JerryRGS

I need to set up a display of straight track about 16' long. The trains need to run back and forth automatically.

For several hours a day. Does anyone have any recommendations of what to buy to set this up?

 

Jerry

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rickwade

Tam Valley

They have a unit to do this and they are an advertiser on MRH that we can support.

Rick

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Dave K skiloff

DC or DCC?

Tam Valley has their "Prof Silencer" shuttle that you can vary how long it sits before returning.  There are also DC options for doing this.

Dave
Playing around in HO and N scale since 1976

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JerryRGS

TAM Valley does not work for DC

Checked with TAM Valley. But there system only works with DCC.

Anyone know of a system for DC for back and forth running?.

 

Jerry

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jcoop

Bachmann's Street Trolley

I have used the electronics that come with it for different applications.  It will run any train, you have to hack the track a little to make a run that long, but it's straight forward.

 

Send me an email and I can explain more in depth

 

John

 

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Prof_Klyzlr

the power of Search

Dear Jerry,

Suggest levering the power of the MRH Search function, with searrch term "shuttle",
will get you a listing of most common commercially-available solutions,
and a few home-bruise ones, as well as discussions on deploying all options...

Key terms:
- Circuitron AR-1
- Gaugemaster SS-1
- Antons Hobbies

Happy Modelling,
Aim to Improve,
Prof Klyzlr

PS if you are not afraid of a soldering iron, Google "misc electronics model railroads automatic shuttle simple". DIY solution in minimal components... (OzTrainz with the link below ).

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Oztrainz

2 Diodes and some rail cuts, a relay and an a timer

Hi Jerry

Professor Klyzlr has beat me to it - 

Some conditions -

  • your train needs to be the same length at all times
  • your locomotive needs to be on the same end all the time.

How it works

  • The timer is set so that the train will reach the isolated ends of the run
  • the train will wait at either end until the timer ticks over 
  • The polarity changes when the timer ticks over and the diode allows power into the isolated end section
  • the train heads out of the isolated track section and proceeds towards the other end

Have a look at  http://home.cogeco.ca/~rpaisley4/AutoRevCheap.html 

The isolating cuts at each end of the run are set up such that the train cannot reach each end of the layout. 

On my layout I have 1 timer circuit driving 2 separate out and back tracks. It has done 1000's of cycles and the electrics have not missed a beat. I hope that this helps. 

Regards,

John Garaty

Unanderra in oz

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DBodnar

BARC (Blinking Auto Reverse Controller)

May I suggest a unit that works very well with DC operated trolleys and other point-to-point units?.

It features gradual acceleration and deceleration at each end of the track and works with DC powered engines from N to G scale.

http://www.trainelectronics.com/autoreverse/basic/NEW_unit.htm

 

dave

 

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Oztrainz

Next suggestion...

Hi Jerry,

get a few of the same locomotive and swap the locomotive out regularly for servicing. Years ago my club was brought on board by a local club to service an elevated railway operating in a smokey bar type environment. We could just get 24 hours running with old type Athearn mechanisms before we had to swap out the locomotive and clean the track. The locomotive  got a wheel and contact clean with a light lube off-site before it was returned to the operating pool.  

Use graphite on the track to improve your wheel/rail connectivity. That should remove/reduce the need to clean the track. Adhesion should not be a problem on a straight flat track.    

Regards,

John Garaty

Unanderra in oz

Read my Blog

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brokenarrow873

Circuitron AR-2

Please use a Circuitron AR-2 for DC auto reverse.

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brokenarrow873

Reverser

Sorry, the Prof is correct it, is an AR-1 by Circuitron.

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Prof_Klyzlr

AR-1 VS AR-2, Active VS "dumb" shuttle systems...

Dear ???, Jerry, Shuttle curious,

Technically either the AR-1

http://www.circuitron.com/index_files/ins/800-5400ins.pdf

or AR-2

http://www.circuitron.com/index_files/ins/800-5401ins.pdf

will do as Jerry requires.

However, it should be noted that the Circuitron (and most US-made units) require some form of active detector at each end-point of the shuttle-route  to tell the unit when "something" has arrived and needs reversing/polarity-change/"throwing-back the other way".

In contrast, the typical UK-made units
(GaugeMaster SS-1, Anton's Trains, "Misc Electronics for Model Railroads" homebruise unit linked-to above)

do not need any active end-stop detection,
they only use a standalone diode at either end to "catch" the loco,
and hold it until the track polarity reverses to "send it back the other way".
(IE the diode is entirely electrically, physically, and wiring-independent of the Shuttle unit itself.
Indeed, One can add a diode as a "dead mans safety" systems to single-ended spurs even without a shuttle-unit in play. Works great for Point-to-point layouts where kids are frequent guest operators... ).

Both approaches have their Pros and Cons:

 

"Active detection" systems (as typically found in the US)

PROs

- Can handle any-length "shuttle route" (Will only "change direction" when the end-detector is tripped)
- Adds capability for "controlled slow-down/accell"
- Can easily adapt to "loco at either end of the train consist" situations

CONs

- Requires more wiring (not just the track feeds, but also the mandatory feeds to either end's "detector" units
- Cannot work _without_ the detectors connected
- Can in some cases be "spooked" by spurious/intermittent noise picked up by the "detection wiring"
- Needs extra detectors, and sometimes extra $$$ circuitry, to handle "multiple end points"
(IE anything more complex than literally a straight-track "A-to-B and back again" situation)
- Can be faked-out by something triggering the detector which is not actually the desired shuttle train
- No automatic "dead man's safety" auto-stop capability
(train _can_ be made to "run off the end-of-track" if incorrect detection occurs)
- Cannot handle spontaneous (0-5-0 switcher) replacement of the loco, or starting-of-the-shuttle with a loco in the End-stop sections (likely mis-trigger condition resulting in loco happily chuffing straight off the end-of-track...)

 

"Dumb Timer" systems (as typically found in the UK)

PROs

- Requires less wiring (Throttle> Shuttle unit> Track feed)
- Switching between "Shuttle" and "Manual drive" mode is a 1x toggle switch action
(drop power to the Shuttle unit, and the Manual throttle track-feed passes thru un-affected)
- Handles complex shuttle routes with multiple-end-points easily, at only AUD$0.05c additional per end-point
(just add a diode on the new/extra end-point)
- Absolutely reliable "dead mans safety" stopping any any, every, and all trains at either end of the shuttle route, irrespective of the shuttle-unit or manual throttle state.
(Loco literally cannot go past the diode point, unless the loco is wired up incorrectly!!!!)
- can handle "loco placed any orientation relative to the track" and "loco placed anywhere ion the shuttle route including within the end-stop sections" conditions without causing a "false detection" condition, or provoking a "loco over the edge" condition. 

CONs

- Being a "Dumb" timer, it literally counts off X seconds, then changes direction.
Ergo, if the length of the shuttle route divided by the train speed> the timer setting, 
the train will reverse before it "gets to the far end of the route".
NB that this is easily solved with the addition of a capacitor to the 555 timer circuit.
(I built a unit following the "Misc Electronics" article linked above, with a 10-minute maximum shuttle-time,
dead easy to adapt to requirements)
- Requires accurate/predictable placement of the diode-stopping gaps.
- Requires fore-thought re "which end of the train the loco will be on",
and "how much track beyond the diode is required to hold the typical shuttle train"
(the shuttle does not care which end of the train the loco is on, it will still count off X seconds and then change-polarity/direction. However, if the train is too long, the loco will attempt to shove the excess-length train consist off the edge-of-track)
- Does not give a controlled "decel/accel" behaviour at end-of-track. 
(Realistically, if running at scale-speeds, this is far less visually jarring than it sounds on paper.
Furthur, with the addition of a simple capacitor at each end in parallel with the stopping diode,
predictable consistent Decell can be added/tweaked/modified/played-with easily!)

Personally, I have used and taught "scared of wires" modellers how to install "dumb timer" shuttle systems in scales N thru O2R (and most of the NG variants in between). Said units have then gone on to reliably keep show layouts running for literally years. The flexibility of the "diode stop" system has allowed sectional layouts to be freely remixed ands re-assembled without any change in Shuttle settings or track buss wiring, and no need for excess "detection wiring"...

Happy Modelling,
Aim to Improve,
Prof Klyzlr

 

 

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