blowncylinder

Several little things cropped up in my musings lately while laying out the Dettmer Spur on my Emerald, Leemer & Southern route. One is related to the ideas recently expounded upon regarding how much detail is really needed. And my wife, who does interior design work. threw me this---we may be seeing a form of minimalism in model railroading.

An interesting thought about what she suggested is that we can depict more realistic details using less detail pieces. One could save time and money on the process but then again---what era are we talking about when we say realistic? In my case the era is the 70's/80's and in an area of the continent that was seeing a lot of abandoning of branchlines and such--tearing up of rails, half demolished stations and elevators, overgrown fields and overgrown lots as towns/villages became emptied of people/industries. My musings got me into an area that isn't modelled a lot precisely because we are talking about era's that were more 'busy' --ie more 'successful' as opposed to sort of hanging on. My details involve all manner of weathered buildings, roads, and even vehicles.

So, in a sense, a kind of minimalism works for areas that are much more recent--Soeberg's layout that depicts an American southwest image will, of necessity, show a clean lined reality based on a more recent development and geography vs, say, an Appalachian coal mining district of the 50's, which would be a bit more 'cluttered' as it were. Lance Mindheim's 'Monon Route' depicts somewhat another way of depicting scenes without doing the whole thing by 'suggesting'--here is another word used to describe minimaistic settings--a quarry exists by using the fascia as a partial quarry wall or face. On the other side we can see in Rod Stewart's maximal urban setting the opposite to that minimalism which is being sometimes seen. Urban clutter vs desert/semi-arid leanness?

Me? I'll stick with the approach that will use certain aspects of minimalism and still will lavish detail in areas needed---as my layout begins to take form some details I will display that kind of come close to the realism I'm looking for---- and I'll start putting some meat on to this skeletal musing of mine----

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dfandrews

This could be its own thread.

I think you've hit a central question, one that has been danced around and discussed in various forms:  "How much detail is really needed?"  We can go from painted tape scenery shell all the way to every rivet represented.  (In fact, if I recall correctly, Frank Ellison operated without scenery, and without lead and trailing loco trucks if they interfered with operation.)

There is the school I kind of subscribe to that says to detail the scenes where you and the layout viewer are going to spend the most time (towns, switching areas,..), and then in between put in just enough for a good impression.  I'm thinking of plays that I've seen, where a minimal set in the background gives the impression of place and time, but you don't concentrate on that.  You're enveloped by the action in the foreground. 

Don - CEO, MOW super.

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Cuyama

Mixing your legends

In fact, if I recall correctly, Frank Ellison operated without scenery, and without lead and trailing loco trucks if they interfered with operation

Not exactly. Ellison had scenery. Some of it was quite representational rather than realistic (by today's standards). And you are probably thinking of John Allen, who reportedly once or twice removed trailing or leading trucks if a loco would not perform as he needed it to in operations.

The other-leading-brand has a download of a compilation of Ellison articles with photos here. (I don't think it's a subscriber-only feature on that site, but it may be.)

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kcsphil1

I've seen both ideas manifested

and I have to say I prefer the Soeberg approach to anything else.  What you need, I have settled on, is the right detailing for the right place.  So say you have an indusstrial switching area.  That should be more detailed - including cars, trucks, people, etc, then would a rural whistle stop or station.

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dfandrews

Legends mixing

Yes, Byron, of course you're right.  I did attribute incorrectly.  As to Frank Ellison, I looked back at a article picture that showed his "representational" approach:  it was trackside structures on plywood: no background. 

 I downloaded the compilation of Ellison articles.  There's another great read.  Thanks.

Don - CEO, MOW super.

Rincon Pacific Railroad, 1960.  - Admin.offices in Ventura County

HO scale std. gauge - interchanges with SP; serves the regional agriculture and oil industries

DCC-NCE, Rasp PI 3 connected to CMRI, JMRI -  ABS searchlight signals

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