how little I'm straying from the MP scheme, I'm now planning to only rework one side of each car, so that when they're not in use on the IAIS, I can turn them around and store them in the UP's Pool Yard as MP shoving platforms, minus the window plating on the ends.

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