dave2744

Does anyone have info concerning Bachmann's ORE CAR , 27ft with square ends and sides w/large outside ribs? Cars are probably at the low end of their product line pricing. These are not the typical ore car as used in the Iron Mountain range. I am trying to find out if they copied a proto type and if so, what mfgr. I cannot determine how the care discharged it's load as the sides have 5 large ribs, 4 small ribs, and there is brake gear on the bottom near the center of the car ( end to end ). Hope someone can shed some light on this. Sorry about no picture but I don't have that knowledge yet. Thanks, Dave

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David Husman dave1905

I am not familiar with that

I am not familiar with that model but it sounds like a former PRR or SP ore car.  Search for "PRR ore car images".  The PRR carried taconite pellets to steel mills.  The SP cars were used for ore and are now used for aggregate loading in Texas.

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Logger01

From Botchedmann site

Dave, Are you asking about these cars?

These are similar to PRR class GD  and GG Gons. For additional information see the Railfan.net PRR site at:

http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?sel=&sz=sm&fr=GS

For example the GD Gon info is at:

http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=GD.gif&sel=gon&sz=sm&fr=GS

 

 

 

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Benny

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Those are a much more modern design than the GD....

They're basically copies of the old MDC/Roundhouse Modern Ore car.

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splitrock323

Reserve Mining

Now called North Shore Mining, used this type of car. They hauled raw ore bearing rock, not pellets. They hauled ore to the mill on the shore of Lake Superior. http://www.mnopedia.org/multimedia/first-train-taconite-silver-bay-reserve-mining-company Here is a link to a picture. I am on my iPad so I cannot post a photo inline. Thomas G.

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dave2744

Ore Car responses

Yes Ken, that's exactly the car I'm asking about. Thanks all for the very usefull info.  I'm still unsure of how they dis-charged the load, with all that brake gear underneath. These posting sites are terrific, as well as all the people that share information.  I have a 20 car fleet of these to use behind my Mantua 2-6-6-2 w/DCC & sound. Had no idea what kind of layout I would build around them, just thought they looked too good together to pass up! Interesting comment from Dave Husman about SP using these, as my 2--6-6-2 is lettered for the SP,  guess I better learn how to stip & re-letter rolling stock.

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Bernd

Dumping Ore Cars

They probably used a rotary dumper. Fast and efficient unloading technique.

Here's a web site that has some pictures of the real ore cars that you have. There's lots of info here on an ore hauling line.

http://www.oil-electric.com/2010/10/whale-rail-connection-part-iv.html

Bernd

New York, Vermont & Northern Rwy. - Route of the Black Diamonds - NCSWIC

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David Husman dave1905

PRR gons

The cars are not similar to the GD and GG class cars.  The Bachmann car is a solid bottom gon used for ores built in the 1950's or 1960's,  the GD was a hopper bottom gon (had a hopper with dumping doors but a flat bottom floor) from the 1880's and the GG was a self clearing hopper from the 1890's.  The Bachmann car would not have been used behind a steamer (especially on the SP where the cars were newer than the PRR cars).

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dave2744

So much information - - - -

This electronic  info world is unbelievable. I ask for info on an ore car. A reader references proto car. Another reader directs me to a site showing proto road using car. That site links to info about engines & shop manuals. I look up a loco I have in my roster. The photo shown contains the R.R. "Ogdensburg Bridge & Port Authority". This you won't believe - I am building a layout loosely based on Midland R.R. of New Jersey and the Sterling & Franklin mines near Ogdensburg, N.J.  I think I'll grab a beer.   By the way - thanks again to all who responded to my initial request - I hope I can return the favor sometime.  Dave

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Bing

Reserve/Northshore Mining

Yep, rotary dump. They're solid-bottom gondolas, not hoppers. Car would be physically turned upside down in a rotating dumper.

However I don't think these small cars had rotary couplers, so they'd be uncoupled to be dumped.

The cars at reserve Mining/North Shore Mining (same place,different owners) did indeed have rotary couplers. I know because I worked in the car dump there. Turned over thousands of them over the years. They dumped two cars at a time or either dump seperately. Rotation time was about 90 seconds, cars handled with a Barney.

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JodyG

Old habits die hard

I wonder how many more decades Bachmann is going to have to live with modelers calling them "botchman"? I think it is time for some of you to take a look at their latest offerings and reconsider your opinion. The ore car, for one, is not a bad model. The newest Sound Value locomotive models are quite good for the price point. Are they Genesis? No. But they are half the price, and have far better detail and running qualities then the beloved Athearn Blue Box that everyone seems to clamour about.

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DKRickman

Not Botchman, with a caveat

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I wonder how many more decades Bachmann is going to have to live with modelers calling them "botchman"? I think it is time for some of you to take a look at their latest offerings and reconsider your opinion.

Provided it fits my era, scale, etc., I will happily take any piece of current Bachmann production you care to give me.  I'll even buy it, often preferentially over the products of competitors.  Heck, I'm even looking for some cheap Bachmann pancake motored models at the moment.  BUT...

They still have a long way to go.  I like their products because they are cheap and reasonably free of obviously out of scale defects.  Once tuned, they run well and look good.  Unlike other companies, however, I do not consider them to be manufacturers of RTR equipment.  I have never had a Bachmann model which I was happy to just put on the track and run.  Some need attention to trucks and couplers, and most locomotives need better wiring and new decoders.  In short, I consider them a semi-finished kit.  To some modelers, that's still a botch.  It's perfect for me, though.

Ken Rickman

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JodyG

Ken, have you checked one of

Ken, have you checked one of these sound value alcos out? I have all three varieties including the steamer, and they perform and look as good or better then any other RTR offering in their price range. Right out of the box with no modifications:
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AndreChapelon

SP Ore Cars

They do resemble the G100-1 ore cars SP used in Kaiser ore services as seen here:

http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/spcars/byclass/gon/g100-01.htm

Note that the side extensions were added after they'd been in service for a while. The cars were built by SP in 1958, after complete dieselization.

As built: http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/photos/sp/sp345047_southern_pacific.jpg

Remember seeing the ore train when I was a teenager before the enormous influx of second generation diesels of the late 60's. Sometimes it seemed as if every road unit assigned to the LA Division was either on the point of that train or being used as a helper.

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