Bernd

 

 There's more. Didn't realize it was a series of video's. You guys that like diesels there's something for you to.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bernd

New York, Vermont & Northern Rwy. - Route of the Black Diamonds - NCSWIC

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Dave O

Great Stuff!

Thanks for sharing!  

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Ironhand_13

makes me wonder

...Are there any model railroaders out there somewhere that actually model African or Indian railways??  I always thought modeling/proto-ing African railroads would be neat, like in "The Ghost and the Darkness", with Val Kilmer and Michael Douglas.  Very cool, in my opinion.  Modeling Inda's railways would involve ALOT of scale figures to ride on top of the cars, but that would add to it's realism.  Just curious...

-Steve in Iowa City
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DKRickman

Thought about it

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Are there any model railroaders out there somewhere that actually model African or Indian railways?

I have considered it, but to be honest I'm not sure where to start.  Other than a few pictures in books, I don't know where to look for information about the operations.  How would somebody who knows nothing of the geography, culture, or language go about learning enough to make a decent model?

Ken Rickman

Danville & Western HO modeler and web historian

http://southern-railway.railfan.net/dw/

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Dave O

A jungle railroad ...

Living in Sri Lanka, I once pondered modeling a bit of the Ceylon RR system ... it is very scenic with ocean beaches, jungles, mountains and tea estates.  They use a knuckle coupler similar to the US prototypes and buffers --- so best of both sides of the Atlantic there!  Alas they use broad guage (6' track guage) and I really did not want to mess around with re-guaging everything and the standard guage track just doesn't look right for Sri Lanka's railways.  

 

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AndreChapelon

African Railways

Well, there must be some South African Railways modeling going on as there are commercial models.

http://www.modeltrainshop.co.za/south_african_railways_model_trains.html

Note that SAR was built to 42" gauge and the proper gauge is 12mm in 1.87 scale rather than 16.5. However, Many SAR locomotives were larger than standard gauge British locomotives so the larger gauge doesn't look all that bad.

From the videos I've seem of South Africa, a lot of it resembles parts of the US Southwest.

Models aren't cheap. A 19D 4-8-2 kit with a rectangular tender would run you over $600 (SA rand is worth about 10 cents US).

Video of double headed 19D's (one with rectangular tender, the other with large Vanderbilt).

The SAR was really big on 4-8-2's and had hundreds of various sizes. IIRC, the largest were the 23's. Then there were the Garratts. Here's a GMAM (4-8-2+2-8-4) double headed with a 19B 4-8-2

Garratt at speed in Lootsberg Pass:

Mike

 

and, to crown their disgraceful proceedings and add insult to injury, they threw me over the Niagara Falls, and I got wet.

From Mark Twain's short story "Niagara"

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Bernd

Great Steam Action

Mike,

Those links were great . Some fantastic steam action there. How can anybody not love steam?

Bernd

New York, Vermont & Northern Rwy. - Route of the Black Diamonds - NCSWIC

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AndreChapelon

Steam, it's what's for dinner

Mike,

Those links were great . Some fantastic steam action there. How can anybody not love steam?

Bernd

You might like this, Bernd. 25NC class 4-8-4 #3454. Interesting loco. I noticed the exhaust looked funny and it finally dawned on me that there was a dual exhaust. However, instead of being arranged fore and aft, these are side by side.

And then there was the one off class 26 #3450, a class 25NC rebuilt under the direction of David Wardale using principles expounded by the late L.D. Porta, Notice the big gap betwen the front and rear stacks. IIRC, engine was reputed to be capable of in excess of 4,000 HP. Not bad for a "narrow" gauge engine.

And finally, East African Railways and Harbors 59th Class 4-8-2+4-8-2. 

 Engine is equipped with a Giesl smoke ejector.  These meter gauge engines produced 83.000 lbs tractive effort.

Mike

 

 

and, to crown their disgraceful proceedings and add insult to injury, they threw me over the Niagara Falls, and I got wet.

From Mark Twain's short story "Niagara"

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Bernd

Again Nice Steam

Mike,

When I did some research on the ACE3000 I was going through some of the British sites on modern day steam and ran cross reference of LD Potra. Interesting history behind that man. Had many good ideas on how to improve the steam engine. I also ran across the "Red Devil". If I remember right Wardale was an understudy of LD Porta. That's one of the reasons steam stayed so long in Africa, because of these two men.

I love those videos. Some real nice steam action.

Bernd

New York, Vermont & Northern Rwy. - Route of the Black Diamonds - NCSWIC

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J. S. Bach

Garratt at speed in Lootsberg

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Garratt at speed in Lootsberg Pass:

I am not a big fan of steam but that one is almost enough to make me want to give my GG1s! I have wondered what form the Garretts would have taken if they had become popular in the US.

 

    Later gator,

     Dave

 

Here comes a Yankee with a blackened soul,
Heading to Gatow with a load of coal.
......Anonymous pilot during the Berlin Airlift

[Fort_Lauderdale]

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AndreChapelon

U.S Garratt

I am not a big fan of steam but that one is almost enough to make me want to give my GG1s! I have wondered what form the Garretts would have taken if they had become popular in the US.

One of the advantages of a Garratt is that you can get a very large boiler within a fairly tight loading gauge since the boiler is slung between the two engines. You also have plenty of room for a large, deep firebox without worrying about driving wheels limiting the depth (a la Challenger, Big Boy., 2-8-8-2. etc.). Another advantage is that on a curve the boiler swings inward instead of outward as on a Mallet pattern articulated, thus allowing a higher speed on curves.

The biggest drawback of the Garratt is the variable weight on drivers due to the use of fuel and water carried on the engine frames which would vary the factor of adhesion and might make a Garratt slippery when low on fuel and water.  Water capacity could be significantly increased with the use of auxiliary tenders as used by South African Railways. The N&W used auxiliary tenders with the A's and the Y's.

Who knows what would have been possible with a 4-8-2+2-8-4 US Garratt with a boiler of the steaming capacity of the Lima 2-6-6-6 and the weight spread over 2 more driving axles?

Mike

 

 

 

 

 

and, to crown their disgraceful proceedings and add insult to injury, they threw me over the Niagara Falls, and I got wet.

From Mark Twain's short story "Niagara"

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