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MEK as plastic cement?
Tue, 2012-05-22 15:27 — noah_count
Saw on another forum sometime ago that MEK was basically the same stuff as liquid plastic cement. Having discovered my bottle I had on hand not tightly capped in a box and therefore gone and not wanting to wait on mail order, I'm wondering if it's true that they are one and the same. I know they both smell basically the same and both require ventilation and care in using but what say the experts?
Michael
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MEK
I have used MEK for cementing plastic parts together for years. The only difference is the the MEK evaporates a lot faster. Strength and durability is the same as far as I have been able to determine over the past 15 years that I have been using it
Don
Alternatives to MEK
I asked about this on another forum post...
http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/7063
My local hobby shop has just informed me that all the standard plastic solvents (Ambroid, Tenax-7R and similar) are now not readily available in canada, due to a change in customs regulations between Canada and the US.
Living in Canada, that creates a problem. However, I discovered that good old Lacquer Thinner contains Toluene, Methyl Alcohol and MEK, and you can buy liter cans from any big box store for less than $10.
Other than being VERY liquid, it works great. This is where a syringe comes in handy. You can get those form Hobby Lobby...
John
If it melts it, it welds it
Plastics cover the whole range from very resistant to organic solvents all the way to highly sensitive to organic solvents. Styrene happens to be on the far end of the highly sensitive to organic solvents scale. Hence, many solvents will easily melt styrene.
Using solvent with styrene is more akin to welding than gluing. Solvent dissolves the styrene temporarily, dissolved styrene from the two parts flow together, solvent evaporates, styrene returns to a solid. There is no "glue" in the final joint. The two parts have become one styrene part.
Therefore, any solvent that will dissolve styrene will also weld styrene. MEK just happens to be very strong solvent well suited to the task. Many others will work. Lacquer thinners, as noted above, are good suitable replacements because they contain strong solvents for melting lacquer paint. The evaporation rate of the solvent will determine the work and set time.
You can make your own "thick" MEK by dissolving a small amount of styrene into the can prior to using.
Alan
Walk-in, Double Deck, HO, 1969, Freelance, 28'x32', DCCwww.LKOrailroad.com
Broken record
I may sound like a broken record (remember those?) but make sure that you use any solvent with proper ventilation! Sniffing this stuff can turn your brain to mush - which will really reduce your enjoyment of your model railroad.
Rick
Rick
The former Richlawn Railroad Website - Featuring the L&N in HO / MRH Blog Eastern Standard Time
Another happy MEK user
I've used MEK, lacquer thinner, and a variety of commercial glues and solvents. MEK is by far my favorite. As has already been noted, it is very thin - I use a long handled paint brush to apply it (glue a straw to the side of the can to hold the brush). Unlike any of the commercial glues (except perhaps Testors) that I have tried, MEK leaves absolutely no residue. I have even used it on painted models to attach detail parts (anybody try to assemble a painted P2K Mather stock car kit?) and had no paint damage at all. It is quite "hot" however, so you have to take care when gluing thin parts. The flip side of that is that laminating thin styrene onto a thicker car side gives something very close to "oil canning" seen in many prototype cars.
Ken Rickman
Danville & Western HO modeler and web historian
http://southern-railway.railfan.net/dw/
MEK
If you read the label on a bottle of Testor's liquid cement, that's exactly what it is. MEK with a little styrene dissolved in.
Chris van der Heide
CPR Sudbury Division (Waterloo Region Model Railway Club)
Canadian Freight Car Gallery
MEK and a safety note
Don
A few years back, Well really a lot of years back, I worked for an aviation fixed based operator. They used MEK to strip the paint on aircraft. The Mek solvent not only is a breathing hazard, but can be absorbed through the skin. I have used it for a solvent myself, but I try to avoid skin contact.
Regards,
John
MEK Dangerous Try Weldon 3
Weldon 3 is a great alternative to MEK or Plastic Cement.
Here is a link to read more...
http://www.delviesplastics.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=D...
Jimmy Simmons
MEK & Barge cement
I've got a little glass jar of MEK mixed up with Barge Cement. Makes a nice "instant gummy/adjustable hold" liquid cement.
I got the idea from Les Halmos, not sure where he found it at.
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Jeff Shultz
http://www.shultzinfosystems.com
The Willamette & Pacific RR - Oregon Electric Branch
Model Railroad Hobbyist Technical Assistant
Safety
Agreed, MEK is dangerous however Weldon 3 is methylene chloride (dichloromethane) which is arguably a more hazardous solvent.
Neither should be used carelessly. Little drop of either in an eye would be a very very bad thing. Safety first!
Alan
Walk-in, Double Deck, HO, 1969, Freelance, 28'x32', DCCwww.LKOrailroad.com