proto87stores

The Proto:87 Stores has been selling our Suydam Motor Magnet upgrade kits, for Pittman and similar motors, to adult customers only, for a couple of years now, but I just noticed there are now vendors selling the same magnets loose in bulk to all modelers of any age. Which is likely to mean that there will be "spares" ending up forgotten in unlabeled parts boxes, and forgotten, where children could easily come across them much later. Or even buy them directly.

 

 

Given the recent MRH article on children joining in with modeling, I though this new CNN clip ought to be put in front of the membership ASAP, as the accidental swallowing of these types of magnets WILL have an immediate,  life threatening effect inside the digestive tract, requiring very serious and major emergency surgery, with still no guarantee that life can be saved.

Once installed as per our instructions, and no magnets left over, the risk is minimal. But a couple of the beautifully shiny magnets left lying around are a potential time-bomb for curious, unwarned, children or small animals..

Andy

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stogie

Having designed...

Having designed magnetic equipment, I must also warn you guys to watch your fingers. If you haven't found out yet, RE magents can snap together quickly and pinch your skin if not careful. Also, please wear eye protection, as many RE magnet types are known to be brittle and a sudden attraction may have enough force to cause chips to break off. 

Ok, enough of the nanny state comments. RE magnets are freaking cool aren't they? I have a couple from a previous job. Oh the stories I could tell...

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Kevin Rowbotham

Slow News Day...?

Gee my five year old still isn't shopping online or unsupervised for that matter and where I come from, by five, most kids know better than to put stuff they pick up off the floor/ground in their mouths, let alone swallowing the stuff, or at least mine do.

Thanks for the dire warning all the same.

~Kevin

Appreciating Modeling In All Scales but majoring in HO!

Not everybody likes me, luckily not everybody matters.

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dfandrews

New Magnets vs amps

Ok, Andy, now I have a question.

Does replacing a pittman magnet with one of yours reduce the amperage draw of the motor much?

(Hidden real question:  can it reduce Athearn motor draw enough to be able to use a DCC decoder?).

Kevin:   

I agree:  our kids were taught about hand to mouth activities at an early age.  Thanks for the warning, Andy.

 

Don - CEO, MOW super.

Rincon Pacific Railroad, 1960.  - Admin.offices in Ventura County

HO scale std. gauge - interchanges with SP; serves the regional agriculture and oil industries

DCC-NCE, Rasp PI 3 connected to CMRI, JMRI -  ABS searchlight signals

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lexon

OT. Button batteries

Really OT but don't forget Button batteries. Those little things are in everything and kids have swallowed them.

Most parents eventually forget that they grew up as a child.

Rich

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proto87stores

I measured about 50% running current reduction!

Stall current seemed down too, but I'm not sure about the reason for that. I'll run new tests and re-publish the data in the next few days.  I too need to have DCC with an adequate bemf for decent slow running! I do have identical before and after cars to measure from

Another thing I do is supply a soft iron shim (or shims for custom thickness if needed), with each kit, to close the air gap that you typically get with a fixed height magnet stack. That cuts the flux losses that otherwise flow out of the gap, that degrade the performance well below optimum. Any air gap should not be so large that the magnet stack can just be slid in and out. You can't tighten down very much on ceramic magnets, but you can close the air gap quite well with a shim.

In the case of the Suydam cars, it's not just having a new strong magnet that makes for such a running improvement. There are other parts that I'll be adding to the kits soon to fix some fundamental "old brass" pick-up problems as well

Andy

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dfandrews

Waitin' for the update

Thanks, Andy.  I'll be waitin' for the new test results.

Oh, how we love those Maxwell equations!!!  Remember, partial differentials are our friends.

Don - CEO, MOW super.

Rincon Pacific Railroad, 1960.  - Admin.offices in Ventura County

HO scale std. gauge - interchanges with SP; serves the regional agriculture and oil industries

DCC-NCE, Rasp PI 3 connected to CMRI, JMRI -  ABS searchlight signals

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Retired Alex

New Magnets and Amperage Draw

I just received 3 sets of magnets from Proto and am getting ready to put them into my old motors. I was wondering also about reduced amperage draw and will run some before and after tests on the motors that I upgrade.

When I am talking old motors, I really mean old motors from the 80s and early 90s.

Alex B.

Modeling in HO

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Norman46

Large magnet story

In the early 1980's, our company had Honeywell computer equipment. The disk drive units were the size of a washing machine and each removable disk pack held a whopping 29 meg. The 20 stacked read/write heads were positioned by an arrangement that resembled the voice-coil for an immense speaker. It used a very large, very powerful permanent magnet. Certain service procedures required removing this magnet to reach other components. I recall one late evening when a Honeywell field engineer had two of these magnets out of drive units at the same time. He had placed them both atop the cabinet of a third disk drive, then turned back to his work. I watched in amusement as they slowly at first, then with increasing speed, slid toward each other, finally slamming together with a resounding clang. It took two crowbars and several blocks of wood to separate them enough to be moved a safe distance apart.
Norman Modeling L&N in HO circa 1953 We don't stop playing with trains because we grow old. We grow old because we stop playing with trains. Webmaster for http://www.locallocomodelrr.org
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