porthos

This is my version of one segment of the "Patch" district in Los Angeles. There are a couple of sources of inspiration for my version. The first came from stumbling across Bob Smaus' website and pictures there of the "brick canyon" alley between 7th Street and Industrial Street running from Alameda to Mateo. Bob talked about Keith Jordan's modeled version of the patch and Keith kindly provided some reference materials for me to use. I wanted something as close as possible to the actual track configuration but as always space is the deciding factor. A key element for me was to recreate the scene of a diminutive CF7 emerging from between the two brick buildings and getting that brick canyon feel.

Construction has not started and won't start until my job situation clears up. Taking a page from Lance Mindheim I'll be using 16" wide hollow core doors as the base resting on adjustable shelf brackets. The main section (two door section) will run along my dining room wall and the peninsula portion will act as a large cassette and will be stored underneath the main portion when not in use. The reason the peninsula section is so wide is so that I can recreate the scene I described above. My biggest concern with this particular section is that the junction between the wall section of the layout. This transition is on a curve so alignment will be critical. I'll make the buildings on the front edge of the layout removable so if it becomes to difficult to switch the industries with the structures in place I can just take them off for that session.

The basic track configuration is pretty faithful from what I can see from pictures and insurance maps, including the curved turnout as the track emerges from between the two buildings on to the cassette. The only thing I added was the pair of turnouts towards the right (north) end to provide a long run around for the track closest to the wall.

I haven't decided on car spots yet. Commonwealth Steel gets two, and the Walnut Exchange gets at least one. Not every building will be rail served. Time frame will be mid to late 70's. Motive power will be provided by two CF7s, the bulk of the freight cars will be boxcars with some reefers added into the mix. There is at least one spot for tank cars at least according to a picture from Bob Smaus' website. I haven't really been able to tracked the location where that particular picture was taken or what might have been delivered in a tank car. I'm also not concerned that this area was in decline during my time period, I'll let my own roster determine the level of rail activity. Five of the principle buildings are still standing; the two buildings that create the curved brick ally, the Walnut Exchange, Phillips Poultry and Commonwealth Steel. Other buildings are also still standing.

My main sources right now are:
Bob Smaus: http://www.bobsgardenpath.com/trains.html
Keith Jordan: http://web.mac.com/ckjordan/The_Patch/Patch_Home.html
Bing Maps: http://www.bing.com/maps/#JnE9LmluZHVzdHJpYWwlMmJzdHJlZXQlMmJhbmQlMmJtaWxsJTJic3RyZWV0JTJibG9zJTJiYW5nZWxlcyUyYmNhJTdlc3N0LjAlN2VwZy4xJmJiPTU0Ljg2OTgxNzUxNDkwNzIlN2UtNjMuOTU2NjA0MDAzNSU3ZTIwLjI5MjM1MDk4ODExNDYlN2UtMTQ1LjYwNjk5NDYyODU= Then click on birds eye view
If that link doesn't work for the bing maps just go to bing or google maps and enter industrial street and mill street los angeles CA and it will take you to the right intersection

Its an interesting area to model and I wouldn't want to be the driving my car while bumping across the five sections of track that cross Mill Street.

Trackwork is Peco code 75. The turnouts are their medium radius which I think are about a #6. Here is the current version of the plan and suggestions are welcome.

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Joe Brugger

Great idea

Looks like an interesting and attainable project. Keep us posted. Regarding a delay because of your job situation -- unless finances are really really critical, I'd suggest getting started on this. [People who know me are now rolling on the floor, doubled up with laughter]   The problem-solving and attention needed by a project like this can do wonders for your personal outlook.

 

 

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Steve_F

Magazine Features.

Hi, I don’t know if you are aware or not but Keith Jordan’s ‘patch’ is featured in Great model Railroads 2012 and was also featured in Model Railroad Planning 2011, just thought you might be interested.

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porthos

Magazine Features

I have the Model Railroad Planning issue and I'll have to pick up the Great Model Railroad 2012. Thanks for thinking of it though.

Kris

It's not denial. I'm very selective about the reality I accept. -- Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural stupidity
We occasionally stumble over the truth but most of pick ourselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. -- Winston Churchhill
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Steve_F

No problem.

No problem, it’s all inspiration and ideas to work off which we can never get enough of.

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Russ Bellinis

A suggestion for the connection at the curved turnout.

I don't think you can get a curved section of track with the correct radius for a joiner track, so I would install 4 brass screws into the door under the rails at the end of the door and at the edge of the main bench work where the curved turnout comes off the main bench.  Solder the rails to the 4 screws, and then cut the rails between the 2 sets of screws.  The screws will hold the rails in alignment if the door section is properly aligned.  I think you can get pin and bushing alignment jigs from Rocklers or other wood working supply companies to provide consistant, correct alignment of the door when you install it into the bench work.  One other thing, when the door is to be stored under the bench work for any extended period of time, get a section of aluminum angle and cut two pieces long enough to cover the rails on both the door and the track at the side of the bench work, and screw them in place to protect the rails at the edge of the bench work.  It only take one bump of those rail ends to break loose the solder and kink the rails.

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porthos

Cassette Transition

That is a great idea! Should work like a charm and I already have some aluminum angle brackets to boot!

Thanks

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Russ Bellinis

One more thing about the aluminum angle.

If you want to run the main part of the layout with the cassette stored, glue or "pop" rivet some styrene to the aluminum angle used on the main layout for an insulator.  That way the aluminum angle won't short out the main lay out but will be there to protect the rails.  If you also glue a piece of styrene angle to the edge of the aluminum at the top over the rails, it will keep loco wheels from shorting if the turnout should accidently get thrown and cause the locomotive to run up against the angle.

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pete lowell

Curved joint alignment

I like the idea of the brass screws. But I think you will have to prebend the curved track to avoid a "kink" at the joint. I had this problem when I was making a crossing where one track was curved. When the track was cut it tried to straighten out until I started over with prebent rails.

 

pete

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Russ Bellinis

I guess I wasn't as clear as I should have been, Pete.

You are not soldering two separate pieces of track to the 4 brass screws.  It is one piece of flex track with ties removed where the screws would be.  You test lay the flex to locate the position of the screws, remove the track, install the screws, install the track with appropriate ties removed and solder the track to the screws while it is still one piece.  After the track is soldered to all four screws, and spiked down as needed, you can then cut the gap for the disconnect.

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porthos

Curved Transition to Cassett

Thanks for clarifying. I had already figured that I should get everything soldered into place before I cut the rails. But it definitely needed to be pointed out for other people that might have the same issue. Again thanks for the advice. I'll probably follow some other advice and go ahead and get started on the layout now rather than waiting for the job situation to clear up. It will give me something to concentrate on.

Kris

It's not denial. I'm very selective about the reality I accept. -- Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural stupidity
We occasionally stumble over the truth but most of pick ourselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. -- Winston Churchhill
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yardplan

ATSF 'Patch' District

Thanks for showing a simplified version/interpretation of the Patch.  A certain broad-circulation magazine carried a more complex version that is a) too much for my skills and budget;b) typically over-tracked, even for an industrial district switching layout.

Oops, I moved two inches, I guess it's time to fill out paperwork, go for a crew meal, change engines and deem myself to be on a combo interchange/RIP track.  Your plan gives blessed room to breathe, gives the eye a chance to behold different buildings (whether flat, semi-flat, or full 3-D), and enjoy the rolling stock.  Soldier on.

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porthos

ATSF "Patch" District

Its hard to take credit for doing anything more than just copying what was actually done. Its really just an LDE and I have enough space to make it work. It is comments like this that get me on board with getting construction started sooner rather than later.

It's not denial. I'm very selective about the reality I accept. -- Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural stupidity
We occasionally stumble over the truth but most of pick ourselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. -- Winston Churchhill
Tardis Express: When it absolutely, positively, has to be there yesterday.
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porthos

Running "The Patch"

This last weekend I found out that my trackplan done with anyrail can be exported as a trainplayer file. I spent a couple of hours running it through its paces and I'm pretty happy with how its working. Trainplayer didn't like the peco three way switch so I had to drop that out to make it work. So I couldn't switch the "Nabisco" siding. The only thing I discovered that I might mess around with is the tracks at the far right end could stand to be a bit longer, so I'm thinking of sliding turnouts to the right a bit to get some extra room at that end of the layout.

There are some interesting spots to stash cars around the layout that are not readily apparent until you actually begin switching. I started with 7 cars spotted on the layout and brought in 7 more to be spotted. All told it took about an hour to switch things around and pull out 7 empties. I'm thinking that the switching 10 in and 10 out would be about the maximum and that would be overloading the staging tracks on the cassette which can only really handle 6 and 7 cars.

So far so good!

It's not denial. I'm very selective about the reality I accept. -- Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural stupidity
We occasionally stumble over the truth but most of pick ourselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. -- Winston Churchhill
Tardis Express: When it absolutely, positively, has to be there yesterday.
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Russ Bellinis

Sounds good.

Having driven around that area a lot when I used to work in that part of the city, I doubt if the Santa Fe ran trains much longer than 6 or 7 cars through those industries.  Even today, you will see long trains running through the city and snaking through alleys on the mainlines, but industrial switching districts will seldom if ever see a long train.

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