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I started on a new industrial spur this week.  I chose a Central Valley (CVT) turnout kit, partly for the challenge of trying a new throwbar idea.  This is HO scale. You can buy their turnout kits here:  https://www.cvmw.com/turnouts.htm

I like CVT turnouts.  They deliver smooth operation and look good.  A few aspects of the kit design and assembly procedure leave something to be desired, however.  I ignore the foil strips in favor of hard-wiring the closure rails.  I gap the closure rails at the edge of the "frog block" to prevent back-to-back wheel shorting.  I also assemble a soldered frog point. 

The only really annoying components for me though are those for the throwbar.  The kit design is clunky, prone to mechanical interference, and quite unfriendly for use with a Caboose Industries ground throw.  Fortunately, as I discovered, it's also very easy, quick and cheap to replace with something that works far better.

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The new assembly is shown above (also note the decoder wire feeder attached to the heel of the point; there's a corresponding feeder on the opposite point).  I used the following steps:

  • Glue the tie strip down (I used acrylic/latex sealant), avoiding getting any glue under the headblock area.  I glue in one piece to keep everything aligned.

  • Once the glue dries, cut the headblocks out of the tie strip and replace them with new wood or styrene headblocks.  I used 6"X8" scale stripwood, which matches the kit ties closely.

  • Cut a new throwbar from .080" black styrene (available from Evergreen here: https://amzn.to/3Sq4ZeS).  The exact dimensions aren't critical; just ensure it won't interfere with the headblock ties but keep as wide as possible for strength.

  • Use the kit throwbar to measure for holes into which the "tabs" under the cast points will rest.  I used a 1/16" drill bit, which is about the right size once I use a square jeweler's file to re-shape the holes to fit the square tabs.  I also drilled a 1/16" hole for the ground throw.

  • Test fit the throwbar and adjust the holes as necessary around the tabs.

  • Once everything works as intended, add a cover plate to keep the point rail tabs in place.  I had a piece of thin 0.020 gray styrene (buy black 0.020 here: https://amzn.to/492OmLB) which I cut to fit, and glued atop the throwbar with styrene cement.  I also glued on a piece of joint bar from the kit to approximate a tie rod, and to break up the smooth surface of the plastic cover.

That's it!  Now proceed to adding the remaining kit details as desired.

Note that I'm not much of a fan of PC board for throwbars, and I really do like the kit point castings.  The above procedure allows me to readily use the points, while creating a durable assembly with no solder joints to fail. Here's what the kit points look like:

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Rob Spangler MRH Blog

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locoi1sa

That looks nice and seems

That looks nice and seems real easy to make. I have used P87 stores solder able throwbars on mine and I also do the decoder wire feeds too. Before using the P87 throwbars I would file the tabs off the points and solder a brass pin to them and use strip wood for the throwbar. Some have split and loosened. I changed to styrene strip for awhile.  I also make my own frogs on a home made jig then cut it short about 5/8 of an inch long. With .015 styrene for gap fillers and the frog details they work great. Never a need to wire the frog even for my little brass 0-4-0T.

           Pete

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Joe Brugger

Interesting

Do you have a good guess on the longevity of styrene?  Seems like Delrin might be a good choice, too, assuming it could be found in strips or sheets.

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wp8thsub

Longevity

Joe - I've had good luck with thick styrene for throwbars.  Another local layout has a yard ladder where all the handlaid turnouts use styrene throwbars made of thinner material, and I'm aware of only one that has broken in the last 20+ years despite heavy op session use.  None of mine have been around that long, but I have no failures to report.  Engineering plastic like Delrin would probably be even better as you suggested.

Rob Spangler MRH Blog

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Matthew W Hardey Matt Hardey
Joe and  Rob,
Has anyone found a glue that is really effective on Delrin?  Please pass along the brand   and product name.
Thanks.

Matt Hardey

​New Orleans Great Northern Railroad

Covington, LA

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barr_ceo
Joe and  Rob,
Has anyone found a glue that is really effective on Delrin?  Please pass along the brand   and product name.
Thanks.
Cyanopoxy worked well... but the full kit ( Cynopoxt, prep, and kicker )  was about $35... in about 2004. May be close to $50 now. Not really economical for a single use. Better to just buy a new turnout.
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Andy Reichert
 
 
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I make a little pair of jigs for the Proto:87 Stores that keeps the  two halves of the CV base correctly aligned while replacing the head ties and throw bar. Also the wood replacements are specially made exactly the same thickness as the CV ties. 
 
Andy
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David Emery deemery2
Joe and  Rob,
Has anyone found a glue that is really effective on Delrin?  Please pass along the brand   and product name.
Thanks.
Suggest dropping a note to the people at Deluxe Materials, https://deluxematerials.co.uk.  I think they have an adhesive for that, and in particular they have this stuff that is an activator for CA:   https://deluxematerials.co.uk/collections/wood/products/tricky-stick?_pos=1&_sid=8fd4db97e&_ss=r  
 
Here's an article on gluing Delrin plastics (acetel):   https://gluesavior.com/how-to-glue-acetal-2/
 
dave
Modeling 1890s northeast US
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wp8thsub
Since this thread was resurrected, I'll give a follow-up.  In the eleven plus years this turnout has been in place, it has worked perfectly.  No maintenance or other issues noted.
 
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Rob Spangler MRH Blog

Reply 5
ednadolski
In the eleven plus years this turnout has been in place, it has worked perfectly.  No maintenance or other issues noted.
 
Is the rail glued? spiked? other?
 
Thx,
Ed
Reply 2
Smoke
Another option on the market now is the turnout tie rods from Oak Hill (no affiliation). I haven't tried these yet, but they look really nice!
 
 
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ednadolski
Another option on the market now is the turnout tie rods from Oak Hill (no affiliation). I haven't tried these yet, but they look really nice!
 
 
 
Interesting to learn about these.   Looks like he also has some nicely detailed frogs that should work with the CV strips.   (Haven't tried it myself tho.)
 
 
Ed
 
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wp8thsub
Is the rail glued? spiked? other?
 
Thx,
Ed
Glued with flexible CA.  I think it was PolyZap.

Rob Spangler MRH Blog

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