jmt99atsf

Since my last post, I've had an issue with the min-split HVAC not cooling properly over the 12 straight days of 100+ degrees.  I had to rearrange the room to give the technicians full access to the inside unit of the mini-split.  Now the helix is temporarily in the middle of the room which does make it much easier to work on and test.  Although, I did try to solder one of my fingers to the track this past week. Added info & pics on 31 August below.

The picture below is the Blue Goose ready for a test to test its' climbing ability on the spline helix.  I perform this test after each spline helix section is attached to determine if there are any track or electrical issues. 

The track height on the third turn above the train is now 10 7/8 inches above the table top.  I have also moved the joint for the biscuit to the middle of the straight section. I believe that it will be easier to join the sections at that point rather at the beginning of the curve. Also, I need at least one more section of spline helix to get me to the level that I will need to exit onto the main level of the planned layout.  That means that I need to cut up one more sheet of hardboard (yields about 50 strips) as I only have enough to do about half of the next section (need a total of 48 strips for each section).  So far, I've cut up 3 full sheets and a sheet that was only about 32 inches wide to build what you see in the picture. The sheets are about $8-$9 in my area so this is definitely less expensive than using a good plywood, such as a cabinet grade, to cut up as a helix base.  With plywood, in my opinion, you get a lot of waste when cutting curves.  With hardboard, the only waste is sawdust.  I am using 3/4 inch cabinet grade plywood for the base under the staging areas and probably under the various cities & towns that are planned.

The movie showing the train in action is also shown below. At least this time, I have the proper engine with the passenger cars that didn't exist.  The engine in the movie is a 1980's Con-Cor Blue Goose that I have had for about 27 years.  It still runs very well in DC.  Has anyone ever converted one of these old Con-Cor 4-6-4s to DCC? 

 

 

31 August:  Here are a couple of close-up pictures of the building of the next section. The first picture shows 8 laminated strips with a drywall screw used to hold it in place. The second picture shows one of the 18 inch long straight sections clamped to hold it straight otherwise they tend to bow slightly even after a few laminations have been glued.

The process that I use is to first laminate 7 strips from the nail out on the outside track and then do the same on the inside track.  I then use a drywall screw to hold only the outside track spline to the risers that I use to guide the laminated spline to rise 3 inches.  Then I remove the nail from the outside track (not the inside one just yet) and start laminating inward.  After laminating a total of 14 strips on the outside, I remove the nail from the inside track (no screw is necessary for the inside spline) and then use scrap pieces of spline to hold the proper spacing between the inner track and the outer track.  For example, there is a total of 24 splines so just insert the number of scrap pieces that I need between the existing outside set of splines and the inside number of splines to make the total of 24.  For each additional strip, I decrease the number of scrap pieces used to maintain the 24 total.  By using this method, I am able to use the spring clamps right up until the 24th strip is placed into the middle.  At that point, I use shorter length strips since I have to use the larger furniture clamps to hold the now 3 inch wide spline section together.  I will take some pictures of how the last strip is placed when I get to that point.  I picked up a sheet of masonite at one of our local hardware stores the other day for $5 as it was damaged a little along the edge.  Hopefully I will get around to cutting some more spline strips as I am out of them at the moment.  To date, I have cut 3 2/3 sheets and I think 1 to 1 1/2 more should do it since the next level after this one only needs to be about half of a full section as that will be the exit/entrance level of the helix onto the main layout level. I need about 50-60 strips to finish and I have been getting about 50 from a sheet.

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The picture below is one of the 18 inch straight sections (inside track spline) clamped with the spring clamps and using a strip of flat aluminum plus a wood strip to hold it as straight as possible.  The outside track spline is at the bottom of the picture.

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More to come next month.

John

 

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AZPacific

Looks Like a Great Test!

I am planning a helix for my pike as well, and have considered using spline. I didn't see any of the cupping common to regular types of helix, and it appears to operate beautifully! Thanks for the video.

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jmt99atsf

Spline Helix Construction

One of the questions that I had to answer before building the first section was whether to build the spline helix flat or on the 2% grade.  I believed that building it flat was okay for the regular spline sections on a layout but I was concerned that it would have " flat memory" and be hard to level as it was anchored at the various turns of the helix as it curved upwards.  Thus I made the decision to build it on the 2% grade as a means to negate the potential for the laminated hardboard to have "flat memory."  The only problem that I have had is at the biscuit joining point, probably because I'm joining the sections at the beginning of a curve.  I've moved the joint back to the middle of the straight section so I'm hoping that will solve that issue.  Overall, you have to be patient in building a helix this way as it takes a lot of time. 

Thanks for your interest in my project.

 

John

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prrj1a

Spline Helix Construction

John,

Enjoyed the movie, looks good.

Having just purchased Joe Fugate's Siskiyou Lines DVD the hardboard spline system is calling to me.

I've started building a 43" radius On3 double track helix climbing at 2.75%   So far ply is cut but concerns over lack of rigidity bother me.  I am now considering splines on top of the ply as a composite, thank you for sharing your experience and the dvd.

John RGS UK

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Hunter Hughson

Thoughts so far?

It looks like everything runs smoothly. Congrats! 

You started this project as an experiment.  I like the fact that you actually built it to see if it could be functional and if the trade-off between plywood and spline was worth it.  I know from my experience that I sometimes have to build my ideas before I can really assess their merits.   

Now that you have the thing mostly built and operational, and with the obvious merits of spline roadbed aside, I'm wondering if how you feel about its overall size and the space it takes up in your layout room, relative to a circular helix. 

Also, the threaded rod system you used looks slick.  I've done adjustments to a helix made from plywood and solid wood block spacers, and I can say that your system looks like it can be much more easily tweaked after the fact.

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jmt99atsf

My Thoughts So Far..Jumbled As They Might Be

I wasn't sure that I'd like the threaded rods since I had never used them before.  In fact, I've never had the need to build a helix before nor have I used spline roadbed in the past.   So this project was as much an experiment as a learning process.  I need to cut some more strips of hardboard but I do that outside so I am waiting for it to cool down a little here in central Texas before I tackle that job.

The building where my layout (under construction) is  housed is 15 foot 3 inches wide by 24 feet 11 inches long.  It has a true open-out doorway so the door does not bother the layout inside.  I had originally planned a bridge across the doorway but my chief of staff (wife of 42 years) expressed her concern about that blocking the door and she also recommended against duckunders.  Therefore, I have to use a helix at either end to get the train down to the staging yards. Additionally, my last layout had some real narrow aisles (down to 18 inches in some places).  This layout will have a minimum of 36 inch aisles.  That constrained the helix table width to 48 inches.

I read an article some time ago that discussed the problem with smaller radius circular helices and the factor called "virtual grade."  The friction of the train going round and round has an effect of making your grade actually be a steeper grade to the engine thus affecting its pulling power.  I also read some other articles that talked about spiral and oval helices.  Each of them had their benefits but I liked the oval version better and it seemed easier to me to build so I picked that one.My helix occupies an area 4 feet wide by 5 1/2 feet long.  The only will run from the main level (48 inches) down to staging (33 inches) so they will not protrude above the layout.  I plan on some kind of a removable scene  to cover the open center of the helix. Before deciding on the radii to be used, I had to calculate virtual grades for possible circular helix designs as well as estimating the circumference for the oval helix design (it is essentially a parabola). I found that the oval helix design calculations would make it appear to have a grade that would be approximately the same as for a circular helix of a larger radius circle.  Thus even though the footprint of the helix was fairly large, it would meet my requirement to be a virtual/apparent 2% grade but only in an oval configuration while being limited to not more than 48 inches wide.

I really do like the threaded rod system as I adjust it as I go and I feel certain that once the first helix is completed that I will do some final leveling adjustments. 

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