Old Brass = HO scale SP GS4

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Attached are three photos of my brass HO scale SP GS4. I purchased this locomotive from Paul Jansen in around 1969/1970. I may have ran twice on a test track around that time frame. It has never run since, and has been in storeage. The model was made by United Scale Models of Japan. There is no box. Note, the center drivers have no flanges.

My questions is this locomotive worth a restoration? Such as a new can motor, detailing, and painting? Is there a way of determining it's current value? Or is it best just leave it like it is, a museum piece perhaps?

You thoughts and comments much appreciated.

Rodger Cook

Sherwood OR

 

 

 

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bear creek's picture

How well does it run? Does it

How well does it run? Does it stay on the track? Do the side rods bind? Can the tender be opened up to add a decoder or speaker?

Charlie

 Editor, Model Railroad Hobbyist magazine

jbaakko's picture

In my eye, yes, restore it!

In my eye, yes, restore it! It might take some work, but I think it would be well worth it.
CabForward's picture

How Well Does It Run? Does it

Hello Charlie,

That's my problem. I don't know if it runs, and I need to take some time and take it into a hobby shop and find out (Tammies or Hobby Smith perhaps). I guess the worse thing to happen is when it sits there and makes a loud buzzing sound, and puffs of electrical smoke billow out.

Yes, the tender can be opened (4-screws). 

Rodger

 

Rodger Cook - Sherwood, OR

 

Rio Grande Dan's picture

YES SAVE THAT ENGINE !!!!!

Yes save that engine! The buzzing and smoke is usually caused by the flex tube on the motor armature drying up and becoming stiff and not able to turn the Drivers, Or there is something in the gears stopping the motor from turning. Both will cause the motor to smoke to the point it Burns out the solder and the windings in the motor. If you remove the main Engine Boiler you can easily fix the problem. If your not sure what to do I would take it to the hobby shop and see if there is somebody that can repair or upgrade to DCC with a new motor that's DCC compatible and add a sound Card and speaker to that large tender. If you don't want to mess with it sell it on E-Bay for a couple hundred and use the money for your railroad in another way.

                 Rio Grande Dan

CabForward's picture

YES SAVE THAT ENGINE !!!!

Hello Dan,

Thanks for the suggestions. Like I said in my posting I have not even tried to run the locomotive, mostly due to the fact that I do not have a power pack. It has been many, many years since I have operated my locos. I'm just now getting back into the hobby and trying to understand all of th terms and new stuff that's available. Back to school so to speak.

Cheers,

Rodger

 

Rodger Cook - Sherwood, OR

 

ChrisNH's picture

Not a good time to sell Brass

Now is not a good time to sell brass from what I understand. If you do decide to sell it.. I would recommend holding onto it for a little while longer.. I am not a collector, but from what I have read the brass market is a bit of a slump right now. Chris

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jarhead's picture

Not a Good time to sell Brass

I agree with Chris. The brass market is not as hot as it used to be. One the economy, two the plastic model are so well detailed that fewer and fewer are buying brass. I've always been a big buyer of brass and about 10 years ago I had to sell my brass engines (24 of them). I am glad I sold them when I did. I made a very good profit at that time. I have three left and I tried to sell them and no-go. Now the only ones that buys them are collectors and they know what they are looking for. It depends on the model-type. I suggest for you to keep it.

Nick Biangel 

CabForward's picture

Old Brass = Hang On to It!

Chris and Nick,

I did hear something recently with regard to the value of brass locos being depressed. Perhaps on this site?

I don't think I would ever sell the loco, it has a great deal of good memories relating to it's original owner, and my friend Paul Jansen. Paul passed away back in 1998. There is a nice article on his work in the July 2001 issue of Model Railroader titled "Steam Special".

Cheers,

Rodger

 

 

 

 

Rodger Cook - Sherwood, OR

 

jarhead's picture

Memory

I remember that article, for better reason then, it is a keeper.

Nick Biangel 

GN.2-6-8-0's picture

Looking at the Brown Book I

Looking at the Brown Book I would say if it is a PFM model it had to have been made between 1959-60.as PFM made no GS4s after that date. Definitly worth keeping and upgrading. NWSL should have motors and a gearbox to improve its running qualitys current value is in the $200-$250 range imho.
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