rrinker

 And I realize it's going to be hard to get any with only vague ideas. I think part of the problem is I am reluctant to build anything because I know it will not be around long and I WILL be tearing it down. At the same time, sittign at the bench buildign models for that day in the future when I can build a decent layout isn't going to cut it either - I like to run trains.

 Here's the basics: I live in an apartment. I have 3 space options (and to date I have constructed benchwork for the 2x8 option): 2x8', 2x12' or L shaped approximately 8x12'. The 2' width comes from my liking to build identical sections for possible reuse. And with 2' wide sections there are no reach issues for me. To fit in my space, I can;t really go wider, but narrower would be fine.

 I've kicked around a couple of plans so far. One was provided by Byron, a slightly modified version of Jonathon Jones's layout that appeared in MR. The other would fill the 8x12 L shaped space, and includes 'sort of' elements of what I intend to model when I have room for the 'big one' - a specific branch of the Reading. That plan is basically a single track main line with a 3 track yard on the inside of the curve plus 4 tracks serving a cement plant that was in the area. While it's posisble that plan could be reused in the future, I played around a bit running trains on it in simulation mode (I used 3rd Plan-It) and there just didn't seem to be much operating variety. I've also realized that I really don't care if what I build now can be reused or if I'd have to scrape it all clean and just reuse the benchwork. Or perhaps I do but won't admit it - see my first paragraph.

 I've been looking at sites with small switching layouts, and nothing really jumps out at me.  One that looked interesting is plan 51, Chicago Inner Belt Line in 101 Track Plans, but that's basically just 2 yards on the long leg with a couple of industry spots on the short leg.

 I managed to come up with a workable plan to fill my old basement, but I realize most of what I put on that plan was to satisfy the operating desires of others, not me. It got to the point where the final version of that plan included a completely freelanced version of the branch I now want to model running down the middle of the room jsut so I would have some place to run a local with plenty of setouts and pickups. Now I have no one to answer to but myself, and it's actually harder.

 I'm actually starting to think a reversed version of a layout I built years ago might be the answer. In that space, facing the corner of the room, the short leg of the L was on my right and the long leg on the left. The space I have now is just the opposite.  That layout back then was a combination of the Apple Creek Junction on the short leg and Switchman's Nightmare on the long leg. That was another apartment railroad I build with standard metal shelf brackets. All only a foot wide, now I have twice the width. Perhaps a proper A/D track or two on Switchman's Nightmare and make a real yard out of it? 

 Oh yes - critical details - HO scale.. Mid 50's, 4 axle road switchers and switchers, 40' cars mostly, lots of 55 ton hoppers. 24" seems a reasonable minimum mainline radius, perhaps down to 22" on sidings.

                                                      --Randy

 

Randy Rinker

Modeling the Reading Railroad in the 1950's

http://www.readingeastpenn.com

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jarhead

HOGG RR

Randy,

I think you might have a perfect place for a HOGG RR Plan. Go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HOGRR/

You might be able to do the whole layout or portion of it. It is a very simple but operative layout. You do not need to join the group to see the plans. It is right there on the cover of the group.

 

 

Nick Biangel 

USMC

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ratled

Look at the L shape....

David Barrow did a nice 4 part article in MR back in the mid to late 90's on an east Texas module layout that fits this bill.   It was basically two 18"  wide by 8' sections in an L.   He also set up some staging on it.   He used flats for the buildings to save space. It seamed to have some real good operational potential.  If I had to have an L self layout or even a 4 x 8 I would give this a good long look.    I’ll see if I can find the issue later if it’s something your interested in.

Steve
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jeffshultz

Think Modules.

I don't mean any particular modular standard, but instead easily detachable and movable sections.

I moved my 2x8 apartment layout intact to my new house where it was the starting point or a layout that now has consumed my garage...  

Proper planning means you get to keep the layout....

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Jeff Shultz - MRH Technical Assistant
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Modeling a fictional GWI shortline combining three separate areas into one freelance-ish railroad.

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Cuyama

You can't have everything, where would you put it?

The subject line is my favorite Steven Wright quote. Randy, any of these small layout configurations is going to have fewer operating possibilities than a well-designed room-filling layout. A small yard, some sort of interchange/staging, and some industries is about what you can expect in this space in HO. You may be looking for a "holy grail" that does not exist, IMHO. There are many ways to add interest to a small layout with "sure spots", seasonality, and shifts.

Byron
Model RR Blog

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rrinker

 I don't think that's it. I'm

I don't think that's it. I'm now trying to see if I can fit any usable yard on the short leg, leaving the long leg for one of the nicer switching layouts like the modified Jonathon Jones layout. That way I can block trains in the yard and then bring them to the industrial area and work the sidings. Either that or a variation of the last plan Stein drew for me witht he yard entirely on the short leg and leaving in the cement spurs plus adding additional switch sites on the long leg.

What I think really happened was the Steven Wright syndrom, but way back in the beginning. I had looked on the space and considered what I had done in 8x12 previously, and then discovered that hey, the prototype had a cement plant right there, and there was even a book available that had pictures of it - which I went out and bought. And then realized that even with a LOT of compression it just wouldn't fit in the space available, not and have anything but the in-plant trackage. And even compressing it right into backdrop flats, the number of tracks for a super-simplified version also takes up an awful lot of space. Wrong choice of industry. Plus I'd have to try and find a Walthers Valley Cement to replace the unbuilt one I used to have - and I haven't even seen any on eBay lately. I have a tendency to get stuck on an idea once I get one, and letting go of the cement plant and building nearly what actually was there is just out of the question and I have to move on. The cement plant can go in when I have a basement to fill with layout. It's really not in how complicated the switching area is - on my web site I have a track plan I drew for a simple 4x8 test layout, which is what I was goign to build while workign on the previous basement-size plan, but ended up enlarging it to 8x12 to run 30+" radius curves for long equipment. Running the 3D mode in 3rd Plan It with that simple 4x8 I kept busy for an hour switching cars.

--Randy

Randy Rinker

Modeling the Reading Railroad in the 1950's

http://www.readingeastpenn.com

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