Geoff Bunza geoffb

Model animation—bringing models to life—adds enormously to the interest and enjoyment of any layout or individual model! This time I show how The Crane Critter finds its way, using a simple application of a terrific magnetic sensor that modelers of all kinds should really understand. I’ll point you to some parallels in robotics—now don’t get scared off – that might give us modelers some new ideas for our layouts, and why scale model animation is different… and the same! Maybe scale model animation taken to the limit is Micro-Robotics?

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Let's Go!

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Geoff Bunza geoffb

Scale Model Animation 4 – Critter Guidance, Sensors, & Fun

Sensors Tell You Where To Go

To understand how the Critter is guided, one first needs to understand a great little sensor called a Hall Effect Device. Two types I use are the AH180-PL-A (the one with leads) and the TCS20DLRLF  (the surface mount device- SMD) both pictured below:

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Digikey.com and Mouser.com are good sources for all sorts of Hall Effect sensors. Be careful though, there are several variations. One with an “omnipole” characteristic will activate with either the north or south pole of a magnet. This is the kind I look for. Either of these will react (turn on) in the presence of a magnetic field. So they switch “on” when a magnet is near and switch off when the magnet (and its field) goes away. Simple, right? Yes, very simple. Now for the best part--- you can obtain tiny rare earth (read incredibly strong) magnets from many sources including your local Radio Shack.

I’ll come back to why this is important later, but some of you want to know how this is used in the Critter Guidance system. You will see from the picture below and the accompanying video that below the black plastic top, that much like the Faller car system (a great innovation in my opinion) a slit is cut into the foam core (I was not very neat with this because I ripped it up and re-tried different wire thicknesses and sources) and a iron/steel/ferrous wire was inserted to determine the path of travel for the Critter.

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I started with an old wire coat hanger, by the way, and it worked great! Since then in the model shipbuilding section of hobby stores I found black annealed spools of wire, some of which work great (some are not attracted to a magnet, so take one along with you when you look for it).  I found these in 19GA, 21GA, and 24GA wire. All work here, but bigger is better here (smaller GA number).

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Now here’s where allot of the guesses were close but not quite accurate (the readers of this blog are amazing observers and modelers, if I may say so). Many people found the white “shoe” on the bottom of the Critter, some deduced it held a magnet—all correct! The “shoe” was a small piece of styrene freely pivoting on one end (the far end from the magnet) and was dragged from SIDE TO SIDE as the Critter moved along the embedded wire under the black plastic top.

The wire had no signal emission, and there were no markings whatsoever on the plastic for guidance. BUT, in the Critter chassis above the shoe on each left and right side, there was a Hall Effect device (a TCS20DLRLF-two in all). When the Critter deviated from the course set by the wire below, the shoe moved under one sensor, the sensor turns on, and the controller in the Critter detected the change, and simply drove the treads to turn until the sensor switched off! Neat and simple! You may get a better of what’s going on in this video:

A comment: This is a very simple variation of a “line following algorithm” used by all kinds of robots! Hence, The Critter bridges the worlds of Model Railroading, Animation, and Robotics. Maybe I should say I’m working on Scale Model Robotics? Micro-Robotics? Could this be the draw for a new generation of scale modelers? However, as opposed to what some usually think of when they think of robots and robotics, scale model animation needs for things to move very slowly, not fast, and typically, small scale models don’t have the power, volume, and control sophistication for complex systems. But the sensors and techniques used even in the large sale world might point the way here.

It should be clear that there is no mechanical linkage as in the clever Faller car system for steering. There really can’t be since this is a tracked vehicle anyway. What was amazing to me is what happens in the turns. My first “track” or “course” was a decreasing radius spiral following several “wiggles” left and right. I thought I would measure how sharp a radius in the turn I could take. Originally, I turned the Critter by stopping one track, and driving the other to pivot around the stopped track. This worked, but sure enough on the decreasing radius turn it eventually went off course. Now the control system freaks reading this will immediately pounce here and proclaim that I could adjust speed and timing to make this work. They would be right in theory, but in practice it is much more difficult for a couple of reasons: the Hall Effect sensors exhibit slight hysteresis—if they might turn on at 0.4 inches from a magnet but then they might turn off at 0.6 inches away; also, you can only make the tracks go so slow before friction stops them. Nonetheless, the pivoting turn worked. But I have seen a tread crawler pivot in place by driving one track forwards and the other backwards—why not here? Well, this yields the amazing capability to (almost) make a 90 degree turn following the embedded wire. In the teaser Critter video (number 2) you can see the Critter make some relatively sharp turns. Believe it or not, I am hoping to have it either navigate through a forest, city streets, or a quarry. The treads also allow it to climb very easily. The magnet shoe is tapered on the front so it can go over uneven surfaces. By the way, I left the shoe white and long to make it easier to see in the videos—that was my hint to you all. It could be hidden by shortening it and painting it black—or better by using black styrene to fabricate it.

A Switch with More Value Than Meets the Eye

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The Hall Effect Sensor is likely known to some, but not to most modelers. It is a three terminal device. In my case, it is powered by 3.5 volts (+ & - are two connections; the AH180-PL-A can be powered with 5Volts) and it has a single output pin that will pull the line low (connect it to +3.5 to 5Volts through a 4.7K resistor) when it detects a magnetic field—so it’s a magnetic switch. Big deal you say? Maybe, but consider the possibilities.  These switches can be turned on by incredibly small magnets. Take a look in the picture here:

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All of these magnets are incredibly small and cheap! Other than the Radio Shack (RS) one, the others were purchased from MagnetsandMagnets.com and they also are on ebay. The bigger and stronger the magnet, the greater the distance away from the sensor it will switch. If you have a moving apparatus (say a turntable) you can detect multiple positions with one sensor by secreting incredibly tiny magnets at all relevant positions (say track alignments) with no mechanical connections or contacts—pretty neat if you start thinking about it. I glue one of each type magnet to a small stick and use it to determine the orientation of the magnet (pole position) and to pick them up before they “launch” off my workbench.

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The Critter is going to be equipped with the AH180-PL-A to perform another critical function: absolute position reporting. What good is that you say? Well, the Critter guidance system I described keeps it on its path- and even works well (I’m still amazed at that!), but you need to get The Critter to stop and “work” along the way. I’m pretty sure that with another “downward looking” sensor, this time with a magnet embedded in the surface (or to the side), it will be able to detect “milestones” along the way. The controller could then pause, turn, raise or lower the boom or hook, etc. and perform some “useful” function on my layout. 

So there’s more to come for The Critter.

‘Hope you like it! Your terrific (and relevant) suggestions are always welcome.

Have fun! 
Best Regards,
Geoff Bunza

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HVT Dave

So it was Hall Effect Sensors..

as I surmised and expressed.  Clever to add the floating magnet following the ferrous wire to activate the HES.

Dave

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Geoff Bunza geoffb

Hall Effect Sensors

Thanks Dave. Soooooooooo many people were so close! The magnet shoe does double duty-- that's the diff!

Best regards,

Geoff

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HVT Dave

BTW I use Hall Effect Sensors

for position reporting on my Faller type roadway.  And I use a Boy Scout compass to determine orientation off the magnets.

Dave

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Dave K skiloff

Love this stuff

Geoff, you are going to get me off track from my regularly scheduled modeling projects!  So many things I want to try, but I need to focus now on my other stuff.  Very much enjoy your projects and look forward to getting into this more in the future.  At which time, I will almost certainly try to pick your brain.

Dave
Playing around in HO and N scale since 1976

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joef

Geoff, thanks so much!

Geoff:

Thanks so much for these blog posts! Animation is a fun new frontier in the hobby and it's great to have someone with your experience and background talking us along on your coattails as you explore this intriguing area.

Joe Fugate​
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Ken Biles Greyhart

I've Been Wondering...

I had been wondering since the March issue of MRH, where I could find those tiny little magnets. There was an ad for North American Railcar Corporation MagnaLock Brake Lines in that issue, and watching the videos, it didn't take me very long to figure out that each of the brake lines has one magnet properly aligned so that as long as say North is always on the left, if you bring two of them together, they will always snap together. The questions was, where to get magnets that small?

Now that I know where to find some of these things, I may have to do some experimenting.

Animation can be everywhere, if you have the patience to build it.

 

 Ken Biles

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Geoff Bunza geoffb

You Bet!

You Bet Joe! and all are most welcome to come aboard for the ride!

I can't wait to see what Bernd and the rest of the gang will do with this one!

I've a few more projects in the works too. Much more FUN to come.

 

Best Regards,

Geoff

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Geoff Bunza geoffb

Tiny Magnets

Ken,

Those 1x1x1 rare earth magnets are the smallest magnets I've ever seen, and they are strong. They disappear on the back of an X-Acto knife or screwdriver in an instant. You can get several hundred at a time quite reasonably. I keep finding new uses for them.

One glued and painted at the end of an air hose might make quite a convincing glad-hand!

Best Regards,

Geoff

 

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Bernd

Bravo

Geoff. Never thought about the hall effect sensors. I should have since they use those for position sensing and rotary sensing, plus speed sensing (RPM)

Are you going to show the motor drive of this neat littler critter crawler? I'd like to see how and what you used, especially the tracks.

Oh, BTW, that was a Northern Flicker in that video. He was probably wondering how that crawler worked too.

Looking forward to seeing more of your animation systems.

Bernd

New York, Vermont & Northern Rwy. - Route of the Black Diamonds - NCSWIC

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Geoff Bunza geoffb

The Innards are Coming! The Innards are Coming!

Hi Bernd,

Thanks! Yes as the Critter grows up I'll continue with more detail. You already know about the drives! They are two of the gearmotor assemblies I used in the NYC Railway crane a while ago. I triimed them back as much as I could and stuck an axle into the last gear where I screwed the boom and hook spindles for the 250 Ton Athearn crane.

Did you know those motors are not coreless motors? They actually have an iron armature. I burned one up so I opened it up to see! They are absolutely great devices for modelling and animation-- cheap too.

Believe it or not I'm trying to make my own flexible treads now for crawler cranes. It's the last thing on a crane I don't know how to replace!

More to come....

Best Regards,

Geoff

 

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Bernd

Rubber tracks

Have you considered liquid latex? The guys that are doing the HO scale cars make a mold using the plastic wheel and then fill with black liquid latex. Here's a link where to buy it. http://www.liquidlatexusa.com/8ozsolid.html

Bernd

New York, Vermont & Northern Rwy. - Route of the Black Diamonds - NCSWIC

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Jim Wells

Hey Ken, all,   This is

Hey Ken, all,

This is one place where you can find magnets in almost any size/shape imaginable:

http://www.supermagnetman.net/

Hope this helps,

jim

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Geoff Bunza geoffb

Rubber tracks

Hi Bernd,

You're sharp as ever... I've been experimenting by taking a single layer of tissue paper and repeatedly brushing on coats of liquid latex, as you also suggested. The strength of the resultant material is impressive and even with six coats it is unbelievably thin and flaxible (color is horrible but I'm hoping to use a dye in the latex later. I'm trying to form a loop of material I can cut down to size later. I haven't figured out how to create the tread plate separations or detail though.

I'd bet there's a way to do it!  Any ideas?

Best Regards,

Geoff

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UPWilly

Another rare earth magnet source

As Geoff mentioned, they are available on EBay. I bought some from the seller in the link below a little over a year ago to experiment with mechanically controlled uncoupling magnets, but have not got into that project at this time. The magnets sent to me were shipped from Hawaii.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_from=&_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ssn=serrow999&_ipg=200&rt=nc

There is a very large variety at what seemed to be good prices.

 

Bill D.

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N Scale (1:160), not N Gauge. DC (analog), Stapleton PWM Throttle.

Proto-freelance Southwest U.S. 2nd half 20th Century.

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Bernd

Tracks

Geoff,

I experimented making a conveyor belt using black denim and rubber cement. That was before I learned about latex. I thinned the rubber cement then brushed it on the denim. While still in the tacky state I wrapped the belt around the pulleys with a small bit of over lap. The tackyness of the belt held it together while it dried. The nice thing is it didn't take a set at the rollers. That was the biggest problem to over come. I had tried many other materials until I used the black denim.

For the tread I'd make small individual pieces and then fasten them onto the belt already made with the latex. 

I tried to upload some pictures but am having trouble with my ISP at the moment. Once I get it straightened out I'll send a couple of pics.

Bernd

New York, Vermont & Northern Rwy. - Route of the Black Diamonds - NCSWIC

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Bernd

Belt Construction

 

Geoff,

Got my ISP straightened out. Her are two pictures of a test fixture I built to test out my belt idea. The fixture is sitting on some black denim I purchased at a fabric store.

In the second picture the belt is cut to length and the coated with rubber cement. Once it's tacky I form a loop with a slight overlap. The overlap I just squeeze together and let it dry over night. I made the fixture so that you can tighten the belt. The pulleys run on ball bearings. The nice thing is that the belt does not take a set on the rollers and it doesn't take much torque to move the belt.

I'm thinking you could mold a second belt with tread marks and then use the denim as a sub belt to attach the treads to. I can picture it in my mind but am having a tough time explaining in words. Hope it makes sense to you.

May not be what you want to used but it should give you some ideas. Have fun.

Regards,
Bernd

New York, Vermont & Northern Rwy. - Route of the Black Diamonds - NCSWIC

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Geoff Bunza geoffb

Denim Tracks

Hi Bernd,

I didn't think of using denim or any cloth for that matter, as I thought it would not be flexible enough. The cloth would certainly add strength. I had got to try this out.

I'm still wondering about the tread plates. On a crawler, the turns around the drive wheels are barely more than 1/4inch. I think this is another area for modeler experimentation!

Thanks for the ideas. Keep 'em coming.

Best Regards,

Geoff

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Benny

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You could coat the fabric with RTV, which stays flexible after it's adhered.  Further, if you used those rubber pieced used in ink stamp kits, you could affix them to the RTV before it dries and have a belts with feet....though in time the feet will probably pull off...

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Bernd

Crawler Tracks

Geoff,

This may not fit but I was watching this video and came across this IR controlled crawler that uses etched track plates put together for a full track. Might be more than you want to do. Go to 7:30. That's were the tracks are.

 

 Bernd

P.S. for those who don't understand German the green VW bus is in N scale.

New York, Vermont & Northern Rwy. - Route of the Black Diamonds - NCSWIC

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TomSP

very nice

With what is available these days, so much can be done. Great work, building from scratch and experimenting still lives !

 

rgds TOMSP

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Geoff Bunza geoffb

Crawler Tracks

Bernd,

The work of those modelers is very impressive. I had seen another of their videos but not the one with the metal treads. Thanks for that. They exhibit a level of machining beyond belief. The mechanism on that bucket tilt is like a fine watch.

Your denim idea is great. I am going to get some silk or very fine cloth and try that for some very small (maybe 6mm - 8mm) treads. I've already received some ideas for molding on the plates or gluing them on. This will be another area that experimentation will really be needed. But it should be fun.

Best regards,

Geoff

 

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Bernd

Micromodels

Geoff,

I'm impressed also. I wish we had a vendor in the US for those small gears. I think we could turn out some impressive stuff like that to. I've been searching and have found a few resourses, but not quite what I'd like. I believe there is a source over in Poland that caters to those people with what is needed.

Anyway looking forward to your blogs on the crawler. Who knows I might build one for my lime stone quarry.

Keep up the great work.

Regards,
Bernd

New York, Vermont & Northern Rwy. - Route of the Black Diamonds - NCSWIC

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Geoff Bunza geoffb

Tiny parts availability

Bernd,

I tried tracking down the European source(s) of some of their parts and found that even the most basic parts they were using were extraordinarily expensive. But I'm used to scanning the surplus markets and sites and looking for much lower cost sources. It is the "treasure hunt" before the model making. What sometimes is surprising is finding some of the surplus material offered by hobby sites at a 3X - 5X markup. Original sources rather than 3rd party retailers are cheaper, but often harder to find.

Best Regards,

Geoff

 

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