jmt99atsf

I have spent several hours over the last month pulling up each of the 48 insulfrog turnouts on the staging level to insulate the frogs.  This was fairly easy but tedious as I use track nails to hold down my turnouts and I do not solder them to the incoming or outgoing tracks.

Because the insulated joiners have a vertical nub, I had to file a small amount of track off the frog rails so the turnout would fit tight but still leave a discernible gap.   I used some Super Glue gel (from a local big box store) which thickened up overnight to fill the gap pretty well.  I then used emery boards to file the glue down to track height. The emery boards worked very well and are cheap to purchase.

I have been running some trains this weekend to see if everything is working properly now.  The first video below shows an N-scale ATSF passenger train (mixture of Kato, ConCor, and Rivarossi cars) led by a ConCor PA1 (Digitrax DN143IP decoder installed) running around the staging level loop that joins yard A and B on the center peninsula.  The loop with the two turnouts on the far end near the wall will give me the ability to move trains from either staging yard back to the east or west depending on where it is supposed to reenter the main level.  For example, the second video shows the Kato N-scale Silver Streak set (E5A with Kobo installed TCS decoder and 5 passenger cars) traveling from the eastern helix down track through staging yard B to staging yard A and then returning to the Ready Tracks East yard at the base of the eastern helix up track.  During its active life, the Silver Streak ran from Omaha to Kansas City and return.  On this layout, the Silver Streak will run from staging to Union Station arriving from Omaha and later (after being turned around in the planned loop around the engine facility) depart from Union Station going back to Omaha which is in the staging area.

 

 

I did find that one turnout has an issue when routing power, that is, the closure rails were dead.  I did not use the jumpers from the stock rails to the closure rails as suggested by Allan Gartner in http://www.wiringfordcc.com/switches_peco.htmbecause I had not had this problem arise when using Peco turnouts on my previous DC layout.  One issue that you have in N-Scale is that everything is real small (glad I don’t model in Z-scale).  I spent some time working on the process on how I would solder a small (in N-Scale that means “hard to see”) piece of solid 18 AWG wire between the stock rails and the closure rails. The picture below shows my first attempt.

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One thing that is different between the N-scale and HO-scale versions of Peco turnouts is that some, if not all of the larger scale turnouts, have a factory created opening on the bottom side to perform this soldering.  I had to cut away plastic to create a tiny opening in which to solder the wire. I probably should have done this extra bit of soldering when I had the turnouts up but I did not expect to see this problem.  Before I added the insulated joiners, each turnout was being fed from the base and from the two outgoing tracks so the closure rails were being fed from both directions so the problem was not seen.  When the insulated joiners were added is when this issue appears to have come to light.  So before this level is covered, I need to fix the 44 turnouts to ensure that the turnouts remain powered even when the point rails fail to route power from the stock rails to the closure rails.  That’s okay, it’ll give me something to do while I am finalizing the support structure for the main level.
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MLee

Try This Fix

To me, it looks like you have a made a make work project to modify all those turnouts.  On my N Scale layout I had the same problem with PECO turnouts.  This is what I did to solve the problem. 

With magnification, I checked each set of points for dirt and misalignment.  I found a lot of dirt so I vacuumed the layout.  About 1/3 of the turnouts had major to minor misalignment problems between the points.  Fixed these issues.  Then I put NO-OX between the points and did the tops and insides of the rails on all the track on the layout.  I used a dry terrycloth wash rag to wipe of the NO-OX after a couple of hours.  Problem solved.

In the future, I am going to check every turnout for alignment and NO-OX before instillation.  Also, going to NO-OX the flex track before installation too.   

I have done them both and N scale is not HO.

Mike Lee   

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jmt99atsf

Questions about the Fix

Mike,

Thanks for the recommended fix.

Where did you buy the NO-OX? Are any of the turnouts in a staging area that have limited access?  My fear is that the turnouts that will give me trouble are the ones that will be too hard to get at once the main level is built above staging.

John

Update to my comments:

I found No-Ox on Ebay and purchased a 2 oz container.  I also found the following article that was apparently written by a Model Railroader from Finland:

"Track cleaning, Linn Westcott, and No-Ox"

I know of no other more controversial subject than track cleaning. I am not posting this to convince anyone to give up a tried and true method that works for them. I am simply pointing out an easier way. This comes from my being inherently lazy, so any avid “track cleaners” can skip this post. If you hate cleaning track, read on.

One of the things that Linn Westcott wrote back in 1965 was that (quote) “many model railroads are operated successfully without ever having to clean the track”. That was an eye opener for me. I bought the book that I quoted from (764 helpful hints for model railroaders) in the late ‘70’s but filed it away and forgot about it until I built my current layout over 5 years ago.

All of the track was atlas code 80 nickel/silver with half of it new, and half 29 years old. I’ve known about No-Ox for some time, but like many of us I was brainwashed by track cleaning dogma, and didn’t try it. I had to clean my track weekly, or locos simply wouldn’t run right. An Aztec cleaning car helped somewhat, but I still had to clean track.

I finally got fed up with the weekly ritual, remembered the book, and decided to give No-Ox a try. When Linn wrote his article No-Ox was in liquid form, and has since evolved into a paste form that resembles axle grease.

I know what you’re thinking. WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD PUT GREASE ON THEIR TRACK? I went through the same thought process, but also believed that Mr. Westcott knew what he was talking about. I bought a quart can of it and went through an application method that I developed, and will share with you.

An explanation of what No-Ox is, and what it does, is needed at this point. No-Ox (plastic safe) is a rust preventive with a corrosion inhibitor system that prevents the formation of oxides. It penetrates and chemically treats metals to convert the insulative, naturally occurring, oxide coatings to a surface that is a conductor.

Nickel Silver rail has been said to have an oxide coating that is conductive, but since it is mostly copper, it will still form a non-conductive oxide. No-Ox prevents this. It works especially well when 2 metals come in contact with each other. Prime examples are loco wheels and track, internal loco contacts, turnout pivot points, or any other type of contacts. No-Ox doesn't wear off, because it becomes part of the rail or contacts by penetrating them.

Although unnecessary, any future cleaning of the rail, loco wheels, or other contact surfaces will not affect the chemical transformation, and this transformation is very long lasting. The increase in conductivity is so noticeable that you will think your loco engineer put sand on the track. It does not increase traction, but the increase in conductivity makes it seem like traction is improved. No-Ox will not repel dirt. Nothing can do that, but it SEEMS to do just that, and for years. It will reduce your cleaning to occasional light vacuuming. Period.

Sanchem (the maker of No-Ox) makes several variants; the one you want is NO-OX-ID “A SPECIAL”. To properly treat metals with No-Ox, a very small amount is used on the surface or surfaces. A waiting period of 24 to 48 hours allows the chemical process to take place, after which ALL TRACES OF THE PRODUCT ARE WIPED OFF, or otherwise removed.

In my case, scenery was completed and all track was ballasted before applying. I felt that getting the track dirty after application would affect its performance, but it didn’t matter.

All contaminants such as plaster, glue, or oil, should be removed prior to No-Ox application. The steps below are all VERY important and none should be skipped.
1. Use a mild abrasive such as fine sandpaper or a brite boy on all rails to remove any oxidation.
2. Wipe all rails with a rag and alcohol to remove any dirt and fine particles.
3. Vacuum all rails to ensure cleanliness.
4. Put very thin smears on your finger and rub it on your rails. The total amount of NO-OX-ID “A SPECIAL” that should be applied to 500’ of N scale track is about ¼ teaspoon. If you can SEE No-Ox on rails, you are putting TOO MUCH on! DO NOT APPLY MORE!
6. Run all your locomotives, EXCEPT ONES WITH TRACTION TIRES, (no rolling stock yet) over all of your track for at least 2 hours. You may notice some wheel slippage and skipping, (DO NOT PANIC) this ensures that all wheels get treated with No-Ox.
7. Remove all locomotives from track and wipe all rails with a clean rag to remove any excess product. Don’t scrub, just rub.
8. Wait 24 hours.
9. Wipe rails again. Rag will be black.
10. For locos with traction tires, turn them upside down, connect track power so that wheels turn. Put a small dab of No-Ox on a Q-tip and apply to all wheels that DON’T have traction tires. While wheels are still turning, use a clean Q-tip to remove any excess No-Ox.
11. Run trains and forget about cleaning your track except for occasional light vacuuming.

THE ABOVE 11 STEPS WERE REVISED 6-10 TO ADDRESS TRACTION TIRE ISSUES AND ARE NOT INCLUDED IN BAR MILLS DIRECTIONS.

If you still have a slippage problem, you may have too much on loco wheels. Clean off excess with a clean rag or Q-tip. You don’t want the rails slippery. What you are looking for is an almost MICROSCOPIC layer that will replace the insulating oxide coating with a long lasting conductive rail.

If you are worried about scratches on your rail from the brite boy, once you’ve applied No-Ox, you can throw it away because you won’t need it any more.

I applied No-Ox to my layout 5 years ago, and have experienced skip free running ever since. This is even after periods of no running for as long as a month. I HAVE NOT CLEANED MY TRACK IN 5 YEARS! An added bonus is that the No-Ox has changed my loco wheels into better conductors, as I have not had to clean them either. The results it produces are truly amazing and will make you wonder why you ever cleaned your track. No-Ox resembles grease, and therefore creates a natural resistance in the minds of some modelers. The fears are totally unwarranted, and the product has been successfully used on model railroads for over 45 years.

About 6 months ago I had a loco that started skipping badly. It was a Concor SW1200, and never did run that well. I decided to disassemble and discovered that the contacts were full of grease and dirt. I cleaned it all off and put a pinhead sized bit of No-Ox on the contacts. I reassembled and ran it on my track. The loco now runs better than it ever did, no skipping, and will run VERY slow. I have a video if anyone is interested.

I’m not the only one that has used No-Ox. Perhaps the most notable is Art Fahey of Bar Mills. He told me that he has been using No-Ox since the 70’s and that quote: “My N scale layout runs like a watch because of it (after wasting about $200 on track cleaning cars)”. He mentioned that he couldn’t understand why more model railroaders weren’t using it. 

I thought that the article would be of interest to others.  I am going to try the No-Ox when I get it as I really don't want to do all of that soldering.

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